Western/Israel led regime change is probably NOT going to happen to Iran

Jamdoc · Jul 5, 2025

So during the 12 day war the topic of regime change for Iran came up, the Ayatollah was in hiding, and the US and Israel flaunted that he was only still alive because they didn't want to kill him yet. Trump talked about it in his social media, the former Crown Prince of Iran even put himself up as a candidate for that change, etc.

But I don't think it'll go like that, for a biblical reason.

Some of you may know, or may not know, that I do not believe that the later chapters of the book of Daniel are historical in nature but prophetic. They may have been foreshadowed by historical events but those historical "fulfillments" have errors to them, they aren't exact, and the Angel Gabriel says the following in Daniel 8:

17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.

The ram and the goat vision is an end times vision.

18 Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright.
19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

The indignation is the end of the age, the wrath of God. There was no end of the age in 334BC

Even if you say "well the last days began on Pentecost", it still doesn't work as Alexander's conquest was over 300 years prior.

The appointed time of the end is eschatological, not historical.

Now Daniel 11 to explain why the Islamic Republic of Iran will not be ended by Israel nor the US, Khamenei will die (he's in his late 80's and his prostate cancer has come back, meaning he's on borrowed time), but the Islamic Clergy will choose his successor on their own, it won't be us instituting the Shah's son.

2 And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.

There were far more than 4 kings between Darius and Alexander, so again, this is not historical, it's prophetic. If you go from the Islamic Revolution in 1979, we're on King #2 of Persia, meaning he dies, and gets replaced by the 3rd, and it's the 4th that will be the one that really sets things off, however.

Back to Daniel 8

3 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river a ram which had two horns: and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other, and the higher came up last.

Horns are used in both Daniel and Revelation to symbolize kings. It's explicitly stated. These 2 horns are on the ram at the same time, This means that King 3 and King 4 could be co-ruling at the same time.
Speculation but I believe this 4th king will be a Persian claimant to the Shia Mahdi, what they call the 12th Imam. If the Shia unify behind this claimant (not the Egyptian American guy who has claimed to be the Mahdi on Youtube mind you, that guy's beliefs would be considered heretical in Islam, his following is small, and I'm surprised he hasn't had a fatwa issued against him yet and been killed off), the Sunni world would be enraged. Turkey was once part of what was considered Ancient Greece, tons of Ancient Greek Ruins, perhaps you've heard of Ephesus, Pergamos, etc.
It is Turkey that ends the Islamic Republic of Iran as we know it according to scripture.

PesachPup · Jul 5, 2025

Jamdoc said:
So during the 12 day war the topic of regime change for Iran came up, the Ayatollah was in hiding, and the US and Israel flaunted that he was only still alive because they didn't want to kill him yet. Trump talked about it in his social media, the former Crown Prince of Iran even put himself up as a candidate for that change, etc.

But I don't think it'll go like that, for a biblical reason.

Some of you may know, or may not know, that I do not believe that the later chapters of the book of Daniel are historical in nature but prophetic. They may have been foreshadowed by historical events but those historical "fulfillments" have errors to them, they aren't exact, and the Angel Gabriel says the following in Daniel 8:

The ram and the goat vision is an end times vision.

The indignation is the end of the age, the wrath of God. There was no end of the age in 334BC

Even if you say "well the last days began on Pentecost", it still doesn't work as Alexander's conquest was over 300 years prior.

The appointed time of the end is eschatological, not historical.

Now Daniel 11 to explain why the Islamic Republic of Iran will not be ended by Israel nor the US, Khamenei will die (he's in his late 80's and his prostate cancer has come back, meaning he's on borrowed time), but the Islamic Clergy will choose his successor on their own, it won't be us instituting the Shah's son.

There were far more than 4 kings between Darius and Alexander, so again, this is not historical, it's prophetic. If you go from the Islamic Revolution in 1979, we're on King #2 of Persia, meaning he dies, and gets replaced by the 3rd, and it's the 4th that will be the one that really sets things off, however.

