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You brought up the concept to cover this topic. You claimed that people are being 'holier than thou' about this matter (why else bring it up) and are too compassionate, looking for solutions without critical thought being involved. Again, why else bring it up in this thread if it's not relevant to the op?

Because the author of the op brought up a different topic themselves. See post #285. I was simply commenting on it.

Call it out.

What will calling it out achieve?

Accept that people are genuine in calling it out without accusing them of being 'holier than thou'. Accept that people are genuine without insinuating that there's no critical thinking going on.

You keep insinuating I’m accusing people of being holier than thou just for calling out racism even though I keep telling you that’s not the case.

Where you said 'We see a lot of suicidal empathy/pathological altruism on the left'? In a thread where there were people 'on the left' decrying the very concept of a white only community as being racist? Are you now saying that your comments had nothing at all to do with the op but were simply a general rant against the left? In which case you have no problems with people pointing out how racist this Arkansas 'community' actually is.

It’s an observation I made in reply to a different thread linked by the author of this thread. It was not about people’s reaction to this group of racists.
 
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I'm still shocked that empathy and compassion have become a bad thing for some Christians. If that's the case, we have certainly lost our way. Isn't this an example of treating that which is good as if it is evil? Isn't that what Jesus called blasphemy of the Spirit?

*waits for accusation of virtue signaling*
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So a thread is started about a few whites separating themselves from other people. So who are the Christians supposed to have empathy and compassion for.
For the ahtesit who stared the thread because he does not like what they are doing??
 
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Well, those people can do what they like as far as I am concerned. It is bizarre to see people actually wanting to move to a neighborhood with a fascist HOA. Sounds like a plot for a sitcom.
A fish out of water story where a crotchety Dave Chappellle’s wife accidentally buys a home there and no one checks?

Why it writes itself!
 
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Sympathy can come from empathy.
True.
So you cannot definitively say it’s one and not the other.
Sure I can. If sympathy arises from empathy, it's still sympathy. But this is irrelevant - you're the one who presented it as an example of "suicidal empathy." If it's impossible to tell whether it's sympathy or empathy, how could it be a good example of empathy?
 
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Not the white supremacist?
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Well i do not believe anyone is showing empathy and compassion for these people. What I understand is some are saying they just do not care what these people are doing.
 
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So a thread is started about a few whites separating themselves from other people. So who are the Christians supposed to have empathy and compassion for.
For the ahtesit who stared the thread because he does not like what they are doing??

I don't see why we can't try to have compassion for all. The prejudice behind the desire to seperate is disturbing, though. That's not a good thing. We should be working in the other direction, toward our common humanity. I mean, let's be honest. White people can be boring. Just imagine what music would be if it had all been left to white people. ^_^
 
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What the world wants

I think I'm figuring out what you might mean when you say "the world". It appears that when you say "world" you mean "non-Christians". And so anything non-Christians like and do is bad, and there can be no overlap between Christianity and what non-Christians believe, think, and do.

Am I correct? Close?

The problem is that this isn't the Bible means when it speaks of "the world" in its negative sense. The negative sense of "the world" refers to the "cosmic architecture" of the way things are post-Fall, the present arrangement (the Greek word kosmos means "arrangement" or "order"). St. Paul, therefore, speaks of how our contest or struggle is not with "flesh and blood", it's not with our fellow human beings, and so the tools at our disposal are not tools of "war" to fight other people, but rather ours is a spiritual toolset of faith, hope, love, truth, and the Gospel to guard ourselves against the cosmic, spiritual forces of darkness.

It is not atheists and agnostics or Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, or (fill in the blank) that we are at contention with; it is with the dark spiritual architecture that governs the present fallen age. The spiritual landscape in which creation, including human beings, are made victims of the tyranny of death and the the impulses of evil that emerge out of our own broken human condition--as creatures made to bear the Divine Image, but instead collaborate with our own self-destruction by giving into the lusts or passions of our flesh. AKA sin. Through sin we collaborate with death, we betray our God-given meaning, we turn the human potential to act justly toward others and all other creatures and instead pervert it into acts of cruelty. The parent has been given the gift of parenthood and thus is called to the beautiful vocation of raising a child, but if a parent gives into anger they abuse the child, the parent may become selfish, callous, or the parental instincts may be bent out of shape by past trauma of their own broken childhood--and so the cycle of abuse continues. All manner of evil is perpetuated in a world that labors under the tyranny of death, especially as we feed our self-orientated instincts and impulses due to our own innate brokenness.

