And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth.

Larniavc · Tuesday at 4:18 AM

Apple Sky said:
I believe the Bible every time.

Do you believe pi equals 3? Or that bats are in fact birds?

David Lamb · Tuesday at 4:51 AM

Apple Sky said:
What's the harm in theorizing a different view point, I find this notion very interesting indeed.

Interesting, but as far as I know, there is nothing in the bible to support the notion.

Apple Sky · Tuesday at 5:48 AM

David Lamb said:
Interesting, but as far as I know, there is nothing in the bible to support the notion.

I know, we are just theorizing.

David Lamb · Tuesday at 5:57 AM

Apple Sky said:
I know, we are just theorizing.

That's fine, as long as you take care, as we all must, not to allow our theorizing and speculation mould what we believe about God's word.

d taylor · Tuesday at 7:54 AM

Larniavc said:
Are you saying the Moon emits light?

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Yes the moon is a light source just like the sun and stars. They were created to give light to the earth.

Larniavc · Tuesday at 9:47 AM

d taylor said:
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Yes the moon is a light source just like the sun and stars. They were created to give light to the earth.

Can’t tell if you are serious. The Moon does not emit any radiation in the visible spectrum. We see it the same way we see anything; from the light that reflects from it.

d taylor · Tuesday at 11:15 AM

Larniavc said:
Can’t tell if you are serious. The Moon does not emit any radiation in the visible spectrum. We see it the same way we see anything; from the light that reflects from it.

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This photo shows light being emitted from the impressions on the surface.

Larniavc · Wednesday at 6:50 AM

d taylor said:
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This photo shows light being emitted from the impressions on the surface.

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No it doesn’t. It shows the light reflected from the Sun or possibly the Earth.

Good grief don’t you know how seeing works yet?

My son does and he’s only ten.

d taylor · Wednesday at 7:09 AM

Larniavc said:
No it doesn’t. It shows the light reflected from the Sun or possibly the Earth.

Good grief don’t you know how seeing works yet?

My son does and he’s only ten.

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You see how the light does when zooming in on the light of the moon with a camera.

So reproduce this same effect by zooming in on a sphere (styrofoam,etc..) lit by a light. You should be able to easily do this if the moon is lit by reflected light.

Larniavc · Wednesday at 9:22 AM

d taylor said:
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You see how the light does when zooming in on the light of the moon with a camera.

So reproduce this same effect by zooming in on a sphere (styrofoam,etc..) lit by a light. You should be able to easily do this if the moon is lit by reflected light.

I’ve no idea what you are trying to say or demonstrate. The moon is not a small polystyrene ball.

Larniavc · Wednesday at 11:20 AM

d taylor said:
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You see how the light does when zooming in on the light of the moon with a camera.

So reproduce this same effect by zooming in on a sphere (styrofoam,etc..) lit by a light. You should be able to easily do this if the moon is lit by reflected light.

The moon is thus visible via reflection. That is how eyes work.

d taylor · Wednesday at 11:31 AM

Larniavc said:
I’ve no idea what you are trying to say or demonstrate. The moon is not a small polystyrene ball.

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i though you science people worked by making a guess about something then proving your guess is correct by being able to reproduce your guess.

So they say the moon reflect the suns light. So with a model produce the effect i am able to produce, when zooming in on the moon with a camera.

Larniavc · Wednesday at 12:04 PM

d taylor said:
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i though you science people worked by making a guess about something then proving your guess is correct by being able to reproduce your guess.

So they say the moon reflect the suns light. So with a model produce the effect i am able to produce, when zooming in on the moon with a camera.

So if I get you correctly you are saying that if you zoom into a polystyrene ball you will see something that proves the Moon emits light?

What is it I’m supposed to see?

d taylor · Wednesday at 12:16 PM

Larniavc said:
So if I get you correctly you are saying that if you zoom into a polystyrene ball you will see something that proves the Moon emits light?

What is it I’m supposed to see?

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No why can i not get the reflected light from this styrofoam sphere which is reflecting light from the light next to it.

Why does the light on the styrofoam sphere when zooming in, not duplicate. What the light of the moon does when zooming in on the moon.

Larniavc · Wednesday at 2:03 PM

d taylor said:
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No why can i not get the reflected light from this styrofoam sphere which is reflecting light from the light next to it.

Why does the light on the styrofoam sphere when zooming in, not duplicate. What the light of the moon does when zooming in on the moon.

What do you mean 'not duplicate'?

d taylor · Wednesday at 4:19 PM

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Never mind, maybe if we were in person discussing this it would be better.

prodromos · Wednesday at 7:07 PM

d taylor said:
You see how the light does when zooming in on the light of the moon with a camera.

So reproduce this same effect by zooming in on a sphere (styrofoam,etc..) lit by a light. You should be able to easily do this if the moon is lit by reflected light.

Your camera is automatically adjusting its exposure for the amount of light being picked up by the sensor. When you are zoomed out, most of the sensor is dark, so your camera increases exposure causing the moon to wash out. You are not able to see any details, just bright lights. As you zoom in and the moon covers more of the camera's sensor, more of the sensor is lit so your camera reduces the exposure which then allows the details of the moon's surface to be seen.

If I actually had a stryofoam ball and a camera and a studio light and lots of black, non-reflective material to surround the ball, I could easily reproduce what you see in your video.

prodromos · Wednesday at 7:15 PM

d taylor said:
No why can i not get the reflected light from this styrofoam sphere which is reflecting light from the light next to it.

Why does the light on the styrofoam sphere when zooming in, not duplicate. What the light of the moon does when zooming in on the moon.

Because there is so much ambient light from the surroundings (you are not reproducing this in a pitch black room), your camera is not over exposing the light reflected off your styrofoam ball.

I thought you were an experienced photographer?

When you do your video of the moon, manually set your camera to a low exposure and then you will see no change in how the moon appears as you zoom in. It will be just like your strofoam ball.

truthuprootsevil · Wednesday at 7:18 PM

imsaneru said:
Revelation 6 : 2And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

As school kids we were taught that stars are suns , so how could suns fall to the earth ?
Even if one of them came close wouldn't we burn up?

Yet our bible says they fell to the earth.

In this case stars would seem to represent what we call meteorites, asteroids.
John seeing this in his vision, he saw lights coming from the sky down to earth which he interpreted to be stars. That's exactly what a meteorite would look like or an asteroid, first like the light of stars.

Then there is also when you refer back to Zachariah 14:12 and the plague that the Lord is going to put up on the Earth, where flesh, eyeballs, tongues, will consume away before the body can hit the ground, which sounds like nuclear weaponry could also be what John saw. When mankind shoots off their missiles it's white streaks of light going across the sky and coming down and in John's vision if he saw something as such he would think it's stars.

d taylor · Thursday at 8:53 AM

Larniavc said:
What do you mean 'not duplicate'?

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I will give you my belief based on some Biblical descriptions of what the sun and moon are

The sun and moon are convex disc that face and give light only to the surface or face of the earth.

Stars also give light only to the earth, but i do not believe they are a convex disk. The stars may just exist as light and have no solid surface.

And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth.

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