Back to Daniel 8

Horns are used in both Daniel and Revelation to symbolize kings. It's explicitly stated. These 2 horns are on the ram at the same time, This means that King 3 and King 4 could be co-ruling at the same time.
Speculation but I believe this 4th king will be a Persian claimant to the Shia Mahdi, what they call the 12th Imam. If the Shia unify behind this claimant (not the Egyptian American guy who has claimed to be the Mahdi on Youtube mind you, that guy's beliefs would be considered heretical in Islam, his following is small, and I'm surprised he hasn't had a fatwa issued against him yet and been killed off), the Sunni world would be enraged. Turkey was once part of what was considered Ancient Greece, tons of Ancient Greek Ruins, perhaps you've heard of Ephesus, Pergamos, etc.
It is Turkey that ends the Islamic Republic of Iran as we know it according to scripture.

It's refreshing to find someone else who likewise does not consider Daniel 11 and 12 as historical. Could you outline your view of where the 4 Persian kings are found. I tend to view Khamenei as the 1st of the 4 Persian kings to arise, because it says:

Dan 11:8 KJV And shall also carry captives into Egypt their gods, with their princes, and with their precious vessels of silver and of gold; and he shall continue more years than the king of the north.

He shall continue more years than the king of the north. I.e. When he faces off against the king of the north, doesn't it mean that this 1st KOS has been in power more years than the KON? IMO that tends to fit Khamenei. And the next KOS is a raiser of taxes "in the glory of the kingdom" says that he will be the king when Israel starts building her temple. But I would be interested in knowing how you see things.

Be Blessed
The PuP

Lukaris · Jul 5, 2025

Iran might be changing and transforming from within and it’s government might just implode.

The regime that lost the war, and the people

The war has paused, but the collapse has not. Shaken by defeat in the streets, across the region, and from the skies, the Islamic Republic now stands weakened and exposed. The pillars that once held it up, ideology, reach, and fear, are cracking.

www.iranintl.com

keras · Jul 6, 2025

Bible Prophecy is clear: Iran will attempt to send nuke missiles to Israel and probably activate sleeper cells in America.
That will be their demise, as the Lord will arise and destroy them all. Zephaniah 1:18 & 3:8, 2 Peter 3:7, +

Jamdoc · Jul 6, 2025

PesachPup said:
It's refreshing to find someone else who likewise does not consider Daniel 11 and 12 as historical. Could you outline your view of where the 4 Persian kings are found. I tend to view Khamenei as the 1st of the 4 Persian kings to arise, because it says:

Dan 11:8 KJV And shall also carry captives into Egypt their gods, with their princes, and with their precious vessels of silver and of gold; and he shall continue more years than the king of the north.

He shall continue more years than the king of the north. I.e. When he faces off against the king of the north, doesn't it mean that this 1st KOS has been in power more years than the KON? IMO that tends to fit Khamenei. And the next KOS is a raiser of taxes "in the glory of the kingdom" says that he will be the king when Israel starts building her temple. But I would be interested in knowing how you see things.

Be Blessed
The PuP

Persia is not the King of the South.

So how it breaks down:

1. There's Persia, it has 4 kings, with the 4th being the greatest of them (Daniel 11:2), and the 3rd and 4th king may rule at the same time (because the ram has 2 horns- Daniel 8:3).
2. This 4th King takes Persia against its northern neighbors, western neighbors, and to the south (I am guessing that UAE and Saudi would be considered south). (Daniel 8:4).
3. Javan (which gets translated to Greece, but the actual Hebrew is Javan, which is one of the Grandsons of Noah, they settled on the west coast of Turkey and into Greece, but always consider that Turkey was considered part of Ancient Greece) gets enraged, and attacks Iran and utterly smashes it, killing its two leaders (Daniel 8:5-7)
4. Javan becomes great, but then its FIRST KING (Not Alexander III, 23rd king of Macedonia), is killed. Note the text of Daniel 8:8 says the great horn was broken, IE, it is more likely that it is broken by an outside force, rather than just dying of a fever, and then 4 kingdoms come out of the Empire in cardinal directions (in Alexander's day the empire was broken into more pieces than 4)
5. You then have the King of the North, and the King of the South, which sprawls over the rest of Daniel 11. The King of the South, includes Egypt, which you noted that the King of the South carries off captives from the Northern Kingdom, and the King of the South reigns longer than the King of the North. That is where you're getting confused, equating Persia to the King of the South.

