Another look at the moon landing.

Strong in Him · 2025-08-10T02:10:05-0500

Apple Sky said:
Bill Kaysing

He argued that one did not need an engineering or science degree to determine that a hoax was being perpetrated.

Who cares what he argued; he's wrong.

Apple Sky said:
NASA lacked the technical expertise to put a man on the Moon.[citation needed]

the absence of stars in lunar surface photographs was indicative of a hoax.[5]

there were unexplained optical anomalies in the photographs taken on the Moon.[6]

there was an absence of blast craters beneath the Lunar Modules, and that the rocket engines of the Lunar Modules should have generated an enormous dust cloud near their landing sites during the final seconds of descent.[7]

the death of Thomas Baron, a quality control and safety inspector for North American Aviation, was mysterious and indicative of a hoax.[citation needed]

a) you have said that NASA are all liars, so what does it matter to you what expertise they had? And the fact that this says "citation needed", shows that it is from Wikipedia and that it needs a reference/evidence to back up the claim. Clearly no one can confirm that statement.
b) c) and d) - I don't know enough to say one way or the other. But here's the thing - I don't think you do wither; you are just repeating what another moon landing unbeliever has posted.
e) Even if his death was "mysterious" that is no reason to suggest that the whole thing was a hoax. Why would it? There are plenty of deaths where doctors have been unable to find the exact cause - means nothing. And again, Wikipedia have asked for a citation; another article, or reference, to confirm this "truth".

Apple Sky said:
He also noted that Dutch newspapers questioned the "authenticity" of the Moon landings.

Big deal.
I question the intelligence of those who believe conspiracy theories - I'm quite sure you would disagree with that.

Actually, I'm not going to answer the rest of it.
You have made it clear that you don't believe the eye witness testimonies of astronauts who went to, and walked on, the moon. Even though some of these were/are Christians - God's children and disciples. Yet you expect us to believe you fellow flat earth believers and conspiracy theorists, some of whom have been proved to be wrong.
You have shown that you don't know how to read Scripture correctly, and have sometimes argued over individual words - then you read, and quote from, books that aren't even in the Bible.

So - who cares what "proof" you think you have?

Apple Sky · 2025-08-10T02:48:36-0500

Strong in Him said:
So - who cares what "proof" you think you have?

Same here.

Strong in Him said:
Who cares what he argued; he's wrong.

Is he ? How

Strong in Him said:
I question the intelligence of those who believe conspiracy theories - I'm quite sure you would disagree with that.

I don't care one way or the other what you think, why should I ? It makes no odds to me.

Strong in Him · 2025-08-10T03:41:19-0500

Apple Sky said:
I don't care one way or the other what you think, why should I ? It makes no odds to me.

So it is "your mission" to spread the word about our, supposedly, Flat Earth - but you don't care if you have no credibility, you don't care what we think and you don't care if there is evidence which proves that your beliefs are wrong and that you're promoting untruths?
You also dismiss any eyewitness testimonies, accuse God's children of lying and have mocked God himself by saying, publicly, that you would ask for his help in believing a globe earth, then going back on your word and laughing at anyone who believes in a globe earth.

You're failing in your mission, but you've got enough problems trying to explain to God why you think his disciples are liars.

Apple Sky · 2025-08-10T04:11:32-0500

Strong in Him said:
but you don't care if you have no credibility, you don't care what we think and you don't care if there is evidence which proves that your beliefs are wrong and that you're promoting untruths?

This is not what I said, this is what you are saying.

prodromos · 2025-08-10T04:16:29-0500

Apple Sky said:
This is not what I said, this is what you are saying.

It is the logical conclusion of what you said.

tharkun73 · 2025-08-10T05:27:17-0500

Apple Sky said:
Bill Kaysing

He argued that one did not need an engineering or science degree to determine that a hoax was being perpetrated.

NASA lacked the technical expertise to put a man on the Moon.[citation needed]

the absence of stars in lunar surface photographs was indicative of a hoax.[5]

there were unexplained optical anomalies in the photographs taken on the Moon.[6]

there was an absence of blast craters beneath the Lunar Modules, and that the rocket engines of the Lunar Modules should have generated an enormous dust cloud near their landing sites during the final seconds of descent.[7]

the death of Thomas Baron, a quality control and safety inspector for North American Aviation, was mysterious and indicative of a hoax.[citation needed]

He also noted that Dutch newspapers questioned the "authenticity" of the Moon landings.

Even after 55 years of grand human endeavour, to date, there are hundreds of pages and websites dedicated to reinforcing this idea that man has never stepped on the Moon. All can be traced back to Kaysing’s 1976 book, We Never Went to the Moon: America’s Thirty Billion Dollar Swindle.

The CIA made 3 attempts on Kaysing's life.

