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Are you familiar with the Hell that Jesus descended into and consequently conquered death and the Devil? That is the one I am referring to. I don't know what your last question means. Are you implying that demons and Satan do not reside in Hell?
Please, study it more. I would just repeat myself. You must first realize what hell are you even talking about, you are mixing everything together.
 
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A close Christian friend abandoned me, without so much as 1 witness, because I said something about a verse that I don't think he and many others do not understand. He was very offended.
Refused ever again to discuss God with him.
 
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My comment to him was that the verse "Therefore, a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife and the 2 shall become one flesh".
Clearly, in my opinion, referring to sexual intercourse.
"Cleaving" in the vast majority of cases does not refer to holding onto.

I simply pointed out that and he turned on me with a disgusted look on his face.
 
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What is the message Christians should send?
I think this should answer that question.

“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28‬:‭19‬-‭20‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
 
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"If I see you murder someone I can draw a logical conclusion."

So your logical conclusion is that murderers can't be saved. Really? God refuses to forgive murderers? What is the only unforgivable sin? If someone commits murder, is it possible to repent of that sin? But it'd be in vain because that person already sealed their fate, right?
I feel like the discussion is bouncing back & forth between different sinful situations. Saying that that someone who just murdered someone isn’t saved and saying that murderers can’t be saved are not the same thing. One is referring to their current state and the other is referring to their potential state.
 
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I feel like the discussion is bouncing back & forth between different sinful situations. Saying that that someone who just murdered someone isn’t saved and saying that murderers can’t be saved are not the same thing. One is referring to their current state and the other is referring to their potential state.
I agree from our temporal point of view, but from God's eternal point of view, potential is already realized.
 
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