Christian group blasts Church in Wales’ defiance of biblical doctrine with lesbian archbishop

What does the Church believe?​

• that God is active and personal, a Father who cares for his creation, and for every human being as his beloved child;
• that God is as he has revealed himself to be in the historical person of Jesus Christ, and
• that through the life, death and resurrection of this one person, God has proclaimed his love for the world, and opened a way, accessible through our response of faith, by which his love and life may be poured into our lives.
• That God is at work in the world today as Spirit, inspiring faith, justice and truth.
• We believe that God has called all who respond to him to be his people, and to work together to act as ambassadors for his work of healing in the world.

d taylor said:

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Well what is more bothering is on their website (The Church in Wales - The Church in Wales ), they do not have a clear message on how to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life.

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d taylor said:

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Well what is more bothering is on their website (The Church in Wales - The Church in Wales ), they do not have a clear message on how to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life. Also the use of the historical person of Jesus Christ,. Not sure the need to speak about Jesus this way, in a historical sense. The Bible witness should be all that is needed. Nothing about believing in Jesus for Eternal Life.

What does the Church believe?​

The Church in Wales believes and proclaims the Good News of Jesus Christ, namely:

• that God is active and personal, a Father who cares for his creation, and for every human being as his beloved child;
• that God is as he has revealed himself to be in the historical person of Jesus Christ, and
• that through the life, death and resurrection of this one person, God has proclaimed his love for the world, and opened a way, accessible through our response of faith, by which his love and life may be poured into our lives.
• That God is at work in the world today as Spirit, inspiring faith, justice and truth.
• We believe that God has called all who respond to him to be his people, and to work together to act as ambassadors for his work of healing in the world.

This is Good News, because it encourages each one of us to realise that God loves us, that he has gone out of his way to meet us in the person of his Son, in whom he accepts us as we are. He asks us to draw on his strength to live life to the full, and to bring healing to the world. We invite you to join with us in sharing this Good News.

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d taylor said:

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Well what is more bothering is on their website (The Church in Wales - The Church in Wales ), they do not have a clear message on how to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life. Also the use of the historical person of Jesus Christ,. Not sure the need to speak about Jesus this way, in a historical sense. The Bible witness should be all that is needed. Nothing about believing in Jesus for Eternal Life.

What does the Church believe?​

The Church in Wales believes and proclaims the Good News of Jesus Christ, namely:

• that God is active and personal, a Father who cares for his creation, and for every human being as his beloved child;
• that God is as he has revealed himself to be in the historical person of Jesus Christ, and
• that through the life, death and resurrection of this one person, God has proclaimed his love for the world, and opened a way, accessible through our response of faith, by which his love and life may be poured into our lives.
• That God is at work in the world today as Spirit, inspiring faith, justice and truth.
• We believe that God has called all who respond to him to be his people, and to work together to act as ambassadors for his work of healing in the world.

This is Good News, because it encourages each one of us to realise that God loves us, that he has gone out of his way to meet us in the person of his Son, in whom he accepts us as we are. He asks us to draw on his strength to live life to the full, and to bring healing to the world. We invite you to join with us in sharing this Good News.

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Michie said:

Watch the moment that the Cherry Elizabeth Vann, a lesbian, has been named the 15th Archbishop of Wales. She will continue to serve as the bishop of Monmouth, and will be enthroned in Newport Cathedral later this year. | Screengrab/ChurchinWales/Instagram

The Church in Wales has named a new Archbishop who is openly in a same-sex relationship, drawing sharp criticism from the rights group Christian Concern. The appointment has ignited a debate over the Anglican denomination’s commitment to traditional biblical teachings.

The Rt. Rev. Cherry Vann, 66, the bishop of Monmouth, was elected as the 15th archbishop of Wales, becoming the first woman and first lesbian to hold the post. She was chosen by an electoral college composed of clergy and lay members after two days of deliberations at St. Pierre church near Chepstow, accordingto The Telegraph.

Her biography on the Church in Wales' website states that she lives with her civil partner, Wendy, along with their two dogs.