Kaysing served as an officer in the US Navy during World War II, having attended Navy Officers Training School. In his book, Kaysing introduced arguments, that he believed, proved the Moon landings were faked.

Why did you leave this part out of your cut-copy-paste from Wikipedia?

Fake Tribute website and Flat Earth misappropriation

In the years following Kaysing’s death, Italian conspiracist writer Albino Galuppini created the Bill Kaysing Tribute Website. This website was described as being “designed to pay tribute to a distinguished writer who lived his ideals and spoke his mind honestly and openly” and contained many personal photos provided by Kaysing’s relatives and tributes written by his followers. Including Bart Sibrel, David Percy and Jarrah White.

But from 2013 onward, Galuppini started publishing blog articles propagating false claims about the Earth being flat and all space travel being faked. Many of these articles misappropriated Kaysing’s moon hoax views to promote Galuppini’s Flat Earth claims. Despite Kaysing specifically theorizing that the astronauts orbited the Earth instead of going to the Moon, Galuppini falsely claimed that Kaysing denied any rocket could travel fast enough to get into orbit. This led to Kaysing’s relatives and followers publicly withdrawing their endorsement from the Bill Kaysing Tribute Website, severing their ties with Galuppini, and no longer allowing him permission to use their content.

Wendy Kaysing stated "I cannot imagine my father ever saying that we could not do space travel. That’s ludicrous! That’s ridiculous! […] Anybody who says that about my father is just trying to discredit my father’s ability to even think" and requested that Galuppini cease and desist the “sale of books, articles, or publication of websites, blogs or public messages” that use her father’s work. But Galuppini ignored her demands and continued the public façade of being a trusted friend of Kaysing’s family and supporters.[17][18] Jarrah White, a former contributor to the website, stated that Kaysing's legacy had essentially been "hijacked" and spoke harshly of Galuppini's Flat Earth nonsense and misappropriation in Popular Mechanics: "If you think the Earth is flat, then I don't consider you a serious researcher. I think you are a kindergarten dropout. Serious hoax researchers, they base their evidence on scientific and photographic anomalies and go where the evidence takes them. Flat-Earthers preemptively deny space travel in general because any photos of the Earth from space contradict their religion."[19]

tharkun73 · 2025-08-10T05:32:29-0500

Apple Sky said:
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That's Buzz Aldrin coming out of the LM not Neil Armstrong. This has been debunked numerous times.

tharkun73 · 2025-08-10T05:41:26-0500

Apple Sky said:
NASA lacked the technical expertise to put a man on the Moon.[citation needed]

the absence of stars in lunar surface photographs was indicative of a hoax.[5]

there were unexplained optical anomalies in the photographs taken on the Moon.[6]

there was an absence of blast craters beneath the Lunar Modules, and that the rocket engines of the Lunar Modules should have generated an enormous dust cloud near their landing sites during the final seconds of descent.[7]

the death of Thomas Baron, a quality control and safety inspector for North American Aviation, was mysterious and indicative of a hoax.[citation needed]

He also noted that Dutch newspapers questioned the "authenticity" of the Moon landings.

Kaysing served as an officer in the US Navy during World War II, having attended Navy Officers Training School. In his book, Kaysing introduced arguments, that he believed, proved the Moon landings were faked.

1) CItation needed - i.e. actual evidence to support such a claim. How would a Navy OTS without any apparent engineering education come to such a conclusion? This is one man's conjecture with nothing to back it up.
2) Debunked many times. Demonstrates complete misunderstanding of how photography works.
3) Debunked many times. No examples/evidence given of anomalies
4) Debunked many times. Watch the Apollo 11 landing, you can see the dust being kicked up in the final seconds.
5) Citation needed - i.e. actual evidence to support such a claim.

tharkun73 · 2025-08-10T05:54:34-0500

<--- Waiting for the goalposts to be moved again.

Apple Sky · 2025-08-10T06:18:22-0500

tharkun73 said:
Why did you leave this part out of your cut-copy-paste from Wikipedia?

Fake Tribute website and Flat Earth misappropriation
In the years following Kaysing’s death, Italian conspiracist writer Albino Galuppini created the Bill Kaysing Tribute Website. This website was described as being “designed to pay tribute to a distinguished writer who lived his ideals and spoke his mind honestly and openly” and contained many personal photos provided by Kaysing’s relatives and tributes written by his followers. Including Bart Sibrel, David Percy and Jarrah White.

Because Bart Sibral has already been covered.

tharkun73 said:
But from 2013 onward, Galuppini started publishing blog articles propagating false claims about the Earth being flat and all space travel being faked. Many of these articles misappropriated Kaysing’s moon hoax views to promote Galuppini’s Flat Earth claims. Despite Kaysing specifically theorizing that the astronauts orbited the Earth instead of going to the Moon, Galuppini falsely claimed that Kaysing denied any rocket could travel fast enough to get into orbit. This led to Kaysing’s relatives and followers publicly withdrawing their endorsement from the Bill Kaysing Tribute Website, severing their ties with Galuppini, and no longer allowing him permission to use their content.

