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Is This The New Normal?

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Yes, it has developed over time, and it likely will continue to develop because of the current political divide. Trump, in his first term, offered to give the people here under the DACA program citizenship if the left agreed to help fund the border wall. Guess what the answer was. It was obviously a no because they didn’t want to help fund Trump’s border wall OR solve the problem. Trump was willing to compromise, the left wasn’t. So I don’t see any hope of there being a resolution on this issue.

The left repeatedly refuses to compromise on immigration. Democrats often campaign on this issue, but do not address it once in office.

The same applies to the GOP. Last year, a bipartisan immigration bill written by James Lankford stalled in the Senate because candidate Trump wanted to keep it as a campaign issue.

Both parties bear responsibility for the situation.

Furthermore, our strong partisanship often prevents voters from acknowledging that our own group shares equal accountability with the opposing side.
 
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The left repeatedly refuses to compromise on immigration. Democrats often campaign on this issue, but do not address it once in office.

The same applies to the GOP. Last year, a bipartisan immigration bill written by James Lankford stalled in the Senate because candidate Trump wanted to keep it as a campaign issue.

Both parties bear responsibility for the situation.

Furthermore, our strong partisanship often prevents voters from acknowledging that our own group shares equal accountability with the opposing side.
Bipartisan in that respect really just means what I can’t say here (those who side with the democrats more than they side with their own.). Nobody really on the right wanted to pass that bill last year precisely because the bill had a quota on how many illegals the left wanted to allow in on a daily basis, and that number precisely mirrored the number they were currently allowing in without the bill. It was a win-win for the Democrats and a lose-lose for the Republicans. That is why.

But to a certain extent, I agree. It’s never been a high priority for the right, but it appears now that the issue has been thrust onto a front burner that the citizens of the country want them, as many as possible, to be deported. They are tired of having to give places like NY and California extra seats in government since at present they base representation on total number of residents instead of the number of citizens. They are tired of having to compete with non-residents for jobs, especially when the illegals will do a job for way less than minimum wage, which is hilarious since the left is the proponent for higher minimum wage. You can’t speak out of both sides of your mouth. If you are pushing higher minimum wage, then you need to knock off supporting illegals working for pennies in the dollar. Choose which side of the issue you want to be on.
 

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It is indeed a sad day that After 250 years of democracy, some Americans believe it is acceptable for the government to deploy the military door to door to apprehend individuals.
Thank goodness for the 3rd Amendment!
 
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And I’m sure you watch CNN and MSNBC for your news.
Why? Do you believe your own propaganda? This is nothing other than a vapid swipe at the generic left which indicates your beliefs but none of my own.
Kamala Harris raised money to bail them out so they could go back to rioting when they were picked up and released.
That is not actually true but if you believe it, then it is not your lie. She tweeted out support for the Minnesota bail fund back in 2020, but did nothing further.


Back when she sent this tweet, after George Floyd was killed, the country was gripped in the largest protests since Vietnam. There was widespread support from both sides of the political aisle for criminal justice reform. Then-President Trump signaled his support, saying, “All Americans were rightly sickened and revolted by the brutal death of George Floyd. My administration is fully committed that, for George and his family, justice will be served.” J.D. Vance, in recently leaked emails, said, “I hate the police. Given the number of negative experiences I’ve had in the past few years, I can’t imagine what a black guy goes through.”


The Minnesota Freedom Fund has denied that Harris has donated any money herself, stating, “It is not correct that then-Sen. Harris has donated to our organization. We have no relationship with Harris beyond a single four-year-old tweet.”
I am not mentioning BLM, I specifically said Antifa who was masked, who caused $20M in damages, and who killed 48 people over the course of the summer. Nothing was done. Nobody was prosecuted. Looting was legalized because somehow stealing large screen TVs is the appropriate way to address the problem.
Check your facts before posting, maybe? Antifa caused damage, but so did the counter-protesters such as the Proud Boys. Biden disclaimed Antifa while Trump told the Proud Boys to "stand back and stand by" but not "stand down".

It is untrue that no one was prosecuted or that nothing was done. Tens of thousands of protesters were arrested and prosecuted.

Records rebut claims of unequal treatment of Jan. 6 rioters
It’s a common refrain from some of those charged in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol and their Republican allies: The Justice Department is treating them harshly because of their political views while those arrested during last year’s protests over racial injustice were given leniency.

Court records tell a different story.

My opinion is that everyone who breaks the law should pay for their crime.
Do you include the current president and administration in this?
But the only ones who paid for their crimes were people on the right side of the aisle.
That is either ignorant or a lie as that is contrary to actual, documented fact.
And since you are alluding to Jan 6, ...
I wasn't. Nowhere in my post did I allude to the insurrection of 2021. Why did you say that?

But, since you bring it up, all the insurrectionists convicted for J6, including the cop beaters, were pardoned without regard to the seriousness of their crimes.

