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Trump Demands Washington Commanders Return To Original Name 'Immediately'

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Both NAGA and the Native Times are run by a whole bunch of American Indians.
See above, He's a fake. Funded by a PR firm for the owners.
"Redskin" as you have conceded. is a racist slur; "indian" is merely a misnomer.
Again, why is it so hard for you to just call people what they want to be called? "Redskin" is a racial slur. No way to get around it.
Indian booster for Washington Redskins is not an Indian

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/10/10/report-indian-booster-for-washington-redskins-is-not-an-indian/
 
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See above, He's a fake. Funded by a PR firm for the owners.
"Redskin" as you have conceded. is a racist slur; "indian" is merely a misnomer.
Again, why is it so hard for you to just call people what they want to be called? "Redskin" is a racial slur. No way to get around it.
Indian booster for Washington Redskins is not an Indian

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/10/10/report-indian-booster-for-washington-redskins-is-not-an-indian/
Did you watch the video in that link which has Indians saying they don't have a problem with redskins? That it's only white people who don't know anything about them making a fuss? According to many American Indians - Not One - But Many - They do not mind being called Redskins or Indians.

Watch your own 2 minute video:

 
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Did you watch the video in that link which has Indians saying they don't have a problem with redskins?
It was produced by a PR firm working for the Washington team owners. LIke Yancey, a fake.
 
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It was produced by a PR firm working for the Washington team owners. LIke Yancey, a fake.
Those weren't fake American Indians. Can you find any American Indians saying it's fake? Or any American Indians saying they're offended by "Indian", "Redskin", "Redman"? So far you've only cited a couple of white men. Unless you can find some American Indians to back you up, it seems pretty clear that all of the outrage is an invention of liberal white people.
 
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It was produced by a PR firm working for the Washington team owners. LIke Yancey, a fake.


Indian booster for Washington Redskins is not an Indian
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/10/10/report-indian-booster-for-washington-redskins-is-not-an-indian/
You keep trying to boil the whole thing down to just one person, when many American Indians have spoken about it. You've posted what white man Justin Moyer has to say umpteen times. But you've yet to post anything American Indians have to say aginst the use of "Redskins".
 
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Donald Trump demanded that the Washington Commanders return to their former, more controversial name "immediately," in a Sunday morning Truth Social Post.

Trump said there is a "big clamoring" for the team to be renamed the "Washington Redskins Football Team." He also called for the Cleveland Guardians to revert their name back to the Cleveland Indians."

"Our great Indian people, in massive numbers, want this to happen. Their heritage and prestige is systematically being taken away from them.


He seems to think that, as king, he is entitled to tell private companies what to do, as well as being entitled to speak for Native Americans.
He's really opened up a can of worms by saying that he might withhold funds for a new stadium if they don't return to the old name.
 
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Donald Trump demanded that the Washington Commanders return to their former, more controversial name "immediately," in a Sunday morning Truth Social Post.

Trump said there is a "big clamoring" for the team to be renamed the "Washington Redskins Football Team." He also called for the Cleveland Guardians to revert their name back to the Cleveland Indians."

"Our great Indian people, in massive numbers, want this to happen. Their heritage and prestige is systematically being taken away from them.


He seems to think that, as king, he is entitled to tell private companies what to do, as well as being entitled to speak for Native Americans.
I wouldn't think that all team nicknames would be as offensive as "Redskins", which about 66% of native Americans find offensive.
 
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Abstract


While major organizations representing Native Americans (e.g., National Congress of American Indians, n.d.) contend that Native mascots are stereotypical and dehumanizing, sports teams with Native mascots cite polls claiming their mascots are not offensive to Native people (Vargas, 2019). We conducted a large-scale, empirical study to provide a valid and generalizable understanding of Native Americans’ (N=1021) attitudes toward Native mascots. Building on the identity centrality literature, we examined how multiple aspects of Native identification uniquely shaped attitudes towards mascots. While Native Americans in our sample generally opposed Native mascots, especially the Redskins, attitudes varied according to demographic characteristics (e.g., age, political orientation, education) and the strength of participants’ racial-ethnic identification. Specifically, stronger Native identification (behavioral engagement and identity centrality) predicted greater opposition. Results highlight the importance of considering the unique and multifaceted aspects of identity, particularly when seeking to understand Native people’s attitudes and experiences.


About 49% of Native Americans thought that "Redskins" was offensive as a team name.
 