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Christian group blasts Church in Wales’ defiance of biblical doctrine with lesbian archbishop

The Church in Wales has named a new Archbishop who is openly in a same-sex relationship, drawing sharp criticism from the rights group Christian Concern The appointment has ignited a debate over the

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“Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way, the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.”​

Romans 1:26-27​

rebornfree said:

Thanks for the info! It's woolly isn't it? Yes, God loves us but we need to respond in repentance and faith in the Lord's death in our place. I think that is when we become a child of God. There is nothing there about the sinfulness of man and Jesus's atoning work on the cross.

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• that through the life, death and resurrection of this one person, God has proclaimed his love for the world, and opened a way, accessible through our response of faith, by which his love and life may be poured into our lives.

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FireDragon76 said:

Anglicans don't view salvation working in that way, generall. Salvation is a covenant relationship, not a one-time decision.

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rebornfree said:

Thanks for the info! It's woolly isn't it? Yes, God loves us but we need to respond in repentance and faith in the Lord's death in our place. I think that is when we become a child of God. There is nothing there about the sinfulness of man and Jesus's atoning work on the cross.

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stevevw said:

What you will find is once one teaching is compromised this leads to other compromises. Partly because all the verses that relate to this being wrong also have to be reinterpreted to not cause any conflict.

But also because the rational for allowing such conflicting teachings also means allowing relativism into how we interpret scriptures. Which is really secular ideological thinking that there is no ultimate truth in a postmodernist culture.

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Yes is is the forming God to their beliefs and not seeking out God and God's ways.

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d taylor said:

Belief/faith is being convinced something is true. It the context of The Bible, belief is believing God's promise. That anyone who believes in Jesus for God;s free gift of Eternal Life. Receives at the very moment of belief in Jesus, the permanent Life of God, everlasting life.

So if these Anglicans (or anyone) want God's free gift of Eternal Life, they must follow God's command to believe in Jesus for Eternal Life. Otherwise they will remain a person who may love God with all their heart. But will go into eternity without the Life of God and be permanently separated from God after they are found to not be in the book of life.

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PloverWing said:

The Anglican tradition, as I have experienced it, tends to focus on the work of Christ, rather than on the correctness of our belief. Certainly, it is good and important to believe what is true and do what is good. But if you really pin us down and ask "When were you saved?", you're likely to get an answer like "When I was baptized" or even "When Jesus Christ died." Or, possibly, "Jesus is saving me every day, day after day."

(To anticipate the possible objection of baptism being a work: note that in our tradition, baptism isn't seen so much as something we do, but rather as something that God does for us, using water as the means through which to act.)

To what extent we're saved by the work of Christ, and to what extent we're saved by our own state of belief, I'll leave to the theologians to hash out. The universal church doesn't seem to have settled on one definitive answer. I note, for example, that the Apostles' and Nicene Creeds emphasize the work of Christ, but, by contrast, the Quicunque Vult says that a correct understanding of the doctrine of the Trinity (yikes!) is required.

I should note further that the Anglican tradition allows for a range of theological beliefs, especially on issues that were not settled by the early Ecumenical Councils. Our members include Evangelicals, Reformed theologians, Anglo-Catholics, universalists, supporters of Abelard's theory, and others. You would fit pretty well with the Evangelical Anglicans on this.

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PloverWing said:

The Anglican tradition, as I have experienced it, tends to focus on the work of Christ, rather than on the correctness of our belief. Certainly, it is good and important to believe what is true and do what is good. But if you really pin us down and ask "When were you saved?", you're likely to get an answer like "When I was baptized" or even "When Jesus Christ died." Or, possibly, "Jesus is saving me every day, day after day."

(To anticipate the possible objection of baptism being a work: note that in our tradition, baptism isn't seen so much as something we do, but rather as something that God does for us, using water as the means through which to act.)

To what extent we're saved by the work of Christ, and to what extent we're saved by our own state of belief, I'll leave to the theologians to hash out. The universal church doesn't seem to have settled on one definitive answer. I note, for example, that the Apostles' and Nicene Creeds emphasize the work of Christ, but, by contrast, the Quicunque Vult says that a correct understanding of the doctrine of the Trinity (yikes!) is required.

I should note further that the Anglican tradition allows for a range of theological beliefs, especially on issues that were not settled by the early Ecumenical Councils. Our members include Evangelicals, Reformed theologians, Anglo-Catholics, universalists, supporters of Abelard's theory, and others. You would fit pretty well with the Evangelical Anglicans on this.

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