And since you are alluding to Jan 6, not one person on the left was held accountable for their roles in the fiasco from Nancy Pelosi who refused to utilize the National Guard when offered by Trump because of optics to the FBI embedded in with the proud boys who actually started the formulation of the plan to storm the Capitol to the Capitol cop who killed an unarmed woman who was not a danger to him to the DC cop outside the Capitol who shot into the crowd CAUSING the stampede of people running for cover which has been incorrectly labeled a riot. But yes, if the proud boys did something illegal, they should be held accountable.
Nancy Pelosi had nothing to do with whether the National Guard were deployed or not - that was Trump's call. There is no proof that any FBI agents were embedded with the Proud Boys although there were informants. Babbitt was a traitor bent on overthrowing the legal election; as the person at the head of the mob who was actively climbing through a broken window to get to the Senators on the other side, she was taken out as the threat she was. Many Proud Boys (and Three Percenters) were arrested and convicted, but they all got pardoned by the very instigator.
 
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Why? Do you believe your own propaganda? This is nothing other than a vapid swipe at the generic left which indicates your beliefs but none of my own.
Me? I read everything that comes before me, even in this post. But most people on the left refuse to hear anything that runs counter to the leftist narrative, even when it comes from their own side. Case in point, they are trying to cancel Jake Tapper because of his book on Biden's mental health cover-up.

That is not actually true but if you believe it, then it is not your lie. She tweeted out support for the Minnesota bail fund back in 2020, but did nothing further.


The Minnesota Freedom Fund has denied that Harris has donated any money herself, stating, “It is not correct that then-Sen. Harris has donated to our organization. We have no relationship with Harris beyond a single four-year-old tweet.”​

There was a credible report that came out during the presidential campaign that she did support them, I will try to find it.

It is untrue that no one was prosecuted or that nothing was done. Tens of thousands of protesters were arrested and prosecuted.

Thanks for the link. Has interesting stuff on it.

Records rebut claims of unequal treatment of Jan. 6 rioters
It’s a common refrain from some of those charged in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol and their Republican allies: The Justice Department is treating them harshly because of their political views while those arrested during last year’s protests over racial injustice were given leniency.​

Court records tell a different story.​

Can you be more specific, because according to the persons who were detained, themselves, they spent months at a time in solitary confinement and were abused by the prison staff. Most were incarcerated without charges ever being filed.

Thanks for the AP article, from one of the leading left-leaning publications in the country. But speaking to the "dozens of people charged have been convicted of serious crimes and sent to prison." That's great, but there were 1700+ that were arrested. And most of them were not convicted or jailed. Only the "dozens" who committed arson, or other really serious crimes. Compared to the majority who were thrown in jail for January 6 for walking around looking and taking pictures of the building, only a handful actually committed a crime.

But, since you bring it up, all the insurrectionists convicted for J6, including the cop beaters, were pardoned without regard to the seriousness of their crimes.
You all harp on the one cop who was beaten but refuse to acknowledge that one of the cops shot and killed an unarmed woman who was no danger to him, or that another woman was trampled to death from the hysteria (absolutely not a riot) that ensued from a cop shooting into the crowd outside. Neither of them were charged with anything. But nobody else was killed, just 2 Trump supporters. And the person who beat the cop served time in jail for it. The rest served 2-3 years with no charges being filed. THEY are the ones who did not get due process.

Nancy Pelosi had nothing to do with whether the National Guard were deployed or not - that was Trump's call. There is no proof that any FBI agents were embedded with the Proud Boys although there were informants. Babbitt was a traitor bent on overthrowing the legal election; as the person at the head of the mob who was actively climbing through a broken window to get to the Senators on the other side, she was taken out as the threat she was. Many Proud Boys (and Three Percenters) were arrested and convicted, but they all got pardoned by the very instigator.
Nancy Pelosi, as Speaker of the House was in charge of the security of the Capitol. The Sergeant at Arms (who is a member of the Capitol Police Dept.)) reports directly to her. Trump offered her the National Guard, TWICE, and she refused on the grounds of "optics" (because she had recently appeared to support defunding the police, and it wouldn't look good. She, Nancy Pelosi, admitted that very thing to her daughter, who recorded it and turned it over. So there is audio evidence for that.)

The proud boys themselves, said that two "new members" came in and proceeded to ask if there were plans to storm the Capitol, but there weren't, and the "new members" came up with the plan. The FBI refuses to speak to Congress about it because of "ongoing investigations". I believe the proud boys over the swamp.

Please support the statement about Babbitt. She wanted to make her voice heard (her right), and was in the process of climbing through a window when she was shot. She was unarmed and the other cops around the one who shot her lowered their weapons because they deemed that she was no threat. Your comments are so biased that it is unbelievable. Do you mean to tell me that 4 armed men couldn't subdue one small woman? Really?

And, for the record, I believe nothing that comes out of the DoJ's office, him being the person who weaponized the DoJ.

And Trump, The person who offered the National Guard twice, who told the people who came to his speech to peacefully and patriotically go to make their voices heard. I can see how that is instigating. j/k It's OK to have an opinion about something. That was Trump's only fault. It's certainly not nearly as much of an instigation as Biden saying someone has to take out Trump who is a threat to democracy and someone taking him at his word and actually trying to assassinate him. But sure, go peacefully and patriotically can be quite threatening.
 
