Trump's Juneteenth message: "Too many holidays in America ... The workers don't want it either!"

Chesterton · Jun 23, 2025

Hans Blaster said:
What? Who wants to honor slaveholders? Putting down their rebellion is not "honoring them". George Floyd was just some guy whose minor run-in with the police ended in his murder. I'm not seeing what any of this has to do with Juneteenth.

You're the one who suggested it would be appropriate to honor the likes of George Floyd concomitantly with the likes of Gen. Sherman. I mean it's true they were both criminals, but a war criminal and a street criminal are different kinds of criminals.

RDKirk · Jun 23, 2025

truthuprootsevil said:
Juneteenth of Texan thing, Blacks in Texas didn't get the information until 2 years later. Funny how Juneteenth of Texas became a national holiday in the total states of the US, maybe because Texas was the last state to get the notice. And being the last state on the 19th of June it became the official date

That's irony for you.

Hans Blaster · Jun 23, 2025

Chesterton said:
You're the one who suggested it would be appropriate to honor the likes of George Floyd concomitantly with the likes of Gen. Sherman. I mean it's true they were both criminals, but a war criminal and a street criminal are different kinds of criminals.

Sherman didn't die in battle, and no I didn't suggest that we honor George Floyd on Memorial Day. I only pointed out that if wanted to create a holiday to honor George Floyd's murder it would be at the same time as Memorial Day since he died on that weekend that commemoration would be at the same time as Memorial Day and not 3 weeks later at Juneteenth.

ViaCrucis · Jun 25, 2025

Bradskii said:
No mandated annual leave? I know a lot of companies might give ten days, but all the same...that's just crazy. If your company closes between Xmas and New Year then that's half your holidays gone already. Who can work for a year with only one week off?

Getting even a week off would be pretty luxurious. Arguably most working Americans don't even get close to that, I know I don't. I work 5-6 days a week (depending on weekly schedule changes), I don't get vacation time or paid time off. Those sorts of benefits are for the sorts of people who make a lot more money than I do.

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truthuprootsevil · Jun 25, 2025

RDKirk said:
That's irony for you.

So say you

The Barbarian · Jul 21, 2025

Chesterton said:
First of all, the Western Roman empire fell because they had too many holidays.

That's an interesting notion. Evidence?

Chesterton said:
First of all, Juneteenth is a Texas thing, not a national thing.

True, much like Independence Day is a Pennsylvania thing.

Chesterton said:
First of all, George Floyd died, he wasn't killed.

Autopsy Report for George Floyd

Autopsy of George Floyd (May 26, 2020)
HENNEPIN COUNTY MEDICAL EXAMINER’S OFFICE AUTOPSY REPORT ME NO.: 20-3700
CARDIOPULMONARY ARREST COMPLICATING LAW ENFORCEMENT
CASE TITLE: SUBDUAL, RESTRAINT, AND NECK COMPRESSION

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One of the complicating factors is that pressure on the neck causes not only interference with breathing, but also affects large and important veins and arteries in the neck that can lead to a disruption of blood circulation and potentially cause cardiac arrest. A lack of oxygen can also damage or kill the heart muscle, triggering an abnormal electrical signal that can cause sudden cardiac arrest. A knee on the carotid artery can cause a fatal asystole, other arrhythmia, or a fatal stroke. Also, of course, prolonged respiratory arrest will eventually lead to cardiac arrest.

The Hennepin County Chief Medical Examiner Andrew Baker announced his conclusion that George Floyd died not of asphyxiation, but “cardiopulmonary arrest.” In Baker’s opinion, based on the results of his autopsy, Floyd’s medical condition placed him at a higher than usual risk for death or serious injury when subjected to neck pressure. In other words, most suspects, subjected to the same knee pressure as Floyd, probably wouldn’t have died. In particular, Baker noted a thickening and hardening of Floyd’s artery wall, heart disease, and drug use (fentanyl and methamphetamine were found in Floyd’s system) as “significant conditions” contributing to Floyd’s death. Nothing, however, in Baker’s report suggests that the restraint and neck compression applied by Officer Chauvin were not “but-for” causes resulting in Floyd’s death. That is, had the restraint and neck compression not been applied that night, George Floyd would still be alive. Ultimately, Baker ruled the death a homicide.

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Chesterton · Jul 21, 2025

The Barbarian said:
That's an interesting notion. Evidence?

Too many gods. And as the poet Juvenal noted, too much bread and circuses.

The Barbarian said:
True, much like Independence Day is a Pennsylvania thing.

You know there were twelve other colonies that declared independence at the same time.

The Barbarian said:
Autopsy Report for George Floyd

You know there were two reports. The first accurate one, and the second one which was changed under duress for political/legal reasons.

Hans Blaster · Jul 21, 2025

Posted to wrong thread.

