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WHY WATER BAPTISM WILL DISAPPEAR AND THEN REAPPEAR !!

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That is pretty much what I just wrote.

Did you read verse 6 ?
"And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins."
Wasn't the Jordan a river of water ?

It means that John wondered why the wicked had come to him to have their past sins washed away.
# 1 And I will only do it one more time as what John said as why the Greek word , the Holy Spirit used the Greek word.

Baptisma in Matt 3:7 ?
It means that the Pharisees. and Sadducees were covering them self . incase. they bet on. the wrong Horse .
and we now from Acts 28:25-28 . Israel was set aside . some 40. years later .

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# 1 Add the will only do it one more time as what John said as why the Greek word , he Holy Spirit used the Greek word
I cannot decipher what you wrote.
Baptisma in Matt 3:7 ?
Yep, with water from the Jordan.
It means that the Pharisees. and Sadducees were covering their them self . incase. tech bet on. the wrong Horse .
and we now from Acts 28:25-28 . Israel was set aside . some 40. years later .

dan p
As it is written later that the Pharisees and scribes didn't believe John, (Luke 20:5), I cannot agree with your POV.
 
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I cannot decipher what you wrote.

Yep, with water from the Jordan.

As it is written later that the Pharisees and scribes didn't believe John, (Luke 20:5), I cannot agree with your POV.
And in Eph 4:5 it reads , One Lord , One Faith , One Baptisma. is What the Greek says , and prove it. wrong. by

checking the Greek Text !!

And One / HEIS. , means Only One , so who is it ?? One Father , One Son. , One ??

And have you ever read Eze chapters 36 - 37 - 38. ?

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And in Eph 4:5 it reads , One Lord , One Faith , One Baptisma. is What Greek says , and prove it. wrong. by checking
the Greek Text !!

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That is right.
GR 908...
Baptisma means baptism consisting in the processes of immersion, submersion, and emergence.
 
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That is right.
GR 908...
Baptisma means baptism consisting in the processes of immersion, submersion, and emergence.
And Paul wrote the Gospel of God only as written in Rom 1:1 having been separated. /. Aphorizo. and this Greek word means

that Paul had boundaries. and Limited to only preach God's Gospel AND excluded Water Baptism ( and 1 COR 1:15

says so .

And Eph 4:5 says , One Lord , One Faith , One Baptisma and as Eph 4:4 in the One Body and One Spirit is

what Baptisma means in Eph 4:5 and Baptisma is written 22nnntimes beginning in Matt 3:7 through 1 Peter 3:21

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And Paul wrote the Gospel of God only as written in Rom 1:1 having been separated. /. Aphorizo. and this Greek word means

that Paul had boundaries. and Limited to only preach God's Gospel AND excluded Water Baptism ( and 1 COR 1:15

says so .

And Eph 4:5 says , One Lord , One Faith , One Baptisma and as Eph 4:4 in the One Body and One Spirit is

what Baptisma means in Eph 4:5 and Baptisma is written 22nnntimes beginning in Matt 3:7 through 1 Peter 3:21

dan p
It saddens me to think that you have relegated Peter's Acts 2:38 doctrine of water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sin to the scrap heap.
I am glad Ananias in Acts 22:16 didn't hold your misbelief, or Paul would never have become such a holy teacher.
 
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It saddens me to think that you have relegated Peter's Acts 2:38 doctrine of water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sin to the scrap heap.
I am glad Ananias in Acts 22:16 didn't hold your misbelief, or Paul would never have become such a holy teacher.
And what saddens me is this of Acts 2;38 is what is written , be baptized. ( no water here , Hydor }. in the name of of Jesus. Christ for the forgiveness. of sins and you will receive the GIFT of the Holy Spirit. !!

# 1. The Greek for Water /. hydro. , is Not in the Greek Text

# 2 And Acts was Witten to Israel in Acts 3:36 Therefore , let the House of ISRAEL. firmly know that God HAD made. Him
both. Lord. and Christ , this Jesus whom you have CRUCIFIED , and Luke is NOT taking about the Body of Christ !!

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And what saddens me is this of Acts 2;38 is what is written , be baptized. ( no water here , Hydor }. in the name of of Jesus. Christ for the forgiveness. of sins and you will receive the GIFT of the Holy Spirit. !!

# 1. The Greek for Water /. hydro. , is Not in the Greek Text

# 2 And Acts was Witten to Israel in Acts 3:36 Therefore , let the House of ISRAEL. firmly know that God HAD made. Him
both. Lord. and Christ , this Jesus whom you have CRUCIFIED , and Luke is NOT taking about the Body of Christ !!