Wendy Kaysing stated "I cannot imagine my father ever saying that we could not do space travel. That’s ludicrous! That’s ridiculous! […] Anybody who says that about my father is just trying to discredit my father’s ability to even think" and requested that Galuppini cease and desist the “sale of books, articles, or publication of websites, blogs or public messages” that use her father’s work. But Galuppini ignored her demands and continued the public façade of being a trusted friend of Kaysing’s family and supporters.[17][18] Jarrah White, a former contributor to the website, stated that Kaysing's legacy had essentially been "hijacked" and spoke harshly of Galuppini's Flat Earth nonsense and misappropriation in Popular Mechanics: "If you think the Earth is flat, then I don't consider you a serious researcher. I think you are a kindergarten dropout. Serious hoax researchers, they base their evidence on scientific and photographic anomalies and go where the evidence takes them. Flat-Earthers preemptively deny space travel in general because any photos of the Earth from space contradict their religion."[19]

Because flat earth has nothing to do with this thread.

tharkun73 · 2025-08-10T06:21:00-0500

Rather because it undercuts your stated belief.

Strong in Him · 2025-08-10T06:36:21-0500

Apple Sky said:
This is not what I said,

Yes, it is.
When I said that you had lost all credibility when you publicly said sorry to God for doubting the moon landings, and you are now doubting the moon landings, you replied, "am I bothered?"
And when I said that I question the intelligence of those who believe conspiracy theories, you said;

Apple Sky said:
I don't care one way or the other what you think, why should I ? It makes no odds to me.

So, you DON'T care that you have lost all credibility, nor what others think about you believing in conspiracy theories.

Apple Sky · 2025-08-10T08:14:25-0500

Strong in Him said:
Yes, it is.
When I said that you had lost all credibility when you publicly said sorry to God for doubting the moon landings, and you are now doubting the moon landings, you replied, "am I bothered?"
And when I said that I question the intelligence of those who believe conspiracy theories, you said;

So, you DON'T care that you have lost all credibility, nor what others think about you believing in conspiracy theories.

Anyway enough said about me, shall we get back on topic ?

tharkun73 · 2025-08-10T08:15:53-0500

Sure, when are you going to post real evidence that the moon landing was a hoax? Real, scientific evidence based on math, engineering, physics, etc.

Hentenza · 2025-08-10T08:19:57-0500

Apple Sky said:
What pictures & videos might these be ?

The ones from your conspiracy theory best friends

Apple Sky said:
Yes;

and that is full ignorance. Once again, the evidence is overwhelming.

Apple Sky said:
There's that number 6 again.

View attachment 368333

Earth curvature= .0144 degrees Not even close.
Earth rotational speed- 1037 mph and earth orbital speed 67,000 mph. Not even close.
Earth axial tilt= 23.5 degrees your math is wrong
Tropic of Capricorn= 23.4394 degrees your math is wrong.
Tropic of cancer= 23.4394 your math is wrong.

Nothing to see here. You still did not address my post about debris left on the moon by the astronauts that landed there.

Hentenza · 2025-08-10T08:21:31-0500

Apple Sky said:
Bill Kaysing

Oh look. Your hero.

Strong in Him · 2025-08-10T09:17:10-0500

Apple Sky said:
Anyway enough said about me, shall we get back on topic ?

Well it is sort of on topic.
You are insisting that the moon landings are fake - but you have been found not to have any credibility. I.e. we can't trust what you say; i.e. when you say they're fake, they must be true.

It's all about having reliable witnesses. The astronauts who walked on the moon are reliable, the Christian astronauts - especially those who now teach about Jesus - are especially reliable. You, who weren't there, aren't.

Strong in Him · 2025-08-10T09:33:47-0500

Apple Sky said:
Because flat earth has nothing to do with this thread.

Of course it does.
Accept the moon landings happened means you accept the photos that they took were also real - photographs which show a globe earth.
Deny the moon landings happen and that gives you a reason not to accept the photographs - they are fake like everything else.

The photographic evidence of the shape of the earth was provided by those who saw it from space and captured it on film.

Apple Sky · 2025-08-10T12:02:24-0500

Hentenza said:
Oh look. Your hero.

Who Bill Kaysing ? No the guys on here will tell you 'you are mistaken' as the guys on here tell me all the time 'it's Dean Odle'

Apple Sky · 2025-08-10T12:16:19-0500

Strong in Him said:
Of course it does.

Strong in Him said:
Well it is sort of on topic.

Flat earth is a related subject but it has nothing to with the moon landings & this thread, so lets not B♭ on here.

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