WHAT DO ULTRA'S BELIEVE ?

Dan Perez · Sunday at 10:50 PM

SO WHAT DOES ULTRA- DISPENSATION MEAN ?

And at one time we had two ULTRA in our Assembly , many years ago , and never pushed. their. theology position towards me. !

And what I do know is that they begin the Body of Christ at Acts 28

And do. make a separation between Israel and the Body of Christ !

And maybe reject Water Baptism !

And reject the Lords Supper !

And do not know how they stand on salvation !

What say you. ?

dan p

Maria Billingsley · Monday at 6:57 AM

Dan Perez said:
SO WHAT DOES ULTRA- DISPENSATION MEAN ?

And at one time we had two ULTRA in our Assembly , many years ago , and never pushed. their. theology position towards me. !

And what I do know is that they begin the Body of Christ at Acts 28

And do. make a separation between Israel and the Body of Christ !

And maybe reject Water Baptism !

And reject the Lords Supper !

And do not know how they stand on salvation !

What say you. ?

dan p

Ulta is teaching that geopolitical Israel will basically be blameless on the last day regardless of their repentance towards Jesus Christ of Nazareth in other words, their nationality saves them not the Messiah. Here is a breakdown by John Hagee, the leader of ultra Dispensationalism:

John Hagee teaches that geopolitical Israel, due to God's unconditional and eternal covenants with the Jewish people, occupies a unique and favored position in divine prophecy, fundamentally distinct from "non-believers" (understood as unredeemed individuals or nations outside of God's chosen covenants). He asserts that while Israel may experience periods of chastisement or refining, these are not for ultimate condemnation but rather to lead them to national repentance and fulfillment of their destiny. Hagee maintains that God's ultimate plan for Israel is restoration, protection, and exaltation during the Millennial Kingdom, where they will be the preeminent nation, and that judgment will primarily fall upon other nations based on how they have treated Israel, aligning with the "sheep and goats" judgment in his eschatology.

Dan Perez · Monday at 12:46 PM

Maria Billingsley said:
Ulta is teaching that geopolitical Israel will basically be blameless on the last day regardless of their repentance towards Jesus Christ of Nazareth in other words, their nationality saves them not the Messiah. Here is a breakdown by John Hagee, the leader of ultra Dispensationalism:

John Hagee teaches that geopolitical Israel, due to God's unconditional and eternal covenants with the Jewish people, occupies a unique and favored position in divine prophecy, fundamentally distinct from "non-believers" (understood as unredeemed individuals or nations outside of God's chosen covenants). He asserts that while Israel may experience periods of chastisement or refining, these are not for ultimate condemnation but rather to lead them to national repentance and fulfillment of their destiny. Hagee maintains that God's ultimate plan for Israel is restoration, protection, and exaltation during the Millennial Kingdom, where they will be the preeminent nation, and that judgment will primarily fall upon other nations based on how they have treated Israel, aligning with the "sheep and goats" judgment in his eschatology.

And a friend of mine. gave my address to an ULTRA group years ago and they have sent me there small booklet.

since then and we did have an. ULTRA. here for a while. !

And I did ask. him a question and he left !!

dan p

Dan Perez · Monday at 6:37 PM

Dan Perez said:
And a friend of mine. gave my address to an ULTRA group years ago and they have sent me there small booklet.

since then and we did have an. ULTRA. here for a while. !

And I did ask. him a question and he left !!

dan p

Dan Perez said:
SO WHAT DOES ULTRA- DISPENSATION MEAN ?

And at one time we had two ULTRA in our Assembly , many years ago , and never pushed. their. theology position towards me. !

And what I do know is that they begin the Body of Christ at Acts 28

And do. make a separation between Israel and the Body of Christ !

And maybe reject Water Baptism !

And reject the Lords Supper !

And do not know how they stand on salvation !

What say you. ?

dan p

And I believe that this Ultra's also believes in Soul Sleep. and is what this ULTRA'S. , believes And in Luke 16:22. , the

rich mans Soul was in Hell. and the Body is in. a grave and his spirit went back to God that gave it in Ecc 12:7. !!

your thoughts ?

dan p

Guojing · Tuesday at 4:56 AM

Dan Perez said:
SO WHAT DOES ULTRA- DISPENSATION MEAN ?

And at one time we had two ULTRA in our Assembly , many years ago , and never pushed. their. theology position towards me. !

And what I do know is that they begin the Body of Christ at Acts 28

And do. make a separation between Israel and the Body of Christ !

And maybe reject Water Baptism !

And reject the Lords Supper !

And do not know how they stand on salvation !

What say you. ?

dan p

Classical start from Acts 2

Hyper starts from Acts 9

Ultra starts from Acts 28.

Basically Ultra feels that only the prison epistles onwards, those written by Paul after Acts 28, are to be considered doctrine for the Body of Christ.

Dan Perez · Tuesday at 12:54 PM

Guojing said:
Classical start from Acts 2

Hyper starts from Acts 9

Ultra starts from Acts 28.

Basically Ultra feels that only the prison epistles onwards, those written by Paul after Acts 28, are to be considered doctrine for the Body of Christ.

And Classical are Acts 2 !

And I. never have seen. myself as. a Hyper. or an Ultra. !

I say that I am a. Pauline Dispensationalist. !

dan p

Guojing · Tuesday at 9:40 PM

Dan Perez said:
And Classical are Acts 2 !

And I. never have seen. myself as. a Hyper. or an Ultra. !

I say that I am a. Pauline Dispensationalist. !

dan p

From what I see of your posts, you probably believe that the Body of Christ began in Mid Acts, so that makes you a hyper

Dan Perez · Tuesday at 11:31 PM

Guojing said:
From what I see of your posts, you probably believe that the Body of Christ began in Mid Acts, so that makes you a hyper

And what I seen in 40 years ., I am Mid- Acts Dispensationalist . Acts 9 where Saul /. Paul was first saved

and 1 Tim 1:15 and 16 is my proof and can defend myself and I know my Major Premise , and

my Conclusion.

And what I have seen Hyper and Ultra. seem very much alike , and do not believe in. Soul sleep and do take the

Lord Supper as written. in. 1 Cor 11:20-34 and there is only One MYSTERY. called Dispensation and

not called Hyper or called Ultra .
dan p

Guojing · Wednesday at 12:31 AM

Dan Perez said:
And what I seen in 40 years ., I am Mid- Acts Dispensationalist . Acts 9 where Saul /. Paul was first saved

and 1 Tim 1:15 and 16 is my proof and can defend myself and I know my Major Premise , and

my Conclusion.

And what I have seen Hyper and Ultra. seem very much alike , and do not believe in. Soul sleep and do take the

Lord Supper as written. in. 1 Cor 11:20-34 and there is only One MYSTERY. called Dispensation and

not called Hyper or called Ultra .
dan p

I would consider myself mid acts as well.

However, I do appreciate Ultras for their perspective on the pre Acts 28 letters written by Paul, esp the letter of 1st Corinthians.

As for the Lord's supper, if you believe in taking it regularly, that is fine, and if you choose not to take at all, I am fine as well.

Dan Perez · Wednesday at 7:14 PM

Guojing said:
I would consider myself mid acts as well.

However, I do appreciate Ultras for their perspective on the pre Acts 28 letters written by Paul, esp the letter of 1st Corinthians.

As for the Lord's supper, if you believe in taking it regularly, that is fine, and if you choose not to take at all, I am fine as well.

And I have watched you and did want to push you and have waited to see what you really stood for!

And for me. 1 and 2 Thess are good for proving Pre -Mil and Pre- Tri. and soul sleep is a NO. .

DAN P

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