The 666 mark will be a tattoo

ViaCrucis said:

The relevant text is this:

"This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666." - Revelation 13:18

That is an invitation to the reader to discern a name based on the numerical value of 666 (six hundred and sixty-six).

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Paul's "man" of sin, was drawing from Isaiah 14, is this the "man" that made the nations tremble?

It's Satan. It's not talking about a human man.

The mark of the beast, or the number of his name. No complex gematria is required.


The forehead is the frontal lobe, where our decisions are made.

The forehead, our thoughts. The right hand our actions, or our work.

The people who have the mark of the beast, or the number of the his name, can't buy or sell without it. They can't go out and operate in society without having the mark of the beast in their right hand, or on the front of their minds.

Satan, the Antichrist, his very name means destruction. Maybe everyone, or the majority gets the mark of the beast, until receiving the Seal of the Living God, and that erases the mark. Come out of her My People. And then we find the narrow gate that leads to life.

666 just means two thirds. It's the number of his name, Satan, Abaddon, Apollyon, which in two languages his name means destruction. The son of perdition, the son of destruction.

It's the Bible's use of thirds. Like when the great city gets split into three parts, mean's complete destruction. All three thirds are destroyed.

Revelation mentions a "third" being destroyed multiple times.

A third of the earth was burned up,
A third of the trees were burned up,
A third of the sea became blood.
A third of the living creatures in the sea died,
A third of the ships were destroyed.
A third of the rivers and on the springs of water.
A third of the waters became wormwood,
A third of the sun was struck,
A third of the moon,
A third of the stars,
A third of their light might be darkened,
A third of the day might be kept from shining,
A third of the night.
A third of mankind.

But two thirds are spared. There's not a complete destruction.

666 = 2/3's

David kills the Moabites 2 Samuel 8


Another example is when King David defeated the Moabites. He made them all lay down on the ground. Then he counted off and killed every two out of three people. But one third was spared. Two thirds destroyed, (666). There wasn't a complete destruction, the Moabites continued on as a people contributing to the tax role.

Ezekiel 5 Divine Judgment.


Another case where two thirds are destroyed (666), but one third is spared.

So 666, 2/3's, seems to be the wide gate people, the number of his name, which means destruction. Where the majority are going to.


.666 as a simple fraction?

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Best Answer: if it is 0.666 then 666/1000 and reduce it.
if it is 0.666.... then 2/3

Those who are perishing.

Peaceful Sabbath.

rockytopva said:

* Create a new currency

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That's happens with boring reularity now, doesn't it? I actually made money trading Dogecoin (hundreds, not thousands.), and I didn't even have to have any tattoos.

rockytopva said:

* Create something "swipable" to access the account

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Not at all sure what that means, or why.

rockytopva said:

* Eliminate the need to carry a billfold, credit cards, passports, drivers licensees, and those sort of things.

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That's your telephone.

rockytopva said:

Every time I have heard Elon Musk get up to lecture he starts out by promoting bitcoin.

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He's probably heavily invested in it, to almost no one's surprise.

rockytopva said:

I do believe he will help pave the way for a one-world government and a one-world currency.

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Ain't happening

rockytopva said:

- Does the Bible prophesy a one-world government and a one-world currency in the end times? | GotQuestions.org

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Nope.

rockytopva said:

I think we should all be allowed to read Revelation

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Considering that's the only book in the New Testament that a great many peple have read, I don't think"allowing" is an issue.

rockytopva said:

and come up with an interpretation.

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Oh yeah, that's Christendom is crying out for, another few thousands of interpretations of the Revelation.

rockytopva said:

And others should be allowed to contest such a view.

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You needn't worry on that account. Pretty much everyone has their own interpretation of Rev, and no two them agree.

rockytopva said:

I do believe they will come up with a way to travel without personal ID, cash, or credit card.I

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One tattoo won't get that done, will it?

rockytopva said:

would be careful on how I handled such changes when they come.

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If they don't require you to sacrifice to the Emperor you're probably alright.

2PhiloVoid said:

You're implying that I must be "ignoring basic exegetical principles." I realize that even after several years, you don't know me, and I can't really expect you to know which exegetical principles I employ to interpret the bible and its apocalyptic books and traditions. As the case may be, I find it's usually best not to assume that your interlocutor knows nothing.

