Another look at the moon landing.

Phil G · Jul 25, 2025

Apple Sky said:
It's part of them.

Only in the context of "heavens", which is NOT the context of John 3:13. This has been pointed to you, yet you still persist in your error. You really don't understand about reading the Bible in context.

David Lamb · Jul 25, 2025

Apple Sky said:
It's part of them.

But did Jesus Christ ascend to the moon? Of course not. John 3:13 is talking about the heaven where God dwells. We know from other Scriptures that after His ascension, Jesus sat on on the right hand of His Father. Surely you don't believe that Jesus is now sitting at the Father's right hand on the moon? Also by your "logic," nobody should ever fly in a aeroplane, helicopter or hot air balloon, because in the bible, the sky where birds fly is sometimes called "heaven."

Apple Sky · Jul 25, 2025

Phil G said:
Only in the context of "heavens", which is NOT the context of John 3:13.

And you know this because ?

Phil G · Jul 25, 2025

Apple Sky said:
And you know this because ?

Bible study. Context, context, context.

This has now been pointed out to you repeatedly!!!

David Lamb · Jul 25, 2025

Apple Sky said:
And you know this because ?

I know it because of what the bible teaches about the ascension of Jesus, and what He did after ascending. He ascended to heaven (not "the heavens), where He sat at the right hand of His Father. I ask you, are you really saying that you believe Jesus ascended to the moon, and that He is next to His Father on the moon?

Apple Sky · Jul 25, 2025

David Lamb said:
I ask you, are you really saying that you believe Jesus ascended to the moon, and that He is next to His Father on the moon?

No this is not what I'm saying. this is what John is saying.

David Lamb · Jul 25, 2025

Apple Sky said:
No this is not what I'm saying. this is what John is saying.

So now you are saying that John says Jesus ascended to the moon, and H e is there now, interceding for us at His Father's right hand?

Phil G · Jul 25, 2025

Apple Sky said:
No this is not what I'm saying. this is what John is saying.

No, that is the way you are interpreting what John is saying Jesus said.

Apple Sky · Jul 25, 2025

Phil G said:
No, that is the way you are interpreting what John is saying Jesus said.

I do understand English.

David Lamb · Jul 25, 2025

Apple Sky said:
I do understand English.

So why do you seem to insist that by writing:

““No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.” (Joh 3:13 NKJV)

John really meant, according to your posts here, ““No one has ascended to the moon but He who came down from the moon, that is, the Son of Man who is on the moon.”

ozso · Jul 25, 2025

Apple Sky said:
It's part of them.

So is the sky if you're going to take the word in that direction. Or are airplanes fake too?

Phil G · Jul 25, 2025

Apple Sky said:
I do understand English.

Obviously not. You don’t understand the distinction between “heaven” where God resides and “the heavens” which is more generally describing sky/space.

Apple Sky · Sunday at 4:09 AM

Phil G said:
Obviously not. You don’t understand the distinction between “heaven” where God resides and “the heavens” which is more generally describing sky/space.

The fist heaven is where the birds fly.
The second heaven is where the firmament is.
The third heaven is where God resides & is what Paul saw.

I was wrong about the verse John 3:13.

Phil G · Sunday at 4:20 AM

Apple Sky said:
The fist heaven is where the birds fly.
The second heaven is where the firmament is.
The third heaven is where God resides & is what Paul saw.

I was wrong about the verse John 3:13.

Ok. But the firmament is the expanse of space or simply sky

What was the firmament in the Bible? | GotQuestions.org

What was the firmament in the Bible? How is the firmament mentioned in the Bible related to the canopy theory?

www.gotquestions.org

Apple Sky · Sunday at 4:41 AM

Phil G said:
Ok. But the firmament is the expanse of space or simply sky

What was the firmament in the Bible? | GotQuestions.org

What was the firmament in the Bible? How is the firmament mentioned in the Bible related to the canopy theory?

www.gotquestions.org

Thanks - So what holds the waters above it ?

Your source says;

"Genesis says that the firmament “separated the water under the expanse from the water above it” (Genesis 1:7). Originally, God created the earth with water “under” the sky (terrestrial and subterranean water) and water “above” the sky—possibly a “water canopy” which enwrapped the earth in a protective layer. Or, the waters above the firmament could simply be a reference to clouds.

Meaning they are not really sure.

Phil G · Sunday at 4:53 AM

Apple Sky said:
Thanks - So what holds the waters above it ?

Your source says;

"Genesis says that the firmament “separated the water under the expanse from the water above it” (Genesis 1:7). Originally, God created the earth with water “under” the sky (terrestrial and subterranean water) and water “above” the sky—possibly a “water canopy” which enwrapped the earth in a protective layer. Or, the waters above the firmament could simply be a reference to clouds.

Meaning they are not really sure.

No, nobody is really sure about that. There are various theories, but that's all.

I prefer to stick to what is known. Man went to the moon. When Christian astronaut Charles Duke gives eyewitness testimony to his own personal journey both to the moon and to Christ, I have no doubt he is telling the truth.

Add to that, in the broader context, that there are more Christian astronauts who can attest and give eyewitness testimony to the earth's shape being a globe.

You can line up umpteen conspiracy theorists and videos/memes all you want, none of them hold a candle to Christian eyewitness testimonies. If the conspiracy theorists contradict their eyewitness testimonies, then they call these people of God liars.

And all conspiracy theorists have are just theories, claims and statements that make no sense to anybody with knowledge of basic maths and physics. Theorists have no countering eyewitness testimonies, and that's what they would need to have to even open a debate on the veracity of the Christian astronauts' personal eyewitness testimonies.

Apple Sky · Sunday at 5:38 AM

Phil G said:
No, nobody is really sure about that. There are various theories, but that's all.

I prefer to stick with God's words.

Genesis 1:7

And God made a firmament, and he divided the waters that were under the firmament, from those that were above the firmament. And it was so.

Who are we to believe God or an astronaut ?

Phil G · Sunday at 5:42 AM

Apple Sky said:
I prefer to stick with God's words.

Genesis 1:7
And God made a firmament, and he divided the waters that were under the firmament, from those that were above the firmament. And it was so.

Who are we to believe God or an astronaut ?

You are not believing God's word. You are believing one particular interpretation of His word. Not the same thing.

And the eyewitness testimonies of Christian astronauts prove that interpretation wrong. Otherwise you accuse those Christians of lying. Do you want to go down that road again?

Apple Sky · Sunday at 6:48 AM

Phil G said:
Do you want to go down that road again?

No, I just can't see how it possible for rockets to shoot through God's firmament ?

tharkun73 · Sunday at 6:53 AM

Apple Sky said:
No, I just can't see how it possible for rockets to shoot through God's firmament ?

The firmament that the sun, moon, and starts all move through? WHy would it allow them and not a rocket. Either the firmament is solid or it isn't. Take your pick.

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