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Jesus Will Be Here, One Taken, and One Left

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Jesus will be here soon. It says so in the Bible. Jesus himself says so in Revelation 22:7. But as it says in Matthew 24:36, “But concerning that day and hour [that Jesus will be here,] no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.” The best thing to do is to be at your best when he shows up. He may show up tomorrow, next week, next month, next year, next decade, century or millennium, nobody knows.

There’s no taking for granted he will appear when a particular person is alive. That person may be settled in his grave or in God’s Kingdom before Jesus appears. But as it says in Matthew 24:40-41, “...two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left. Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left” when Jesus appears. The one who is taken is one who would have passed away before Jesus arrives, and the other one is someone who is around when Jesus appears. Two men who worked in the field, and two women grinding at the mill before one of each is taken.

That suggests that the ones who are left would be going about their business when, Surprise! Jesus appears. But the reality is there are billions of such people, some will have been “taken” and some who will be “left.” Not all may be in the same place as where he arrives, but word would get around in any event. But to simplify things, keeping it to two of each, what type of man in the field, so to speak, will Jesus come across? Will he come across a man who’s been living a moral life, and who asks for forgiveness when he invariably sins, or will he come across a man who just the other day spent his time off attending a hate rally against a hated group of his choice on a wholesale basis? And what of the woman who is grinding in the mill? Will she likewise be living a moral life and asking for forgiveness when she sins, or will he come across a woman who just the other day, as an elected official, would be more than happy to refer to all migrants to her country as “monsters?” Makes no difference to her, if she can get their vote. She may refer to herself as a Christian, but recall in Matthew 2:14-15 that when Jesus was under threat of being slain by King Herod, Joseph took him and Mary to Egypt and stayed there until many years later when it was safe to return to their country upon Herod’s death. Did anyone in Egypt refer to that family as ‘monsters’?

Or go further back to when Joseph found himself in Egypt and was brought to the attention of the Pharoah in Egypt at the time, did the Pharoah say ‘Get this “monster” out of here’? Alright, so the Pharoah after him wasn’t so kind to the Hebrews, and perhaps if he had his way, a big, beautiful wall would have been built around Egypt, preventing outsiders from coming in. But given that the Bible was written based of faith, it is difficult to read into the happenings in the Bible as one would any historical event that is found in secular history books. So let’s go closer to the present…the U.S. could have said ‘keep those monsters out,’ referring to the waves of immigrants in the 19th and 20th centuries who were being processed at Ellis Island. But it didn’t, did it? Perhaps at the time, there were enough people who were level-headed enough to know that not everyone, IF anyone, who landed on America’s shores, were ‘monsters’.

So what if Jesus appears and he sees a ‘monster’-hater working in the field, or grinding in a mill? Would he take them up? Seems unlikely if they fail Jesus’ test set forth in Matthew 25:31-46. What would they say if Jesus says, ‘Take these to the Lake of Fire’? would they say ‘Had we known you were coming, we would have changed for your benefit’? Seems unlikely they would get a second chance, particularly when you consider the Parable of the Rich Fool, when God says to the Rich Fool who was planning his future, ‘Fool, your time has come NOW for judgement!’

As it implies in Matthew 24:44, you must be ready come day or night, for you won’t know when Jesus will appear. How many people now, who when faced with hordes of needy people and who are hell-bent to turning them away, will end up being turned away themselves by Jesus if he should hear what they say about the needy, and see how they treat the needy? Who is the real ‘monster’ here?
 
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Jesus Will Be Here, One Taken, and One Left

Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

These verses may not have to do with a rapture or final judgement of the world. This may refer to a purging of Israel in the tribulation.
 
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you must be ready come day or night,
"In that day," Jesus says in Luke 17:31-36; and then He says "in that night", in Luke 17:31-36.

So, from this I see how in a worldwide harvest, there will be people being harvested in the night while others on another side of the world will be harvested in daylight; plus there will be ones in areas changing between night and day. So, this might be a problem for the "flat-earth" idea, if there can be night and day at the same time when Jesus returns.

The harvest won't be only of ones out working, but ones in bed.

The best thing to do is to be at your best when he shows up. He may show up tomorrow, next week, next month, next year, next decade, century or millennium, nobody knows.
Our Father knows, and I understand He has His exact plan with His timing. And He will have His bride church ready for Jesus.

So, what is "at your best"? What has a person "ready" for Jesus? Jesus does say, "be ready" (in Matthew 24:44).
 
