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So no one has died under a capitalist government.
Simply not true. For example, slavery in the USA. Or the genocide of Natives.

And as far as I know, the USA still literally has the capital punishment, while all social democracies abolished this long time ago.
 
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Yep. That's a feature, not a bug.
Nope. That’s a bug. I don’t know about you but I don’t particularly want my taxes to fund someone’s lazy life if they can work. Just cause you don’t like your job is no excuse. Why perpetuate poverty?
 
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Nope. That’s a bug. I don’t know about you but I don’t particularly want my taxes to fund someone’s lazy life if they can work. Just cause you don’t like your job is no excuse. Why perpetuate poverty?
It certainly is an excuse, and a good one. The solution is a job with decent pay and working conditions.
 
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It certainly is an excuse, and a good one. The solution is a job with decent pay and working conditions.
Asking an awful lot there.
 
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It certainly is an excuse, and a good one. The solution is a job with decent pay and working conditions.
And what is the lazy prepared to do to get that job? Or are you suggesting that he or she is entitled to one regardless of his or hers efforts?
 
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And what is the lazy prepared to do to get that job? Or are you suggesting that he or she is entitled to one regardless of his or hers efforts?
Perhaps you should offer him or her one and discuss it. If you want a person to work for you you have to make it worth his while.
 
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Perhaps you should offer him or her one and discuss it. If you want a person to work for you you have to make it worth his while.
Commie talk. Our labor is worth what our betters say it is and we dearest not question that.
 
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Perhaps you should offer him or her one and discuss it. If you want a person to work for you you have to make it worth his while.
Why is it that we are responsible for their choices? When is their life their own?
 
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So lazy is the answer for you then.
You seem to like the word "lazy" too much. What about calling those people "rational actors"?

Not wanting to work for low wage in bad working conditions is not laziness.
 
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Their lives are always their own.
Not if they did not forge it and mooch of others. Is like buying a car and expecting the dealer to fix it always regardless of warranty status.
 
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Not if they did not forge it and mooch of others. Is like buying a car and expecting the dealer to fix it always regardless of warranty status.
Their lives are their own and they are free to make their own living any way they can. If you want them to work for you, you have to make it worth their while. What you are talking about is the commodification of labor, which is the equivalent in authoritarian capitalist systems to the dictatorship of the proletariat in authoritarian socialism.
 
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“¶Go to the ant, you lazy one, Observe its ways and be wise,”
‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭6‬:‭6‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬
Too late. You can't use the Christian religion to achieve the degree of workforce discipline that you desire any more. Decent pay and working conditions will be required and you can't decide unilaterally what those amount to.
 
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