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Huh. Was born in the US, so I thought that made me a native.

Be that as it may, my wife has known American Indian ancestry and isn't offended by names based on American Indians. I might have some American Indian ancestry as well, but that's unconfirmed and comes from some American Indians who've asked if I'm an American Indian. Given my ancestors were in North America before there was a US, that's possible. I suppose that means my not finding it offensive doesn't count.

Whatever.

Seem to recall, though, that a President Biden urged MLB to move the All Star Games out of Atlanta in 2021. It's not as though there isn't a precedent for a US president to get involved in more than throwing out the first pitch at a baseball game.

I do know my wife was offended by changing the names of the Redskins and Indians changing their names to Commanders and Guardians.

So...when are they going to change the names of the Fighting Irish and Celtics?
 
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So...when are they going to change the names of the Fighting Irish and Celtics?
Two things:
1. Celtic is what Celts call themselves. But we pronounce it with a "K" sound.
2. We aren't offended by being characterized as pugnacious.
 
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Different polls have yielded conflicting results regarding how Native Americans perceive the term "redskin"
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Some polls indicate that a majority of Native Americans are not offended by the term, while other studies suggest that a significant portion finds it offensive.
  • A 2016 survey published in The Washington Post found that 9 in 10 Native Americans were not bothered by the Washington Redskins name.
  • However, a 2020 study conducted by UC Berkeley and the University of Michigan found that nearly half of Native American participants considered the name to be offensive.
The divergence in these findings may stem from differences in methodology, such as how questions were posed, and the demographics of the populations surveyed. For example, the UC Berkeley study highlights that individuals with strong ties to Native American culture or tribal affiliations were more likely to find the term offensive.
Many civil rights, educational, athletic, and academic organizations consider the use of Native American names and symbols by non-Native sports teams to be a form of harmful ethnic stereotyping. The Washington Redskins, facing decades of opposition, retired the name in 2020 and are now known as the Washington Commanders.
The term "redskin" is generally considered a racial slur for Native Americans and First Nations individuals in the United States and Canada. Modern dictionaries of American English label it as offensive, disparaging, or insulting. While the term may have had different uses in the past, its contemporary usage is largely seen as problematic.
Ultimately, whether a particular Native American individual is offended by the term "redskin" can depend on their personal experiences, cultural background, and individual perspectives.
 
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Two things:
1. Celtic is what Celts call themselves. But we pronounce it with a "K" sound.
2. We aren't offended by being characterized as pugnacious.
Just as my wife isn't offended by naming teams Indians and Redskins and such.
 
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Different polls have yielded conflicting results regarding how Native Americans perceive the term "redskin"
.
Some polls indicate that a majority of Native Americans are not offended by the term, while other studies suggest that a significant portion finds it offensive.
  • A 2016 survey published in The Washington Post found that 9 in 10 Native Americans were not bothered by the Washington Redskins name.
  • However, a 2020 study conducted by UC Berkeley and the University of Michigan found that nearly half of Native American participants considered the name to be offensive.
The divergence in these findings may stem from differences in methodology, such as how questions were posed, and the demographics of the populations surveyed. For example, the UC Berkeley study highlights that individuals with strong ties to Native American culture or tribal affiliations were more likely to find the term offensive.
Many civil rights, educational, athletic, and academic organizations consider the use of Native American names and symbols by non-Native sports teams to be a form of harmful ethnic stereotyping. The Washington Redskins, facing decades of opposition, retired the name in 2020 and are now known as the Washington Commanders.
The term "redskin" is generally considered a racial slur for Native Americans and First Nations individuals in the United States and Canada. Modern dictionaries of American English label it as offensive, disparaging, or insulting. While the term may have had different uses in the past, its contemporary usage is largely seen as problematic.
Ultimately, whether a particular Native American individual is offended by the term "redskin" can depend on their personal experiences, cultural background, and individual perspectives.
So, if it turns out the Indians who asked if I'm an Indian are right, and I say "What do you mean, paleface?" I'm engaging in a racial slur?
 
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So, if it turns out the Indians who asked if I'm an Indian are right, and I say "What do you mean, paleface?" I'm engaging in a racial slur?
I don’t know….im white and being called “paleface” wouldn’t bother me in the least.
 
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I don’t know….im white and being called “paleface” wouldn’t bother me in the least.
I understand the insult is "white ears."
 
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