Alligator Ausshwitz floods within a day of opening

FreeinChrist said:

But they go through the process be citizens and they get sworn in by a judge.

But I also heard him today talk about it and say even those born in the US.

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Again, I'm willing to eat crow if you can provide the video....

But I've scoured several sources (both via conventional means, and consulting 4 different paid deep-learning AI services I have access to thanks to my job giving me the paid accounts), and can't find any evidence of him suggesting removing the citizenship of anyone who's already a natural born citizen.

The closest I can find is his proposal to end birthright citizenship on a moving forward basis (which hasn't been implemented yet)

FreeinChrist said:

Well, yes, many had permission to be in the US

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Which ones?

FreeinChrist said:

But they go through the process be citizens and they get sworn in by a judge.

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FreeinChrist said:

But I also heard him today talk about it and say even those born in the US.

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Post it here then.....otherwise it didn't happen......

The Barbarian said:

They specified it. Trump visited and endorsed Alligator Auschwitz himself.

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You didn't answer the question (no surprise there)......

civilwarbuff said:

I assume you are talking about people who are in the US illegally?.....is that the demographic you are speaking of?
And the 'less informed populace' you are speaking about would be who.....the liberal left of the country?.....who believe everything the media and democrats tell them to believe?

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You know what exactly what I am saying, and you are doing a *chefs kiss* job of proving my point.

civilwarbuff said:

Have you ever been locked up by the Gestapo? Something tells me you haven't ......not even close.....

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Gee wiz, you got me there. I haven’t personally been locked up by the Gestapo.

I’ve only have family members who were taken by the gestapo.
And I have their journals.
And their letters.
And their artifacts.
And the paperwork of my civilian, German-born grandfather granted burial in Arlington National Cemetery due to his service of this country during WWII in what we learned posthumously was likely espionage of some sort.
And I have the paperwork showing his citizenship being granted on the grounds of it not being safe to return to Germany even after the war.
And I have the paperwork of his father, sisters, and others who were allowed to flee here for their safety as a result.
And I have the 2 months of my summer touring Germany with my grandmother’s brother, visiting the sites of WWII and my family, including where his sister and mother were abducted by the gestapo (only one of whom was returned), where they hid the marked family that worked as employees of my great grandfather, and the German warplane that strafed him while he was biking from the school (which was closed by the Nazis) to his home (where various members of the family were taken, held, and not returned by both gestapo and the “civilian police”).
And I have the literal hours on hours on hours I spent talking about the war and what it was like living it in Nazi Germany from the family who lived it.
And I have 18 books totaling over 10,000 pages that my grandfather and my grandmother’s brother and other family members contributed to about WWII and what it was like to live as a targeted family.
And I have the testimony they gave in several tribunals that occurred in Germany, France, England, Poland, and the US related to war crimes by specific people and organizations.
And I have a close relationship with all of their children, all of whom say “he is rolling in his grave over what is happening in the adopted country he loved so much.”

Oh, and I have the words of his daughter, my mother, who says the same and talks in detail about how the climate of the time absolutely shaped the family and the trauma of seeing people taken from their homes by the Gestapo and other organizations drove her father to do what he did in serving the US in the war. And I have all of that that drove me to become a modern war buff who researches stuff like this for fun and continues their legacy of contributing to articles and books on the subject by sharing documents or testimony they have shared.

So, while that doesn’t mean I personally have been taken by Gestapo, it does mean that you can take SEVERAL seats, because these stories are baked into my childhood and life as a whole by the people who actually lived through them because it’s the reason my mother’s family came to the US.

And I’m also willing to bet of that whole list of things I have, you have exactly zero of them.

civilwarbuff said:

And so far they have been.....

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They absolutely have not. If you were treated like they were, or your spouse, or your children, you’d have a fit. Unless you want to be deliberately naive about that too.

civilwarbuff said:

Yeah, I would....lets the 'gators get up nice and close......

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Trump knows his audience.

FreeinChrist said:

Eat crow. (That was your idea) I found a number of articles quoting Trump.

Trump again brings up the idea of deporting US citizens for crimes

President Donald Trump continued Tuesday to float his idea, which some legal experts say is unconstitutional, to deport U.S. citizens who commit crimes.

abcnews.go.com

President Donald Trump continued on Tuesday to float his idea, which some legal experts say is unconstitutional, to deport U.S. citizens who commit crimes.​

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Speaking to the press during a tour of a migrant detention center in the Florida Everglades, the president repeated claims that there are many immigrants who are now citizens and have been committing serious crimes.​

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"They're not new to our country. They're old to our country. Many of them were born in our country. ...."​

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"Many of them were born in this country" !?!

You can read the whole quote in the article, as he is using a profanity that I cannot quote. I am trying to stick to the guidelines for the Discussion & Debate forums. The problem with the videos of him saying "Many of them were born in this country" can't be posted because of his profanity use. I could try and clip the part out but then some will cry that it is edited and can't be trusted.

So we now have an alligator concentration type camp and the threat to denaturalize citizens and deport others who were born in the USA.
Thanks MAGA.

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The second part of the statement:

"I'm just saying if we had the legal right to do it, I would do it in a heartbeat. I don't know if we do or not"

That's very different than an announcement of a formalized plan to take citizenship away from native born American citizens.