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This wasn't directed toward you. It was said in general.

2PhiloVoid said:

Additionally, I'm not going to argue the interpretive issues here with you because I don't hold my view dogmatically either. Just take it as a point of further consideration that I'm giving you an additional hermeneutical tip which you may also want to consider for the long haul of life.

-2PhiloVoid

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-CryptoLutheran

Dave Watchman said:

Paul's "man" of sin, was drawing from Isaiah 14, is this the "man" that made the nations tremble?

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On what basis do you make this assertion?

Dave Watchman said:

It's Satan. It's not talking about a human man.

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According to the text of Isaiah 14, it's about a man. It's about the king of Babylon. There's nothing in the text that indicates that it's about Satan. I'm not sure when this idea that Isaiah 14 is about the devil first shows up historically; but I don't think, from a strictly exegetical vantage point, it's particularly credible.

Dave Watchman said:

The mark of the beast, or the number of his name. No complex gematria is required.

"And that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.​

The forehead is the frontal lobe, where our decisions are made.

The forehead, our thoughts. The right hand our actions, or our work.

The people who have the mark of the beast, or the number of the his name, can't buy or sell without it. They can't go out and operate in society without having the mark of the beast in their right hand, or on the front of their minds.

Satan, the Antichrist, his very name means destruction. Maybe everyone, or the majority gets the mark of the beast, until receiving the Seal of the Living God, and that erases the mark. Come out of her My People. And then we find the narrow gate that leads to life.

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Except, of course, St. John tells us explicitly that 666 is the number of a name. That's literally what the text says.

Dave Watchman said:

666 just means two thirds. It's the number of his name, Satan, Abaddon, Apollyon, which in two languages his name means destruction. The son of perdition, the son of destruction.

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Except, St. John says 666 is the number of a human name. Not Satan, but a man.

Dave Watchman said:

It's the Bible's use of thirds. Like when the great city gets split into three parts, mean's complete destruction. All three thirds are destroyed.

Revelation mentions a "third" being destroyed multiple times.

A third of the earth was burned up,
A third of the trees were burned up,
A third of the sea became blood.
A third of the living creatures in the sea died,
A third of the ships were destroyed.
A third of the rivers and on the springs of water.
A third of the waters became wormwood,
A third of the sun was struck,
A third of the moon,
A third of the stars,
A third of their light might be darkened,
A third of the day might be kept from shining,
A third of the night.
A third of mankind.

But two thirds are spared. There's not a complete destruction.

666 = 2/3's

David kills the Moabites 2 Samuel 8

"David also defeated the Moabites, made them lie down on the ground, and measured them off with a cord. He measured off with two lengths those to be put to death, and with one length those to be spared. So the Moabites became subject to David and brought him tribute.​

Another example is when King David defeated the Moabites. He made them all lay down on the ground. Then he counted off and killed every two out of three people. But one third was spared. Two thirds destroyed, (666). There wasn't a complete destruction, the Moabites continued on as a people contributing to the tax role.

Ezekiel 5 Divine Judgment.

"A third part of you shall die of pestilence and be consumed with famine in your midst;​

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"A third part shall fall by the sword all around you; and​

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"A third part I will scatter to all the winds and will unsheathe the sword after them.​

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"And when I have spent my wrath on them, they will know that I the LORD have spoken in my zeal.​

Another case where two thirds are destroyed (666), but one third is spared.

So 666, 2/3's, seems to be the wide gate people, the number of his name, which means destruction. Where the majority are going to.

.666 as a simple fraction?

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Best Answer: if it is 0.666 then 666/1000 and reduce it.
if it is 0.666.... then 2/3

Those who are perishing.

Peaceful Sabbath.

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I feel like this can be safely filed under "wild speculations" that I mentioned in a previous post.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

On what basis do you make this assertion?

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Just read it. Just regular comprehension skills. No fancy translation tricks required.

NKJV even put his name there:

The Fall of Lucifer​

12“How you are fallen from heaven,
O [d]Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’
15Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the [e]lowest depths of the Pit.
16“Those who see you will gaze at you,
And consider you, saying:
‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble,
Who shook kingdoms,
17Who made the world as a wilderness
And destroyed its cities,
Who [f]did not open the house of his prisoners?’