But all of this emerges out of a hurting creation, a creation that St. Paul says groans as though in labor pains, subject to futility--the futility of death. But it is always against the backdrop of dark, spiritual cosmic forces that this happens. And so it is not with human beings made in God's Image that we bear "weapons", but against the spiritual forces of darkness--which is why our armor and our weapons are spiritual--love, truth, kindness, and Good News.

So when we read that the one who is friends with the world is an enemy of God, it does not mean finding common ground with other people outside of our religion; it means the love and affection for a system of darkness that is imposing and cruel--that which gives license to the passions to act unjustly against others. "The world" is that which says "take what you want, and care about none who suffer" it is might makes right, it is strength above weakness, it is the first is first, what's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine.

Jesus comes with a world-shattering proclamation: "The kingdom of God is at hand, repent and believe the Good News" and then goes on over the course of His entire earthly ministry to define what that means through every word He spoke, and every act He did. It's Jesus amid the prostitutes, the tax collectors, the lepers; it's feeding the five thousand, it's saying to the paralytic man, "Your sins are forgiven" and "Get up and walk". It's saying to the woman caught in adultery, "Neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more". It's "the first shall be last and the last shall be first" and "the greatest among you is your slave". It's "Blessed are the poor, for theirs is God's kingdom" and "Woe to you who are rich".

It's that the means of Divine victory does not come with raising and leading an army and going to Rome to overthrow Caesar; but the Cross where the Lamb of God is slain, and who says, "Father forgive them, they don't know what they're doing".

It is weakness over strength. It is smallness over bigness. It is leastness over greatness. It is "the prostitutes and tax collectors are entering the kingdom ahead of you". It's that in a feeding trough, on a cool winter's night outside of Bethlehem, a tiny Baby was wrapped in meager swaddling, cradles by a mild virgin mother, and an unimportant carpenter as her fiance. Surrounded by the royal powers of Herod, the aristocratic powers and structures of the Sadducees over the Temple, and men like Pontius Pilate ruling Judea as the representative of a foreign tyrant. But this Infant was not born to seize Herod's crown or throw Caesar off his distant throne; but to proclaim a new kind of kingdom, the eternal kingdom, because God is King--and how is God King? He looks like that Infant in a feeding trough, visited by shepherds; He looks like the Boy playing in Joseph's carpenter's shop, and who has peculiar conversations with the theologians and teachers of the day in the Temple. It looks like an unassuming Man, traveling around Galilee, and also Judea saying and doing things which confused and angered those with power because they benefit from the present way of how things work. Reminding everyone of the ancient promises of YHWH, and speaking of the fulfillment of those ancient promises. Not through pomp and splendor, not through a military parade, not by conquest; but by the simpleness of His Person, by the gentleness of His hands toward the least, by His time spent with the unimportant, and by His entrance on the back of a donkey--toward the unglorious, shameful cross of death.

So that He might take the powers and principalities and make a spectacle of them, He is above them not because He had a greater show of force, but because His Life was His to lay down which He chose to do; and death could not destroy Him. For all the dark powers, death, the devil, sin, the monstrous legions of violence that permeate this present reality of ours--in the end could not best Him. For on a Sunday morning, when all was still, the stone was rolled away.

He took on hell, and hell lost.

The world hated Him. Why? Because He was a jerk who used religion and pious words to insult the people He thought were beneath Him? No, that's what the hypocritical religious elite did--they snubbed their noses at the lesser people while patting themselves on the back for being more righteous, more pious, more religious, more moral than all of them. They would not dare to pal with a Greek dog or a filthy harlot; they would not deign to visit a leper or console a poor man with a dying child.