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"Water" doesn't need to be in the Greek text.
There was no other way to get baptized, besides with with water.
It is what John used, unto repentance, (and remission of sins).
Nothing changed between John's and Peter's baptisms, other than using Jesus' name during the rite.
 
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"Water" doesn't need to be in the Greek text.
There was no other way to get baptized, besides with with water.
It is what John used, unto repentance, (and remission of sins).
Nothing changed between John's and Peter's baptisms, other than using Jesus' name during the rite.
And maybe Paul name does not. also or the Greek word Baptism. need to be in. the Greek Text ?
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And maybe Paul name does not.
Paul's name will not remit sins, if used during baptism.
Neither will baptism in Paul's name grant entrance into Paul, as baptism does into Jesus, when using the name of Jesus Christ...(or Father, Son, and Holy Ghost)
also or the Greek word Baptism. need to be in. the Greek Text ?
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Huh ?
 
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Peter's first commands to the early church, included water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ, to wash away past sins.
If done after a true repentance from sin, it would garner the gift of the Holy Ghost.
It really means exactly what is written.
# 1 Acts 2:38 Peter . is NOT speaking to the Body of Christ. !

# 2 And in verse 36 , Peter is speaking to Israel !

# 3 And Peter is not Speaking to the early church ,

# 4 The word EKKLISA. does not mean church , ask EKK , means , called out and LESIA , means assembly

# 5. And there no Greek word for Water / HYDOR !

# 6 Israel is called to repent. and Acts 28:25-28 , says they did not. Repent

# 7. And in. Acts 1:5 , John did water baptize and soon you will be GIVEN / BAPRIZED , the Holy Spirit. !!
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# 1 Acts 2:38 Peter . is NOT speaking to the Body of Christ. !
He is speaking to those he hopes will soon join the body of Christ.
3000 did later !
# 2 And in verse 36 , Peter is speaking to Israel !
Yep, plus all the foreigners present.
# 3 And Peter is not Speaking to the early church ,
He is speaking to those he hopes will join the church.
# 4 The word EKKLISA. does not mean church , ask EKK , means , called out and LESIA , means assembly
That sounds just like the church !
An assembly, of the called out !
# 5. And there no Greek word for Water / HYDOR !
If there is no word for water in the Greek, why do you keep providing one ?
# 6 Israel is called to repent. and Acts 28:25-28 , says they did not. Repent
All men are called to repent, of sin.
Where did it say they did not ?
# 7. And in. Acts 1:5 , John did water baptize and soon you will be GIVEN / BAPRIZED , the Holy Spirit. !!
dan p
I was baptized with the Holy Ghost shortly after I turned from sin and was water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of my past sin.
Exactly like Peter said I would be, in Acts 2:38.
 
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He is speaking to those he hopes will soon join the body of Christ.
3000 did later !

Yep, plus all the foreigners present.

He is speaking to those he hopes will join the church.

That sounds just like the church !
An assembly, of the called out !

If there is no word for water in the Greek, why do you keep providing one ?

All men are called to repent, of sin.
Where did it say they did not ?

I was baptized with the Holy Ghost shortly after I turned from sin and was water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of my past sin.
Exactly like Peter said I would be, in Acts 2:38.
And there. a Greek word for Water /. Hydor and that is not always in the text , and when not there you always

provide one , whether. it is there or Not .
And in. Acts 2:38 , Peter is speaking to the House of Isreal. , and not to the Body. of Christ , Yes or. No. ??

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And there. a Greek word for Water /. Hydor and that is not always in the text , and when not there you always

provide one , whether. it is there or Not .
I will go with the context of each scriptural reference to baptism, on where I understand "water" to be implied.
If a man is dong the baptizing, it must be with water.
And in. Acts 2:38 , Peter is speaking to the House of Isreal. , and not to the Body. of Christ , Yes or. No. ??
dan p
The people present on the day of Pentecost, included both members of the church and those who were not.
Peter was answering a question from the visitors to Jerusalem for the holiday.
The message is as valid today, as it was 2000 years ago.
 
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That is right.
GR 908...
Baptisma means baptism consisting in the processes of immersion, submersion, and emergence.
And Eph 4:5 does mean One Lord , One Faith , One Spirit. !!

And Acts 1:5 reads , For John indeed. Baptized /. Baptize. , with Water /. HYDOR. , But you will be BAPTIZED , no water here ,

with Holy SPIRIT , NOT / OU , is a Disjunctive Particle. Negative , meaning Nottttt. , many days after .

And your thoughts on Mark 16:16-18 ??