First line:

12“How you are fallen from heaven,

(And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. - Jesus, Luke 10:18)

13For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;

The king of Babylon, the king of the north, or the Assyrian is not talking about a human man. Nebuchadnezzar did not fall from heaven, (like lightning). I knew this was talking about Satan the first time I read it when I was a kid. It's simple. Basic.

ViaCrucis said:

According to the text of Isaiah 14, it's about a man. It's about the king of Babylon. There's nothing in the text that indicates that it's about Satan. I'm not sure when this idea that Isaiah 14 is about the devil first shows up historically; but I don't think, from a strictly exegetical vantage point, it's particularly credible.

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This to me is basic. It could be the Bible version your using or the church teachings you grew up with. It just takes a bit of discernment to nuance the meaning out of the Script.

Here, I googled a couple for you:

ViaCrucis said:

Except, St. John says 666 is the number of a human name. Not Satan, but a man.

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No he didn't. You're inserting the word "human" in there. It's not a human man. Our man of sin is not a real human man. Although it does have the caveat that it calls for a mind with wisdom, Daniel said only He gives wisdom to the wise.


Paul called the man of sin the son of perdition. Perdition means "utter destruction". Son of Perdition was first used for Judas Iscariot. And just then Satan entered into him. God calls Satan a "man". Paul didn't have google or the internet. He always would draw from the OT for reference. Paul's "man" of sin was Satan from Isiah 14. Is this the "man" ?

Is this the man who made the earth tremble,
Who shook kingdoms,
17Who made the world as a wilderness
And destroyed its cities,

God can call Satan a "man". Daniel called the angel Gabriel a "man" in verse 21 of Chapter 9. Christ called Himself the Son of Man.
666 is the number of the second beast, the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit. His name is Abaddon, and Apollyon. In Hebrew and in Greek his name means destroyer, or destruction. He is the son of perdition, or the son of destruction. The number of his name is 666, the wide gate people, the 2/3's who are going to their destruction. Next to Jesus, Satan has the most names in the Bible.


The Dragon, and the beast, and the false prophet are all the same guy. This is just a poetic way of saying Satan is all of the above. Jesus said Satan's house is not divided. Satan's house has only one king over it. Notice how I called Satan a guy? It's like saying is this the guy who made the earth tremble? Is this the guy who said in his heart:

‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation

Pleased to meet you, won't you guess my name?

ViaCrucis said:

I feel like this can be safely filed under "wild speculations" that I mentioned in a previous post.

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I feel like that's probably the best thing for you to do, file it.

Dave Watchman said:

No he didn't. You're inserting the word "human" in there. It's not a human man. Our man of sin is not a real human man. Although it does have the caveat that it calls for a mind with wisdom, Daniel said only He gives wisdom to the wise.

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No, John says "human", it's right there in the text.

Revelation 13:18
Ὧδε ἡ σοφία ἐστίν ὁ ἔχων τὸν νοῦν ψηφισάτω τὸν ἀριθμὸν τοῦ θηρίου ἀριθμὸς γὰρ ἀνθρώπου ἐστίν καὶ ὁ ἀριθμὸς αὐτοῦ χξς

That word, anthropou, that's "human".

-CryptoLutheran

Dave Watchman said:

Just read it. Just regular comprehension skills. No fancy translation tricks required.

NKJV even put his name there:

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The word "lucifer" is from the Vulgate, the Latin translation of the Bible, it's how the Hebrew word הֵילֵל (helel) is translated into Latin. The word helel means "shining" or "bright" and is the Hebrew word for the morning star (the planet Venus). The Septuagint translates this as ἑωσφόρος meaning "dawn-bringer" and again refers to the "morning star" or Venus.

Dave Watchman said:

The Fall of Lucifer​

12“How you are fallen from heaven,
O [d]Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’
15Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the [e]lowest depths of the Pit.
16“Those who see you will gaze at you,
And consider you, saying:
‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble,
Who shook kingdoms,
17Who made the world as a wilderness
And destroyed its cities,
Who [f]did not open the house of his prisoners?’

First line:

12“How you are fallen from heaven,

(And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. - Jesus, Luke 10:18)

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In the case of what Isaiah is saying, however, the context is the arrogance of the king of Babylon. The king beheld himself as lofty, high, seated among the stars in the heavens, a god--but the king shall fall from heaven, he shall be disgraced. This is not a literal fall from heaven, but a humiliation where the king shall be laid low.