Furthermore

And the next KOS is a raiser of taxes "in the glory of the kingdom" says that he will be the king when Israel starts building her temple. But I would be interested in knowing how you see things.

It's not the King of the South there.

Let's go to the passage:

15 So the king of the north shall come, and cast up a mount, and take the most fenced cities: and the arms of the south shall not withstand, neither his chosen people, neither shall there be any strength to withstand.
16 But he that cometh against him shall do according to his own will, and none shall stand before him: and he shall stand in the glorious land, which by his hand shall be consumed.
17 He shall also set his face to enter with the strength of his whole kingdom, and upright ones with him; thus shall he do: and he shall give him the daughter of women, corrupting her: but she shall not stand on his side, neither be for him.
18 After this shall he turn his face unto the isles, and shall take many: but a prince for his own behalf shall cause the reproach offered by him to cease; without his own reproach he shall cause it to turn upon him.
19 Then he shall turn his face toward the fort of his own land: but he shall stumble and fall, and not be found.

So all of this is all about the King of the North's exploits, and end. It sounds like he dies in an accident.

20 Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle.
21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.

It is the King of the North who gets replaced, and the vile person.. well, that would be the Antichrist.
and if it's Turkey that starts the initial great empire that gets broken up, then the Northern Kingdom would contain Turkey and probably Syria, Lebanon, and Northern Iraq, so it would be the Northern Kingdom from which the Antichrist arises out of... which would fit...

Micah 5

2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
3 Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.

We know this is about Jesus, and continuing on...

4 And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the Lord, in the majesty of the name of the Lord his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth.
5 And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men.
6 And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders.

Now the ancient Assyrian Empire had long been conquered by the time Jesus was born, so this is not about that empire, and Jesus didn't move against any Assyrians in the 1st century... so.. we're talking about Eschatology here. The Assyrian is sometimes interpreted as the Antichrist, though many people like to brush this under the rug because they have a western European or American Antichrist.

Jamdoc · Jul 6, 2025

keras said:
Bible Prophecy is clear: Iran will attempt to send nuke missiles to Israel and probably activate sleeper cells in America.
That will be their demise, as the Lord will arise and destroy them all. Zephaniah 1:18 & 3:8, 2 Peter 3:7, +

Bible prophecy does not mention America, or specifically nukes, there's a few places they could be implied (the Destruction of Babylon by fire, by the 10 kings in 1 hour)

But what Bible prophecy is clear on: Daniel 8 is about the end times, not history. Which makes Daniel 11 also prophecy not history. Which means there will be 4 total Persian kings before Persia is totally overwhelmed from the west, but the victor there is given as Greece (which would include Turkey in modern day)

I'm going to take Daniel as my roadmap, because that is what Daniel was given those prophecies for:

Daniel 12

4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

and

8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

the prophecies of Daniel were meant for the time of the end, not history.

I don't care how closely historical events "match" to it, they contain errors, imperfections, and those were not the time of the end.

PesachPup · Jul 6, 2025

Jamdoc said:
Persia is not the King of the South.

So how it breaks down:

1. There's Persia, it has 4 kings, with the 4th being the greatest of them (Daniel 11:2), and the 3rd and 4th king may rule at the same time (because the ram has 2 horns- Daniel 8:3).
2. This 4th King takes Persia against its northern neighbors, western neighbors, and to the south (I am guessing that UAE and Saudi would be considered south). (Daniel 8:4).
3. Javan (which gets translated to Greece, but the actual Hebrew is Javan, which is one of the Grandsons of Noah, they settled on the west coast of Turkey and into Greece, but always consider that Turkey was considered part of Ancient Greece) gets enraged, and attacks Iran and utterly smashes it, killing its two leaders (Daniel 8:5-7)
4. Javan becomes great, but then its FIRST KING (Not Alexander III, 23rd king of Macedonia), is killed. Note the text of Daniel 8:8 says the great horn was broken, IE, it is more likely that it is broken by an outside force, rather than just dying of a fever, and then 4 kingdoms come out of the Empire in cardinal directions (in Alexander's day the empire was broken into more pieces than 4)
5. You then have the King of the North, and the King of the South, which sprawls over the rest of Daniel 11. The King of the South, includes Egypt, which you noted that the King of the South carries off captives from the Northern Kingdom, and the King of the South reigns longer than the King of the North. That is where you're getting confused, equating Persia to the King of the South.