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And Eph 4:5 does mean One Lord , One Faith , One Spirit. !!
Agreed.
And Acts 1:5 reads , For John indeed. Baptized /. Baptize. , with Water /. HYDOR. , But you will be BAPTIZED , no water here , with Holy SPIRIT , NOT / OU , is a Disjunctive Particle. Negative , meaning Nottttt. , many days after .
Correct, as he was referring to the baptism of the Holy Spirit and not water baptism done in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.
And your thoughts on Mark 16:16-18 ??
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That is referring to water baptism in the Lord's name for the remission of sins.
It was a command to men, who cannot themselves baptize with the Holy Ghost.
Baptism of the Holy Spirit is God's doing, and not man's.
 
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One of the FIRST TIME the Greek word BAPTISM appears to me is in 1 Cor 10:2 and reads , And all were BAPTIZED TOGETHER

unto MOSES in the CLOUD and in the SEA ! Since their were thousands to cross the RED SEA and with thousand EGYTIANS following

them , and the Greek WATER // HUDOR is NOT in the Greek text .

By the way , What does the CLOUD and the SEA , mean ??

# 2 And in the book of Acts 1:5 is written , FOR // HOTI , is a CONJUNCATION

# 3 John // IOANNES , is in the NOMINATIVE CASE , and in the SIGNULAR

# 4 TRULY // MEN , is a PARTICILE DISJUNCATIVE

# 5 BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO , is in the Greek , AORIST TENSE , in the INDICATIVE MOOD , means yu better bekeve it , in te SINGULAR

# 6 WITH WATER // HYDOR , in the DATIVE CASE , in the SINGULAR , and in the NEUTER , meaning MALE and FEMALE

# 7 BUT // DE , is a ONJUNCATION PLEASE NOTICE THE BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

# 8 YE // HYMEIS , is a PERSONAL , POSSESSIVE PRONOUN , in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in the PLURAL

# 9 SHALL BE BAPTIZED , is in the FUTURE TENSE , PASSIVE VOICE , in the INDICATIVE MOOD , means you better belkeve it , PLURAL

and since it is in the Greek FUTURE TENSE it has not happened yet .

# 10 THE HOLY // in the DATIVE CASE , in the SINGULAR and in the NEUTER

# 11 SPIRIT // PNEUMA , in the DATIVE CASE , in the SIGNULAR and in the NETER

# 12 NOT // OU , is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICILE NEGATIVE

# 13 MANY DAYS // POLYS , in the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in te PLJRAL

# 14 HENCE // META , a PROPOSITION

These means WATER BAPTISM has moved on from WATER BAPTISM to HOLY SPIRIT BAPTISM , as in Eph 4:5 which reads

ONE LORD , ONE FAITH , ONE // HEIS and ONE // HEIS , means ONE BAPTISM , during this AGE of GRACE and we are SAVED

By Rom 10: 9- 10 , period

But Baptism will reappear for Israel in Eze 36 :25 when Israel and Judah become ONE STICK in EZE 37:15-28 , and ISRAEL

will BE BORN AGAIN , will ONLY happen to Israel in Eze 37 !

dan p
The figures leading up to the death of Jesus Christ involved imitation of the third day of creation. Water was parted and there was dry land. Baptism is part of that witness. In Him we are established.
 
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The figures leading up to the death of Jesus Christ involved imitation of the third day of creation. Water was parted and there was dry land. Baptism is part of that witness. In Him we are established.
Would you mind telling us where you got that info ?
 
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That is right.
GR 908...
Baptisma means baptism consisting in the processes of immersion, submersion, and emergence.
And Acts 1:5 reads for John indeed Baptized ( WITH. was added ) WATER /. HYDOR , but YOU. will BAPTIZED with Holy Spirit

not many of these days AFTER !!

And there two different Baptism with WATER here , Water Baptism by John

and. one BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT , NOT MANY DAYS AFTER , meaning. Acts 2:38 , the gift of. the Holy Spirit

and verse 36 is speaking to Israel !!

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Would you mind telling us where you got that info ?
The bible.

God, parted waters and there was Dry Land.
Moses, parted waters and there was Dry Land.
Elijah, parted waters and there was Dry Land.

John the baptizer who was the fulfillment of Elijah, baptized Jesus who afterwards was lead by the Holy Spirit into the dryest land that could be found, the desert wilderness. Like Moses, he fasted 40 days and 40 nights.

When Jesus died on the cross, He was Risen from the Dead after 3 days by the Father.

The typology of the third day of creation is juxtaposed to the imagery of baptism.

Even the dialogue in Acts where Jesus instructs to wait for the Holy Spirit is followed by 40 days of visions of Him and then "not many days" before the Holy Spirit was given.

Even now the Father is working hard to create the New Heaven and New Earth while we live in this one our ancestors ruined. The Death and Resurrection of Jesus was the fulfillment of the third day, and the beginning of the fourth.
 
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