Dave Watchman said:

13For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;

The king of Babylon, the king of the north, or the Assyrian is not talking about a human man. Nebuchadnezzar did not fall from heaven, (like lightning). I knew this was talking about Satan the first time I read it when I was a kid. It's simple. Basic.

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The king of Babylon isn't the king of the north, a reference to the Seleucid king Antioches IV who we can read about in 1 Maccabees who committed numerous violent acts against the Jews, including the desecration of the Temple. This is what led to the Maccabean revolt.

But, again, the king is pompous, exalting himself--but he will be humiliated, crushed, brought low. This is poetic language to describe the king's downfall.

Dave Watchman said:

This to me is basic. It could be the Bible version your using or the church teachings you grew up with. It just takes a bit of discernment to nuance the meaning out of the Script.

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I grew up in a church that taught that this was about Satan. I believe it is important to take the Bible seriously and not just believe what I'm told what the Bible says and means, and so make a point to read it and ask questions. Some Christian thinkers began to look at this passage in Isaiah and saw in it an allegory that described not just the fall of a human king, but a veiled reference to the fall of Satan. That interpretation has, at least in modern times, become very widespread. But it's based on an allegorical reading of Isaiah 14,

Dave Watchman said:

Here, I googled a couple for you:

"Most evidently by these words is he shown to have fallen from heaven, who formerly was Lucifer, and who used to arise in the morning. For if, as some think, he was a nature of darkness, how is Lucifer said to have existed before? Or how could he arise in the morning, who had in himself nothing of the light? Nay, even the Saviour Himself teaches us, saying of the devil, “Behold, I see Satan fallen from heaven like lightning.” - Origen of Alexandria, from De principiis (On First Principles), Bk. I.v.5​

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"And what is said in many places, and especially in Isaiah, of Nebuchadnezzar, cannot be explained of that individual. For the man Nebuchadnezzar neither fell from heaven, nor was he the morning star, nor did he arise upon the earth in the morning. - De principiis, Bk. IV.i.22​

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Like I said, some early Christian thinkers, such as Origen, saw a veiled reference to the devil.

But Isaiah wasn't talking about the devil, but a human king. Origen sees in this a veiled reference to the devil.

Dave Watchman said:

Paul called the man of sin the son of perdition. Perdition means "utter destruction". Son of Perdition was first used for Judas Iscariot. And just then Satan entered into him. God calls Satan a "man". Paul didn't have google or the internet. He always would draw from the OT for reference. Paul's "man" of sin was Satan from Isiah 14. Is this the "man" ?

Is this the man who made the earth tremble,
Who shook kingdoms,
17Who made the world as a wilderness
And destroyed its cities,

God can call Satan a "man". Daniel called the angel Gabriel a "man" in verse 21 of Chapter 9. Christ called Himself the Son of Man.
666 is the number of the second beast, the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit. His name is Abaddon, and Apollyon. In Hebrew and in Greek his name means destroyer, or destruction. He is the son of perdition, or the son of destruction. The number of his name is 666, the wide gate people, the 2/3's who are going to their destruction. Next to Jesus, Satan has the most names in the Bible.

"And I saw, coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs.​

The Dragon, and the beast, and the false prophet are all the same guy. This is just a poetic way of saying Satan is all of the above. Jesus said Satan's house is not divided. Satan's house has only one king over it. Notice how I called Satan a guy? It's like saying is this the guy who made the earth tremble? Is this the guy who said in his heart:

‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation

Pleased to meet you, won't you guess my name?

I feel like that's probably the best thing for you to do, file it.

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This gets to some pretty bizarre readings.

"And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems on its horns and blasphemous names on its heads. And the beast that I saw was like a leopard; its feet were like a bear's, and its mouth was like a lion's mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority." - Revelation 13:1-2

If both the dragon and the beast are Satan, then replace both words in the text with "Satan" and tell me if that makes any sense.

"And to Satan Satan gave his power" The devil gives himself his power?

-CryptoLutheran

beedoux said:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

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Which is a reference to a man. Lucifer is how the Hebrew word for "shining" or "bright" gets translated into Latin. The Septuagint translates this as eosphoros, "dawn-bringer", while in Latin (i.e. the Vulgate) translates this as "lucifer".