Furthermore

It's not the King of the South there.

Let's go to the passage:

So all of this is all about the King of the North's exploits, and end. It sounds like he dies in an accident.

It is the King of the North who gets replaced, and the vile person.. well, that would be the Antichrist.
and if it's Turkey that starts the initial great empire that gets broken up, then the Northern Kingdom would contain Turkey and probably Syria, Lebanon, and Northern Iraq, so it would be the Northern Kingdom from which the Antichrist arises out of... which would fit...

Micah 5

We know this is about Jesus, and continuing on...

Now the ancient Assyrian Empire had long been conquered by the time Jesus was born, so this is not about that empire, and Jesus didn't move against any Assyrians in the 1st century... so.. we're talking about Eschatology here. The Assyrian is sometimes interpreted as the Antichrist, though many people like to brush this under the rug because they have a western European or American Antichrist.

I don't have time (right now) to give a long reply, but let me point out an issue that I have with your view.
In verse 16 out says that "by HIS hand, shall he consume the glorious kingdom". But in verse 19 that " he shall stumble and not be found". They can't be the same person... if he is replaced by a "raiser of taxes".

Verses 1-20 focus on the KOS.

While 21- end of ch.11 focuses on the KON.
In verse 25: "he stirs up his courage against the KOS..
In verse 40: "the KOS shall push at him..."

I will wait for your reply to say anything further.
Be Blessed
The PuP

tranquil · Jul 6, 2025

Jamdoc said:
Persia is not the King of the South.

So how it breaks down:

1. There's Persia, it has 4 kings, with the 4th being the greatest of them (Daniel 11:2), and the 3rd and 4th king may rule at the same time (because the ram has 2 horns- Daniel 8:3).
2. This 4th King takes Persia against its northern neighbors, western neighbors, and to the south (I am guessing that UAE and Saudi would be considered south). (Daniel 8:4).
3. Javan (which gets translated to Greece, but the actual Hebrew is Javan, which is one of the Grandsons of Noah, they settled on the west coast of Turkey and into Greece, but always consider that Turkey was considered part of Ancient Greece) gets enraged, and attacks Iran and utterly smashes it, killing its two leaders (Daniel 8:5-7)
4. Javan becomes great, but then its FIRST KING (Not Alexander III, 23rd king of Macedonia), is killed. Note the text of Daniel 8:8 says the great horn was broken, IE, it is more likely that it is broken by an outside force, rather than just dying of a fever, and then 4 kingdoms come out of the Empire in cardinal directions (in Alexander's day the empire was broken into more pieces than 4)
5. You then have the King of the North, and the King of the South, which sprawls over the rest of Daniel 11. The King of the South, includes Egypt, which you noted that the King of the South carries off captives from the Northern Kingdom, and the King of the South reigns longer than the King of the North. That is where you're getting confused, equating Persia to the King of the South.

Furthermore

It's not the King of the South there.

Let's go to the passage:

So all of this is all about the King of the North's exploits, and end. It sounds like he dies in an accident.

It is the King of the North who gets replaced, and the vile person.. well, that would be the Antichrist.
and if it's Turkey that starts the initial great empire that gets broken up, then the Northern Kingdom would contain Turkey and probably Syria, Lebanon, and Northern Iraq, so it would be the Northern Kingdom from which the Antichrist arises out of... which would fit...

Micah 5

We know this is about Jesus, and continuing on...

Now the ancient Assyrian Empire had long been conquered by the time Jesus was born, so this is not about that empire, and Jesus didn't move against any Assyrians in the 1st century... so.. we're talking about Eschatology here. The Assyrian is sometimes interpreted as the Antichrist, though many people like to brush this under the rug because they have a western European or American Antichrist.

The 4 kings start after Dan 10:1's 'great conflict'. This would be WWI, not the Islamic Revolution. In other words, Khamenei is this 4th king.

Dan 11's 'vile person' is the Assyrian, who is the Dan 8 Little Horn.