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Nancy Pelosi, as Speaker of the House was in charge of the security of the Capitol.
Did this get changed, because Mike Johnson isn’t “in charge” of Security at the Capitol?
 
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Yes, it has developed over time, and it likely will continue to develop because of the current political divide. Trump, in his first term, offered to give the people here under the DACA program citizenship if the left agreed to help fund the border wall. Guess what the answer was. It was obviously a no because they didn’t want to help fund Trump’s border wall OR solve the problem. Trump was willing to compromise, the left wasn’t. So I don’t see any hope of there being a resolution on this issue.

That is not correct.
On January 2018, at an open WH meeting with congressional leaders from both parties, President Trump offered to support a "Clean DACA Bill" as proposed by Sen Feinsten at the meeting:

He later reneged and demanded funding for a border wall and ending what he called "chain migration."

He had an opportunity to resolve the DACA issue....and refused.
 
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Doubtful, and I’m not interested in convincing anyone of anything.

And yet you made this thread asking “is this the new normal?” Along side footage with no context, on a public forum. So it seems like you are trying to sway someone’s opinion.



You either get it or you don’t.

I wonder what this ambiguous “it” I’m supposed to get is. I guess I’m not getting an answer to that either.
 
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Just normal police work in America according to some of our friends here on these boards. Everyone remembers when Obama militarized American cities to enforce his agenda.
This a result of cause and effect. Action and reaction.

The Democrats caused an extraordinary problem by enabling an enormous amount of people to enter the country illegally and unvetted.

And now the Republicans are using extraordinary measures to fix the extraordinary problem.
 
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And yet you made this thread asking “is this the new normal?” Along side footage with no context, on a public forum. So it seems like you are trying to sway someone’s opinion.
It’s a simple question. Is a militarized response to domestic issues and policing the new normal?
I wonder what this ambiguous “it” I’m supposed to get is. I guess I’m not getting an answer to that either.
No.
 
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This a result of cause and effect. Action and reaction.

The Democrats caused an extraordinary problem by enabling an enormous amount of people to enter the country illegally and unvetted.

And now the Republicans are using extraordinary measures to fix the extraordinary problem.
Yes, there you go. A final solution to the Democrat problem.
 
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Because the Speaker of the House WAS NEVER IN CHARGE OF SECURITY, that’s how.
So, even after being asked, you never looked it up. I see.

According to Politifact's fact checker, there is a hierarchy of persons involved in the security of the Capitol. There is a sergeants-at-arms for the House and one for the Senate. The Sergeant-at-Arms for the senate reported (at the time) to Chuck Schumer, and the Sergeant-at-Arms for the House reported (at the time) to Nancy Pelosi (which I stated in my post). The Sergeants-at-Arms are members of the Capitol Police (which I stated).

Twice, prior to January 6, President Trump informed Nancy Pelosi that he heard there was going to be a large crowd gathering in Washington and offered the National Guard for protection. Twice. He needed to make that offer, and he did. Twice. Nancy Pelosi and the Sergeant-at-Arms refused citing "optics". We see what happened. Was she solely responsible, no. That's ludicrous, but had she accepted the National Guard when it was offered, this would not have happened.

No, US Capitol security is not only Pelosi’s responsibility

I mistakenly implied that she, alone was in charge of Capitol security, and that was an error. She is part of the security hierarchy and as such, had the right to accept use of the National Guard when it was offered.
 
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So, even after being asked, you never looked it up. I see.

According to Politifact's fact checker, there is a hierarchy of persons involved in the security of the Capitol. There is a sergeants-at-arms for the House and one for the Senate. The Sergeant-at-Arms for the senate reported (at the time) to Chuck Schumer, and the Sergeant-at-Arms for the House reported (at the time) to Nancy Pelosi (which I stated in my post). The Sergeants-at-Arms are members of the Capitol Police (which I stated).

Twice, prior to January 6, President Trump informed Nancy Pelosi that he heard there was going to be a large crowd gathering in Washington and offered the National Guard for protection. Twice. He needed to make that offer, and he did. Twice. Nancy Pelosi and the Sergeant-at-Arms refused citing "optics". We see what happened. Was she solely responsible, no. That's ludicrous, but had she accepted the National Guard when it was offered, this would not have happened.

No, US Capitol security is not only Pelosi’s responsibility

I mistakenly implied that she, alone was in charge of Capitol security, and that was an error. She is part of the security hierarchy and as such, had the right to accept use of the National Guard when it was offered.

But feel free to provide documentation of your version of events.

From a source more reliable than Donald Trump, please.

-- A2SG, few are less reliable.....
 
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But feel free to provide documentation of your version of events.

From a source more reliable than Donald Trump, please.

-- A2SG, few are less reliable.....
So the left, with all their mind-reading abilities, has just decided that they don’t believe Trump offered the National Guard. However, the Politifact page, itself, states they refused the offer due to optics. You can’t have it both ways.
 
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This a result of cause and effect. Action and reaction.

The Democrats caused an extraordinary problem by enabling an enormous amount of people to enter the country illegally and unvetted.

And now the Republicans are using extraordinary measures to fix the extraordinary problem.

What makes you think this new militarized police force will stop with illegal immigrants?
 
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