But it is a bad look and something he shouldn't be saying, so I'll eat a crow wing, but not the whole crow...

As I see these kinds of rhetorical grandstanding attempts to be more inline with things like when Beto O'Rourke said "Hell yes, I'd like to take away your guns" or Corey Booker saying "I would push for a mandatory buyback but we'll have to see what legal options we have"

...that's not the same thing as a portrayal that there's already some 5-point plan in the works for blanket gun confiscation. (although, many conservatives did try to falsely depict it that way when those statements happened a few years back)

The Barbarian said:

You didn't like the answer you got. (no surprise there)

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No, you just don't like answering questions that show your lack of insight.

Tropical Wilds said:

You know what exactly what I am saying, and you are doing a *chefs kiss* job of proving my point.

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You didn't specify who that 'demographic' was so I was just taking a best guess shot....

Tropical Wilds said:

Gee wiz, you got me there. I haven’t personally been locked up by the Gestapo.

I’ve only have family members who were taken by the gestapo.
And I have their journals.
And their letters.
And their artifacts.
And the paperwork of my civilian, German-born grandfather granted burial in Arlington National Cemetery due to his service of this country during WWII in what we learned posthumously was likely espionage of some sort.
And I have the paperwork showing his citizenship being granted on the grounds of it not being safe to return to Germany even after the war.
And I have the paperwork of his father, sisters, and others who were allowed to flee here for their safety as a result.
And I have the 2 months of my summer touring Germany with my grandmother’s brother, visiting the sites of WWII and my family, including where his sister and mother were abducted by the gestapo (only one of whom was returned), where they hid the marked family that worked as employees of my great grandfather, and the German warplane that strafed him while he was biking from the school (which was closed by the Nazis) to his home (where various members of the family were taken, held, and not returned by both gestapo and the “civilian police”).
And I have the literal hours on hours on hours I spent talking about the war and what it was like living it in Nazi Germany from the family who lived it.
And I have 18 books totaling over 10,000 pages that my grandfather and my grandmother’s brother and other family members contributed to about WWII and what it was like to live as a targeted family.
And I have the testimony they gave in several tribunals that occurred in Germany, France, England, Poland, and the US related to war crimes by specific people and organizations.
And I have a close relationship with all of their children, all of whom say “he is rolling in his grave over what is happening in the adopted country he loved so much.”

Oh, and I have the words of his daughter, my mother, who says the same and talks in detail about how the climate of the time absolutely shaped the family and the trauma of seeing people taken from their homes by the Gestapo and other organizations drove her father to do what he did in serving the US in the war. And I have all of that that drove me to become a modern war buff who researches stuff like this for fun and continues their legacy of contributing to articles and books on the subject by sharing documents or testimony they have shared.

So, while that doesn’t mean I personally have been taken by Gestapo, it does mean that you can take SEVERAL seats, because these stories are baked into my childhood and life as a whole by the people who actually lived through them because it’s the reason my mother’s family came to the US.

And I’m also willing to bet of that whole list of things I have, you have exactly zero of them.

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And after all of this you still don't see the difference between arresting and deporting individuals who are in the US illegally? You didn't learn anything from all that reading, did you?

Tropical Wilds said:

They absolutely have not. If you were treated like they were, or your spouse, or your children, you’d have a fit. Unless you want to be deliberately naive about that too.

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They are arrested criminals. They have orders for deportation.....which means they get deported. You want them to be served a 7 course meal while in their cells and be afforded all the amenities of being at home? You need to leave your fantasy world and come back to reality.

The Barbarian said:

The 1898 ruling in United States v. Wong Kim Ark finally answered the question whether a child of Chinese immigrants (who were ineligible for citizenship due to the Chinese Exclusion Acts) born on U.S. territory was eligible for birthright citizenship. The case confirmed the unequivocal precedent that anyone born in the United States, regardless of their parent’s immigration status, is a citizen at birth.

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1896, Plessy v Ferguson: Plessy v. Ferguson, legal case in which the U.S. Supreme Court on May 18, 1896, by a seven-to-one majority (one justice did not participate), advanced the controversial “separate but equal” doctrine for assessing the constitutionality of racial segregation laws. Plessy v. Ferguson was the first major inquiry into the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment’s (1868) equal-protection clause, which prohibits the states from denying “equal protection of the laws” to any person within their jurisdictions. Although the majority opinion did not contain the phrase “separate but equal,” it gave constitutional sanction to laws designed to achieve racial segregation by means of separate and supposedly equal public facilities and services for African Americans and whites. It served as a controlling judicial precedent until it was overturned by the Supreme Court in Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka (1954).

Which goes to show you that SCOTUS is known to overturn their own rulings based on current needs and attitudes. The 14th Amendment was passed to prevent Southern Democrats from denying citizenship to emancipated slaves thereby preventing them from voting since they were overwhelmingly supporters of the Party of Lincoln. There is no reason why they can't clarify or amend that ruling to specify that it was only for that purpose stated above. I have no doubt that at sometime in the near future that will come before the court.

The Barbarian said:

He's talking about deporting American citizens who are, by law entitled to be here.

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No, he is not.