It hated Him because the world hates it when a starving child is fed, and when a wretched man is shown compassion. The world hates it when a wicked man is forgiven and has the opportunity to change his ways. The world hates it when the rich are shown to be thieves of the wealth that belongs to the poor; the world hates it when the mighty are shown to be naked and meaningless because they have been given the gifts to care for those who can't care for themselves and do nothing but profit for themselves--and are called out for it. The world hates it when it is shown that they have been nagging on and on about the speck in someone else's eye, all the while a cedar is growing out of theirs. It hates that "those people" are shown dignity and compassion. It hates to be challenged, it hates to feel uncomfortable. It loves it when a man like Caesar is lord, it loves it when a man like Herod wears the crown, it loves it when Caiaphas in in charge of the Temple, and it loves it when hypocrites rule the synagogues. The world loves those who flaunt and who brag. The world loves power and wealth and greed and violence. The world loves it when a tyrant is in charge, and when the laws are corrupt and unjust and benefit those at the top. The world adores war, and the clashing of nations, tribes, and kingdoms in bitter endless conflict as each side tells itself that they are right and the other side is evil. The world loves it when brothers quarrel, and sisters fight; it adores when parents abuse their children, and children rebel against their parents. The world loves holding men in chains, and forcing women to be objects of desire. The world loves division and conquest--finding all the petty differences among the common and universal human creature and drawing lines on maps, arguing who has the better skin color, and whose language is sophisticated and the other barbaric. It loves saying "men over there" and "women over there"; it loves belittling the different and glorying in the homogenous.

That's the world.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I think I'm figuring out what you might mean when you say "the world". It appears that when you say "world" you mean "non-Christians". And so anything non-Christians like and do is bad, and there can be no overlap between Christianity and what non-Christians believe, think, and do.

Am I correct? Close?

The problem is that this isn't the Bible means when it speaks of "the world" in its negative sense. The negative sense of "the world" refers to the "cosmic architecture" of the way things are post-Fall, the present arrangement (the Greek word kosmos means "arrangement" or "order"). St. Paul, therefore, speaks of how our contest or struggle is not with "flesh and blood", it's not with our fellow human beings, and so the tools at our disposal are not tools of "war" to fight other people, but rather ours is a spiritual toolset of faith, hope, love, truth, and the Gospel to guard ourselves against the cosmic, spiritual forces of darkness.

It is not atheists and agnostics or Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, or (fill in the blank) that we are at contention with; it is with the dark spiritual architecture that governs the present fallen age. The spiritual landscape in which creation, including human beings, are made victims of the tyranny of death and the the impulses of evil that emerge out of our own broken human condition--as creatures made to bear the Divine Image, but instead collaborate with our own self-destruction by giving into the lusts or passions of our flesh. AKA sin. Through sin we collaborate with death, we betray our God-given meaning, we turn the human potential to act justly toward others and all other creatures and instead pervert it into acts of cruelty. The parent has been given the gift of parenthood and thus is called to the beautiful vocation of raising a child, but if a parent gives into anger they abuse the child, the parent may become selfish, callous, or the parental instincts may be bent out of shape by past trauma of their own broken childhood--and so the cycle of abuse continues. All manner of evil is perpetuated in a world that labors under the tyranny of death, especially as we feed our self-orientated instincts and impulses due to our own innate brokenness.

But all of this emerges out of a hurting creation, a creation that St. Paul says groans as though in labor pains, subject to futility--the futility of death. But it is always against the backdrop of dark, spiritual cosmic forces that this happens. And so it is not with human beings made in God's Image that we bear "weapons", but against the spiritual forces of darkness--which is why our armor and our weapons are spiritual--love, truth, kindness, and Good News.

So when we read that the one who is friends with the world is an enemy of God, it does not mean finding common ground with other people outside of our religion; it means the love and affection for a system of darkness that is imposing and cruel--that which gives license to the passions to act unjustly against others. "The world" is that which says "take what you want, and care about none who suffer" it is might makes right, it is strength above weakness, it is the first is first, what's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine.