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So, what is "at your best"? What has a person "ready" for Jesus?
You say >
Will he come across a man who’s been living a moral life, and who asks for forgiveness when he invariably sins, or will he come across a man who just the other day spent his time off attending a hate rally against a hated group of his choice on a wholesale basis? And what of the woman who is grinding in the mill? Will she likewise be living a moral life and asking for forgiveness when she sins, or will he come across a woman who just the other day, as an elected official, would be more than happy to refer to all migrants to her country as “monsters?”
Yes, how we have been loving will be so important. And Jesus does say >

"if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" (in Matthew 5:46)

So, we need to love migrants and also love whoever any "monsters" may be.

This works in God's love >

"Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17)

By being perfected in God's love, I understand from this scripture, this makes us "that we may have boldness in the day of judgment".

We need to become "as He is" "in this world" > Jesus came for everyone. And Jesus is so superior and better than all of us are. But Jesus is not at all conceited, but so humble that He left Heaven itself in order to come to us and reach us and save us and share all God's own good with us as His adopted family. So, if we are going to talk about loving migrants and immigrants . . . Jesus has us sharing in our Father's family caring and sharing way . . . not only making humanitarian gestures. But Jesus loves us personally and shares personally with us, and He has us following this His example.

Because being ready means as His family, not just a bunch of individuals making our own selves some way. But we share together and help one another to be ready.
 
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The disciples asked a peculiar question when Jesus spoke of those "taken."

Luke 17:34
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

They wanted to know where the taken ones were going, that is, where they were "taken."

Luke 17:34-37 KJV
37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

The word eagles should be translated as " vultures."
The bodies of those taken will be taken in death, and the fowl will devour their bodies.
These verses have nothing to do with the resurrection. It is the exact opposite. Many scholars and students believe this has to do with the death of those who will die in the sudden invasion of Israel.

The same language is used regarding the great flood. The people "taken" were not saved by the ark; they were taken to their deaths in the flood.

Matthew 24:39-40 KJV
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.


You do not want to be among those "taken" in that day,
 
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The disciples asked a peculiar question when Jesus spoke of those "taken."

Luke 17:34
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

They wanted to know where the taken ones were going, that is, where they were "taken."

Luke 17:34-37 KJV
37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

The word eagles should be translated as " vultures."
The bodies of those taken will be taken in death, and the fowl will devour their bodies.
These verses have nothing to do with the resurrection. It is the exact opposite. Many scholars and students believe this has to do with the death of those who will die in the sudden invasion of Israel.

The same language is used regarding the great flood. The people "taken" were not saved by the ark; they were taken to their deaths in the flood.

Matthew 24:39-40 KJV
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.


You do not want to be among those "taken" in that day,
Dear SavedByGrace3,

In Luke 17 and Mat 24, Christ is teaching about the spiritual events that happen to His Elect as they travel to their moment of salvation/conversion. This moment of conversion occurs when the "ends of the ages" come upon an Elect person.

1Cor 10:11 Now all these things happened to them as types, and have been written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages are come.

Conversion requires Christ to give a person both the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit, followed by His judgment (the Day of the Lord). In Mat 24:37-41, Christ is describing the judgment portion of an Elect person's conversion process.

You are right to say that the one who is "taken" is not the one who is saved. The one who is taken is the child of the Devil who has been condemned to death by the law. The one who is left is the newly born child of God.

This verse applies:

John 3:18 He (the child of God) that believeth on him is not condemned: but he (the child of the Devil) that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

All mankind has sinned and is "condemned already". Nothing can change that truth. All mankind is headed to destruction in the Lake of Fire (a symbol for judgment). But because the Father loves mankind, He sent Christ to be mankind's Savior.

1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

To save mankind, Christ will freely give each person a new birth prior to their destruction in the Lake of Fire. In this age, Christ is only saving those who have been chosen from the foundation of the world for an early salvation. They will be the first-fruits of Christ's harvest of mankind. They are called the Elect, the Heirs, the Bride, the Saints, etc.

Here is how Mat 24:37-41 should be understood. My comments are in blue.

Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood (judgment) they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark (Christ), 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away (child of the Devil); so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field (one believer); the one shall be taken (child of the Devil), and the other left (child of God). 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill (one believer); the one shall be taken (Great Harlot/marred spirit with a carnal nature), and the other left (new spirit with a divine spiritual nature).

Christ's New Covenant teachings are spiritual teachings which apply "within" a person. When a person applies His teachings out into the world (like is common with most end-time teachings), the truth of what Christ is teaching will remain veiled.

I am curious about the statement under your member name that says "Jesus is Lord of all! (Not asking permission)". What do you mean by that statement?

Joe
 
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