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Why do you think that " their characters are unchanged" ? Did not your character change when you saw Jesus for who he truly is? If so why would you think that they would be any different?
Agreed
We don't have to have names. We are told whosoever is not in the book of life will be thrown in. That sums it up completely. Again, the devils and angels that sinned are not in that book of life so it stands to reason that part of Judgment Day is not about them. They've already been judged and the lake of fire prepared.
"We" have also been given the grace to pray for and hope for the very best for everyone:
Yes, but that's not the point I was making. You seem to believe that only Satan and his angels are set for the Lake of Fire and that's not what the Bible states -whosoever not found in the book of life(this excludes Satan and his angels) were thrown into the Lake of Fire. That is the second death.
Perhaps you can agree with a basic understanding within "most" of Christianity, that is,
There is no sense praying for your foregone conclusion. It's a waste of breath and of no faith
In no way have I ever stated that. I believe Christ's words in that the Lake of Fire is the second death. Which coincides with his teaching in Matthew 10:28. That is a fact from scripture. Christ's words not mine.
We can face a certain fact that we are all technically terminated in Christ in order to be joined to His Body
But your version of God just can't get the job done.
No, you only have issues with the verses I posted about the Second Death. You have not addressed them at all and go in a different direction.
My position is this
Are you going to claim that no one other than those who believe "like you" LOVE, and therefore know God and are BORN OF GOD?
You're argument is with the Word not me. I take my position from these words. It seems you continually can't address them.
Well, I'd rather take our Father's/ Christ's word over yours'
There are God's Words which we all live by, emphasis ALL LIVE by. Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4, Deut. 8:3
The irony being you continue to ignore the scriptures I posted.
Your words at the end not God's. Your accusation is false for I am not the author of the words below which you continue to ignore. Only contradicting the very verses you posted above.
I never stated that. And I always continue to pray for others. But I'm not going to omit verses to produce a doctrine I don't feel is biblical.
Romans chapters nine ten and eleven are profoundly encouraging as well.
What makes you think I have a problem with any scripture.?
There is no contradiction in God's Words. For good, against evil. Simple. Done.
What doctrine are you speaking about? That doctrine that actually believes Jesus IS the Savior of the world and actually GETS THE JOB DONE? You mean that doctrine?
You must be joking. You certainly have a problem with every scripture/verse I have posted. Your silence speaks volumes.
Do you openly deny that we are told if we resist him, he will flee? Do you openly deny that God himself searches the heart? I find it very sad that you continue to tie your life to the devil in this way. Is everyone perfect? No. We are all tempted and fall short at times. But can we strive to walk in the light? Yes. And that means we can continue to always try and resist the devil and submit ourselves to God. I'm guessing you're not able to for the most part? It can take time to mature in that aspect. Again, no one will ever be perfect. We will always miss the mark in flesh bodies. But we should always try and put the spirit over the flesh. And God is the heart knower.
The doctrine that believes the Second Death only applies to Satan and his angels. Christ himself would prove you wrong and has given us his Word on that. He's told us, he's warned us about repenting, etc. Anyone not written in the book of life will be thrown into the Lake of Fire. It would be a denial to suggest otherwise. Christ did get the job done -meaning he is Savior to the entire world. Meaning he is it, there is no other way but someone can certainly not accept that, believe that, obey the gospel, and so on.
It's going to be a lot harder when the ends come. Apostasy will happen, etc. If someone is in that time period Christ himself states in your patience, possess your souls. We have to hold onto our faith until the end, never wavering as Paul states. We all have to sail our own boats I can't decide or judge anyone's fate. I can only pray for them including myself that I will not fall away, etc. Will I stumble for sure, am I tempted, of course but we can separate from the devil. Is that a one time thing? No. We have to be on guard. That's what the gospel armor is for. But again, I am sad that you think and believe you can't.
Seriously, you haven't read the the bible in it's entirety have you? I only did myself for the first time a little over 20 years ago. But that's the only thing that would explain to me why you omit scripture like you do. So it's an honest question.