Jesus comes with a world-shattering proclamation: "The kingdom of God is at hand, repent and believe the Good News" and then goes on over the course of His entire earthly ministry to define what that means through every word He spoke, and every act He did. It's Jesus amid the prostitutes, the tax collectors, the lepers; it's feeding the five thousand, it's saying to the paralytic man, "Your sins are forgiven" and "Get up and walk". It's saying to the woman caught in adultery, "Neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more". It's "the first shall be last and the last shall be first" and "the greatest among you is your slave". It's "Blessed are the poor, for theirs is God's kingdom" and "Woe to you who are rich".

It's that the means of Divine victory does not come with raising and leading an army and going to Rome to overthrow Caesar; but the Cross where the Lamb of God is slain, and who says, "Father forgive them, they don't know what they're doing".

It is weakness over strength. It is smallness over bigness. It is leastness over greatness. It is "the prostitutes and tax collectors are entering the kingdom ahead of you". It's that in a feeding trough, on a cool winter's night outside of Bethlehem, a tiny Baby was wrapped in meager swaddling, cradles by a mild virgin mother, and an unimportant carpenter as her fiance. Surrounded by the royal powers of Herod, the aristocratic powers and structures of the Sadducees over the Temple, and men like Pontius Pilate ruling Judea as the representative of a foreign tyrant. But this Infant was not born to seize Herod's crown or throw Caesar off his distant throne; but to proclaim a new kind of kingdom, the eternal kingdom, because God is King--and how is God King? He looks like that Infant in a feeding trough, visited by shepherds; He looks like the Boy playing in Joseph's carpenter's shop, and who has peculiar conversations with the theologians and teachers of the day in the Temple. It looks like an unassuming Man, traveling around Galilee, and also Judea saying and doing things which confused and angered those with power because they benefit from the present way of how things work. Reminding everyone of the ancient promises of YHWH, and speaking of the fulfillment of those ancient promises. Not through pomp and splendor, not through a military parade, not by conquest; but by the simpleness of His Person, by the gentleness of His hands toward the least, by His time spent with the unimportant, and by His entrance on the back of a donkey--toward the unglorious, shameful cross of death.

So that He might take the powers and principalities and make a spectacle of them, He is above them not because He had a greater show of force, but because His Life was His to lay down which He chose to do; and death could not destroy Him. For all the dark powers, death, the devil, sin, the monstrous legions of violence that permeate this present reality of ours--in the end could not best Him. For on a Sunday morning, when all was still, the stone was rolled away.

He took on hell, and hell lost.

The world hated Him. Why? Because He was a jerk who used religion and pious words to insult the people He thought were beneath Him? No, that's what the hypocritical religious elite did--they snubbed their noses at the lesser people while patting themselves on the back for being more righteous, more pious, more religious, more moral than all of them. They would not dare to pal with a Greek dog or a filthy harlot; they would not deign to visit a leper or console a poor man with a dying child.

It hated Him because the world hates it when a starving child is fed, and when a wretched man is shown compassion. The world hates it when a wicked man is forgiven and has the opportunity to change his ways. The world hates it when the rich are shown to be thieves of the wealth that belongs to the poor; the world hates it when the mighty are shown to be naked and meaningless because they have been given the gifts to care for those who can't care for themselves and do nothing but profit for themselves--and are called out for it. The world hates it when it is shown that they have been nagging on and on about the speck in someone else's eye, all the while a cedar is growing out of theirs. It hates that "those people" are shown dignity and compassion. It hates to be challenged, it hates to feel uncomfortable. It loves it when a man like Caesar is lord, it loves it when a man like Herod wears the crown, it loves it when Caiaphas in in charge of the Temple, and it loves it when hypocrites rule the synagogues. The world loves those who flaunt and who brag. The world loves power and wealth and greed and violence. The world loves it when a tyrant is in charge, and when the laws are corrupt and unjust and benefit those at the top. The world adores war, and the clashing of nations, tribes, and kingdoms in bitter endless conflict as each side tells itself that they are right and the other side is evil. The world loves it when brothers quarrel, and sisters fight; it adores when parents abuse their children, and children rebel against their parents. The world loves holding men in chains, and forcing women to be objects of desire. The world loves division and conquest--finding all the petty differences among the common and universal human creature and drawing lines on maps, arguing who has the better skin color, and whose language is sophisticated and the other barbaric. It loves saying "men over there" and "women over there"; it loves belittling the different and glorying in the homogenous.