Early English translations, such as the KJV, chose to retain the Vulgate's word choice.

In any case, this word refers to the planet Venus, the morning star. There are several things going on here in this epithet, in the ancient world the "planets" (not to be confused with the modern definition of a planet) or "wanderers" as they were known (the sun, the moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn) were very often viewed as gods. This is a common theme that runs across ancient cultures, from Babylon, to Egypt, to the Greeks, to the Romans. That's why, even today, the names of all the planets still have their Roman names: Mercury, Venus, Mars, etc; modern astronomers kept this tradition even after they discovered that the earth orbits the sun, and the planets started to be understood as we understand them today, and we started discovering more planets in our solar neighborhood--Uranus, Neptune, Pluto (with Pluto reclassified as a dwarf planet in modern astronomy). There's also the fact that kings deified themselves, they were to living earthly representatives of the gods/highest god, again we see this across cultures from Babylon to Egypt to Rome and beyond; the king therefore was among the gods, a man who represented the heavens--the realm of the gods--and who himself was to be regarded as a living god here on earth.

When the Prophet says "How you are fallen from the heavens, O morning star, son of the morning! How you are brought down to the ground, you who made nations weak! You said in your heart, 'I will ascend to the heavens, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God'" this is the hubris of the king in contrast to the fact that he is nothing but a mortal, and he will die, "Yet you shall be brought down to She'ol" i.e., he's going to die, he's going to be buried in the dirt as a very dead man, "to the sides of the pit".

This is very much about a mortal man, not the devil.

It does, however, offer language that reflects the traditional understanding of the devil's fall; and this mirroring of language--the devil as fallen, having fallen from the heavens after his own pride and arrogance, and destined for the place of the second death, to "the fires prepared for the devil and his angels from the beginning" is quite stark--and early Christian interpreters saw that, and so this passage has come to be viewed in that way.

That doesn't change the fact that the Prophet Isaiah was talking about a mortal human being, and it tells us explicitly who he is, he's the king of Babylon.

It's important when we do biblical exegesis that we take the text for what it is saying, and not impose what we want onto the text. From a poetic perspective, I think there is something poetic in viewing this text as about not just a human king (and the application to any would-be tyrant who would think him or herself as god-like, that such hubris will mean nothing once they are six feet under); there is a poetic and figurative reflection of the devil's own hubris and his ultimate doom; indeed the devil is already conquered for Christ has conquered him. The serpent is crushed beneath the foot of Christ, who rose from the dead, and wields the keys of death and hades--for He has conquered and defeated them. And the Day is coming when they shall be fully put to rest, and God will be all in all.

-CryptoLutheran

rockytopva said:

I had a friend ask if I traded in bitcoin. My reply was that I believe that an Elon Musk figure will be the Beast of Revelation, Bitcoin will be the currency, and the mark will be the credit card...

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. - Revelations 13

In the near future there will be no need for credit cards or personal id. There will be a mark on the hand or forehead that people will scan. This will be the way to do business. It will just be another tattoo for many. One will be able to travel without personal identification like drivers licenses, credit cards, or passports. The ID will include the numbers 666. All you will need to do is swipe your ID and you will be good to go... But scripture says...

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: - Revelation 14

The reason why this will be a scanable tattoo is because it will be placed on the hand or forehead... A place where no hair grows to interfere with the scan.

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I personally believe the mark of the beast will be initiated through implantations of microchips in the hand or in the forehead.

People are already using this technology, simplifying their life.

They are trying to ban this in the US but it hasn't become a government issue. If we ever get to the point and I believe we will, that cryptocurrency or biocoins become the means to buy, sell, and trade, microchipping will be mandated by the government. After all it will be the government that will mandate digital currency.

Tattooing or barcoding in my opinion is a bit too fixed, how would it be upgraded on humans? Would they have to change the tattoo or barcode? Or do they just add new information the tattoo or barcode already in the system?

Either way the technology is here, the mark of the beast can NOW be implicated, so as Christians as we were warned be vigilant, alert, and watch.

rockytopva said:

Will the beast be a form of AI-Super-Intelligence?

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"The number of a man", innit?

Jipsah said:

"The number of a man", innit?

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Not Hollywood enough. We want less Augustine or Chrysostom and more Michael Bay and Zac Snyder.

-CryptoLutheran