Fla. public school teachers can't demand students, staff use wrong pronouns: Appeals court panel

Michie · Tuesday at 12:22 PM

Public school teachers can no longer demand that staff and students refer to them as the opposite sex, an appeals court has ruled.

A three-judge panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit ruled 2-1 that Katie Wood, a high school math teacher who is a man but identifies as a woman, could not require the use of feminine pronouns or the honorific “Ms.”

At issue was a state law passed in 2023, known as Florida Statute § 1000.071, which reads that “[a]n employee or contractor of a public K-12 educational institution may not provide to a student his or her preferred personal title or pronouns if such preferred personal title or pronouns do not correspond to his or her sex.”

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Fla. public school teachers can't demand students, staff use wrong pronouns: Appeals court panel

Public school teachers can no longer demand that staff and students refer to them as the opposite sex, an appeals court has ruled

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PloverWing · Tuesday at 1:14 PM

Whether the Florida law is unconstitutional, I can't tell. As I once heard William F. Buckley remark, not every bad law is unconstitutional. But, wow, what an oppressive law.

I wonder if a non-gendered title could be a workaround, and whether the Florida law would allow it. A friend of mine who is a high school math teacher goes by "Teacher <lastname>" in the classroom. In higher ed, non-gendered titles like "Professor" or "Doctor" are frequently used. Could Florida live with teachers using a genderless title like that?

RileyG · Tuesday at 1:22 PM

Michie said:
Public school teachers can no longer demand that staff and students refer to them as the opposite sex, an appeals court has ruled.

A three-judge panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit ruled 2-1 that Katie Wood, a high school math teacher who is a man but identifies as a woman, could not require the use of feminine pronouns or the honorific “Ms.”

At issue was a state law passed in 2023, known as Florida Statute § 1000.071, which reads that “[a]n employee or contractor of a public K-12 educational institution may not provide to a student his or her preferred personal title or pronouns if such preferred personal title or pronouns do not correspond to his or her sex.”

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Fla. public school teachers can't demand students, staff use wrong pronouns: Appeals court panel

Public school teachers can no longer demand that staff and students refer to them as the opposite sex, an appeals court has ruled

www.christianpost.com

Good!

ozso · Tuesday at 5:17 PM

Good grief. A teacher expecting his students to play his fantasy game. He should be told to take the whole thing somewhere else altogether.

timewerx · Tuesday at 5:43 PM

The problem is that people get offended so easily.

I'm biological/born male and prefer to be called in male pronouns but often called in female pronouns maybe because I'm thin, look young, and have long hair which I style into Daisy Ridley's hair in Star Wars. I wear all-male clothing though, often "trucker" or army green/camo loose fit in which case, I also get mistaken for a lesbian.

But I don't make a big deal out of it. It don't matter. Life is hard for most people already and our leaders decide we should make things harder still is really stupid.

Yarddog · Tuesday at 5:49 PM

Michie said:
Public school teachers can no longer demand that staff and students refer to them as the opposite sex, an appeals court has ruled.

A three-judge panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit ruled 2-1 that Katie Wood, a high school math teacher who is a man but identifies as a woman, could not require the use of feminine pronouns or the honorific “Ms.”

At issue was a state law passed in 2023, known as Florida Statute § 1000.071, which reads that “[a]n employee or contractor of a public K-12 educational institution may not provide to a student his or her preferred personal title or pronouns if such preferred personal title or pronouns do not correspond to his or her sex.”

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Fla. public school teachers can't demand students, staff use wrong pronouns: Appeals court panel

Public school teachers can no longer demand that staff and students refer to them as the opposite sex, an appeals court has ruled

www.christianpost.com

Boy, that title didn't match the article very well. LOL. Kinda reminded me of Trump not knowing what a pronoun was.

DavidTheGnome · Tuesday at 6:27 PM

I'd go further by referring to Wood as his birth name, if I knew what it was. But, I suppose "Mr. Wood" will do, if that's his last name. If not, then maybe "Mr.".
Calling transgender people the gender they erroneously believe themselves to be enables their delusion.
Banning people from referring to transgender people as their birth names or actual biological genders is banning people from telling God's honest truth.
Also, with freedom of speech in the constitution, you should be able to refer to transgender people as their birth names and biological genders without being punished for it. Therefore, teachers should be allowed to refer to students as their birth names and biological genders, and students should be allowed to do the same thing to teachers.

ozso · Tuesday at 7:05 PM

Yarddog said:
Boy, that title didn't match the article very well. LOL. Kinda reminded me of Trump not knowing what a pronoun was.