RDKirk · Jul 21, 2025

Chesterton said:
Too many gods. And as the poet Juvenal noted, too much bread and circuses.

Rome had been Christian over over a century when it fell. There were no other legal gods when it fell.

There were claims in the following century that Christianity was the reason it fell.

Chesterton · Jul 21, 2025

RDKirk said:
Rome had been Christian over over a century when it fell. There were no other legal gods when it fell.

There were claims in the following century that Christianity was the reason it fell.

No. Constantine gave Rome freedom of religion. All gods were legal.

The Barbarian · Tuesday at 3:00 AM

Chesterton said:
Too many gods. And as the poet Juvenal noted, too much bread and circuses.

Not holidays. That was welfare. Do you have any evidence for the actual claim?

(assertion that Juneteenth celebrates something unique to Texas)
Much like Independence Day is a Pennsylvania thing.

Chesterton said:
You know there were twelve other colonies that declared independence at the same time.

You know there were eight other states in which slaves had been freed at the same time.

Chesterton said:
You know there were two reports. The first accurate one, and the second one which was changed under duress for political/legal reasons.

Show us that. There's only one report, and it shows that the officer killed Floyd. Are you claiming the coroner faked the results? Show us your evidence.

RDKirk · Tuesday at 8:32 AM

Chesterton said:
No. Constantine gave Rome freedom of religion. All gods were legal.

That began Rome's Christianity in 313AD. Estimates are that Rome was at least 25% Christian by that time. Paganism continued a decline; Julian the Apostate tried to revive paganism in 360, but the decline continued.

Theodosius I fully banned paganism in 380 and Rome became an officially Christian nation.

Rome was sacked in 418. The remaining pagans at the time argued that abandoning the old gods had brought divine punishment, a claim that prompted St. Augustine to write The City of God, defending Christianity.

Edit: My point is "too many pagan holidays" wasn't what got Rome sacked.

Augustine didn't even try to make that argument, and he was there.

The Barbarian · Tuesday at 10:09 AM

Chesterton said:
No. Constantine gave Rome freedom of religion. All gods were legal.

Yes, but some religions were more legal than others.

In the year 313, Constantine and Licinius Augustus (the two men who ruled the empire jointly) proclaimed a new law, the Edict of Milan:

“It has pleased us to remove all conditions whatsoever . . . concerning the Christians, and now any one of these who wishes to observe the Christian religion may do so freely and openly, without any disturbance or molestation.” (Edict of Milan)

While Christians were now protected, in 315, Constantine issued a law intended to stop those in the “dangerous sect” of Judaism (the Jews) from persecuting relatives or friends who converted to Christianity. It was also intended to discourage Christians from converting to the “abominable sect,” meaning the Jewish religion. (Laws of Constantine the Great, October 18, 315: Concerning Jews, Heaven-Worshippers, and Samaritans)

Religious inequality was now law of the land and words like “dangerous” and “abominable” set a course for increasing hostility toward and repressive laws against the Jewish People.

https://www.messianicbible.com/feature/constantine-foundations-of-anti-semitism/

FireDragon76 · Tuesday at 10:22 AM

Chesterton said:
Too many gods. And as the poet Juvenal noted, too much bread and circuses.

Bread and circuses were more of a consequence than a cause.

Once the Triumverate rose to power, the idea of the Senate being a serious ruling body was very much up for question, and Julius' Caesar sealed its fate.

As in our time, opportunists eventually figured out how to game the system.

The hollowness of Roman civic religion? That's got alot more credibility. When people don't believe in any kind of moral order, that tends to lead to people acting in a self-interested manner. Roman culture had little or no ability to critique power. They imported Stoicism, which didn't really critique power so much as anesthetize. And by the time of empire, Cynicism was mostly dead, devoid of real existential seriousness.

Chesterton · Tuesday at 1:57 PM

@The Barbarian @RDKirk @FireDragon76

My comment about the empire falling due to too many holidays was mean to be facetious. I guess the joke fell flat.

The Barbarian · Tuesday at 2:20 PM

Chesterton said:
@The Barbarian @RDKirk @FireDragon76

My comment about the empire falling due to too many holidays was mean to be facetious. I guess the joke fell flat.

My bad. Feel free to use my WFTH-I (Warning For The Humor-Impaired) I assume your name here is in homage to G.K. If so, I should have realized the dry humor.

RDKirk · Tuesday at 2:39 PM

Chesterton said:
@The Barbarian @RDKirk @FireDragon76

My comment about the empire falling due to too many holidays was mean to be facetious. I guess the joke fell flat.

Okay.

Don't forget your Poe's Law tags.

Chesterton · Tuesday at 2:40 PM

The Barbarian said:
My bad. Feel free to use my WFTH-I (Warning For The Humor-Impaired) I assume your name here is in homage to G.K. If so, I should have realized the dry humor.

It's not your fault that the joke wasn't a good one.

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