That's the world.

-CryptoLutheran
The system of the world also consists of humanistic morality. The key to "the prostitutes and tax collectors are entering the kingdom ahead of you" is that they are entering the kingdom. They are laying aside being tax collectors and prostitutes and whatever else to become followers of Christ. They are dying to themselves, and laying aside their desires and their values. When Jesus healed the the paralytic he told him stop sinning or something worse will happen to you. When Jesus showed mercy to the adulteress the crowd was going to stone, he told her to stop sinning.

That's the difference between humanistic morality and Christ. Humanistic morality will help and care for others, but will not attach the caveat of stop sinning as Christ did. Humanistic morality will say feed the poor, house the homeless, care for the sick, love your neighbor. But will not say to lay aside your desires and your way of life and to repent, stop sinning and pursue holiness.

Satan has melded humanistic morality with a Christianity that does not say stop sinning and repent and lay aside your desires and your way of life to follow Christ and pursue holiness. Because the world doesn't want to hear that. Those in the system of world hate being told that. And they hate those who deliver that message.
 
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Like taking a flamethrower to a mosquito they are "defending themselves".
What? You do realize Israeli babies and Children were burned to death. In front of their parents?
You do realize women were so forcefully raped their pelvis was broken? And you do realize that it becomes obvious that such accusations against Israel, betrays that you really care about this?
 
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I'm still shocked that empathy and compassion have become a bad thing for some Christians. If that's the case, we have certainly lost our way. Isn't this an example of treating that which is good as if it is evil? Isn't that what Jesus called blasphemy of the Spirit?

*waits for accusation of virtue signaling*
Going on about empathy and compassion was a red herring in this thread. With the notion that black and Jewish people are somehow being victimized and deprived by neo-nazis wanting to leave their communities to live in an remote isolated commune. We're supposed to be outraged that neo-nazis won't let black and Jewish people live in their remote isolated 160 acer tailer park commune. As if anyone except for neo-nazis would want to live in little naziville.
 
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I don't see why we can't try to have compassion for all. The prejudice behind the desire to seperate is disturbing, though. That's not a good thing. We should be working in the other direction, toward our common humanity. I mean, let's be honest. White people can be boring. Just imagine what music would be if it had all been left to white people. ^_^
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Well there is a lot of compassion out in the world, but a fact is not everyone is going to agree to a common belief about life and how it should be lived.

All people add to life, i guess i take that as a way of everyday life, being where i live. Because being white, i am in the minority.
 
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Speaking as the world, I don't want Christianity to do anything in particular.

I want We The People (through our 'worldly' government) to address certain issues like hunger, poverty and discrimination.

Don't we the people do that through our government?
 
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What? You do realize Israeli babies and Children were burned to death. In front of their parents?
Give me a quantifiable number of Palestinian children that need to starve to death for that debt to be paid?
 
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I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what "white culture" is.

Obviously there are cultures within cultures. But there are differences and similarities. I think whilte culture in America is an off short of Western Culture. And if course NO culture exists that does not share similarities to others as well. I don't think one culture owns a single thing. But when we put a number of things together in generality we see a culture emerge. So, here are some things when added together that make up white American culture.

1. Rugged individualism
2. Self reliance
3. Nuclear family unit consisting of mother, father and children. Extended families rarely living together
4. Hard work or maybe working hard (putting in a lot of effort)
5. Believing hard work can make you successful
6. Individual Ownership
7. Respect for authority
8. A wide variety of food interests
9. Planning for the future instead of immediate gratification (admittedly this is becoming less and less)
10. Time is important
11. An appreciation for a wide variety of music
12. Builders, discoverers, inventors
13. Willingness to help others

Mileage my vary.
 
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