Explain.

Yarddog · Tuesday at 9:47 PM

ozso said:
Explain.

Trump was giving an interview on TV and the woman asked him about pronouns. He had her explain what pronouns were

ozso · Tuesday at 11:21 PM

Yarddog said:
Trump was giving an interview on TV and the woman asked him about pronouns. He had her explain what pronouns were

I meant explain the first part of your post.

Yarddog · Wednesday at 1:17 AM

ozso said:
I meant explain the first part of your post.

Well, the title says: "teachers can't demand students, staff use wrong pronouns:"

It took most of the article for them to explain that a teacher that identified as a different sex can't force students to refer them with a pronoun of their choice.

ozso · Wednesday at 1:41 AM

Yarddog said:
Well, the title says: "teachers can't demand students, staff use wrong pronouns:"

It took most of the article for them to explain that a teacher that identified as a different sex can't force students to refer them with a pronoun of their choice.

Right, he can't force them to call him she or her, because those are the wrong pronouns for a man. It's a shameful that a man subjected those kids to that routine. He can be whatever he wants on his own time, but it doesn't belong in the classroom.

Yarddog · Thursday at 12:01 AM

ozso said:
Right, he can't force them to call him she or her, because those are the wrong pronouns for a man. It's a shameful that a man subjected those kids to that routine. He can be whatever he wants on his own time, but it doesn't belong in the classroom.

He can't force them because they have freedom of speech. Just as I can't force you to call me a man, even though that is my birth sex. Of course, man, isn't a pronoun but I think you get my point.

ozso · Thursday at 12:13 AM

Yarddog said:
He can't force them because they have freedom of speech.

Uh huh, what about students who have been punished for using wrong pronouns?

Yarddog said:
Just as I can't force you to call me a man, even though that is my birth sex. Of course, man, isn't a pronoun but I think you get my point.

Whereas an adult school teacher can demand a lot out of his young students.

Yarddog · Thursday at 12:23 AM

ozso said:
Uh huh, what about students who have been punished for using wrong pronouns?

That you consider them wrong pronouns doesn't necessarily mean they are wrong. A man that has had a sex change operation can rightly use Ms Smith or someone can use feminine pronouns properly when addressing them

ozso said:
Whereas an adult school teacher can demand a lot out of his young students.

He can but he can't force them to use certain pronouns in Florida, now.

ozso · Thursday at 12:42 AM

Yarddog said:
That you consider them wrong pronouns doesn't necessarily mean they are wrong.

That has absolutely nothing to do with students having been punished for using wrong pronouns.

Yarddog said:
A man that has had a sex change operation can rightly use Ms Smith or someone can use feminine pronouns properly when addressing them

He can but he can't force them to use certain pronouns in Florida, now.

Yes, that's what I said. In other states however students can be and have been punished for not referring to a male teacher or male student as she or her if he demands they do so. It's worse when it's a grown man making such demands of children. And worse still that school boards enforce it.

Yarddog · Thursday at 12:54 AM

ozso said:
That has absolutely nothing to do with students having been punished for using wrong pronouns.

Sure it does You said they were wrong, the Court didn't. They are free to use pronouns they choose.

ozso · Thursday at 1:07 AM

Yarddog said:
Sure it does You said they were wrong, the Court didn't. They are free to use pronouns they choose.

There are news stories about students being punished for using wrong pronouns. A wrong pronoun is calling a man he or him, when he demands to be called she or her. I personally have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with that.

Fervent · Thursday at 1:22 AM

The real threat of the whole transgender thing isn't so much the issue of pronouns themselves, but a much broader attitude towards truth. It is the notion of subjective truth and social constructs, it is subversive because it denies that there is such a thing as objective facts and instead imagines that a person is able to change their biology simply because their psychology tells them it is incorrect. It's not just sexual mores that are being assaulted with transgender politics, but the very concept of truth.

Yarddog · Thursday at 7:18 AM

ozso said:
There are news stories about students being punished for using wrong pronouns. A wrong pronoun is calling a man he or him, when he demands to be called she or her. I personally have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with that.

It may occur but not a lot. What percentage of school teachers have gender identity issues?

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