Psalm 83's coalition: 6the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites, of Moab and the Hagrites, 7of Gebal, Ammon, and Amalek, of Philistia with the people of Tyre. 8Even Assyria has joined them, lending strength to the sons of Lot.

the Assyrian places the abomination (Dan 11:31). This is Dan 9:26's people of the prince to come destroy the city & sanctuary.

Then Tyre confirms the Dan 9:27 covenant (and breaks it at the 7th Trumpet). Tyre is the Rev 10 mighty angel who is the Dan 12 'man in linen' who are 'swearing an oath to heaven'. Swearing an oath is what makes the covenant.

Tyre is an 'anointed angel' (Ezek 28:14). It is Tyre that 'calls himself a God (Ezek 28:9). Tyre is the Dan 7 Little Horn.

Jamdoc · Jul 6, 2025

tranquil said:
The 4 kings start after Dan 10:1's 'great conflict'. This would be WWI, not the Islamic Revolution. In other words, Khamenei is this 4th king.

I don't see anything about a great conflict in Daniel 10. The only conflict in Daniel 10 was the "Prince of Persia" held the Angel from coming to deliver the message to Daniel for weeks, and Michael had to help fight him.
But that's nothing to do with WW1, THAT was something that happened in Daniel's day. the Vision Daniel needed understanding of however, was NOT for Daniel's day but is for a future time, which is stated in Daniel 10:1.

Jamdoc · Jul 6, 2025

PesachPup said:
I don't have time (right now) to give a long reply, but let me point out an issue that I have with your view.
In verse 16 out says that "by HIS hand, shall he consume the glorious kingdom". But in verse 19 that " he shall stumble and not be found". They can't be the same person... if he is replaced by a "raiser of taxes".

Verses 1-20 focus on the KOS.

While 21- end of ch.11 focuses on the KON.
In verse 25: "he stirs up his courage against the KOS..
In verse 40: "the KOS shall push at him..."

I will wait for your reply to say anything further.
Be Blessed
The PuP

the Glorious Kingdom is Israel.

the shift from King of the South to King of the North begins in verse 13, where the subject changes

There's a chain of succession:
King -> Raiser of Taxes -> Vile Person.

in verse 25

25 And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.

If he's moving against the King of the South, then the King replaced by the raiser of taxes and then the vile person can't be the King of the South, it has to be the King of the North.
The King of the North is never again mentioned after verse 19 until verse 40 when apparently there's a new King of the North (or the old one found?) and the King of the South both move against the Vile Person (so the idea that Antichrist ever has total control of everything doesn't seem to line up, multiple nations reject him and fight against him).

PesachPup · Jul 8, 2025

Jamdoc said:
the Glorious Kingdom is Israel.

the shift from King of the South to King of the North begins in verse 13, where the subject changes

There's a chain of succession:
King -> Raiser of Taxes -> Vile Person.

in verse 25

If he's moving against the King of the South, then the King replaced by the raiser of taxes and then the vile person can't be the King of the South, it has to be the King of the North.
The King of the North is never again mentioned after verse 19 until verse 40 when apparently there's a new King of the North (or the old one found?) and the King of the South both move against the Vile Person (so the idea that Antichrist ever has total control of everything doesn't seem to line up, multiple nations reject him and fight against him).

Dan 11:25 KJV And HE shall stir up HIS power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.

He doesn't have to be the KON if the "HE" and "HIS", is a/the KOS who replaces the raiser of taxes.

Couple questions:

1. What number (of the 4 Persian kings that will arise) is this Vile King?
2. Does your view have ALL of the text of Daniel 11 happening before Michael stands up (and the war in heaven)? i.e. essentially before the midpoint of the final 7 years?

Be Blessed
The PuP

PesachPup · Jul 8, 2025

PesachPup said:
Dan 11:25 KJV And HE shall stir up HIS power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.

He doesn't have to be the KON if the "HE" and "HIS", is a/the KOS who replaces the raiser of taxes.

Couple questions:

1. What number (of the 4 Persian kings that will arise) is this Vile King?
2. Does your view have ALL of the text of Daniel 11 happening before Michael stands up (and the war in heaven)? i.e. essentially before the midpoint of the final 7 years?

Be Blessed
The PuP

I don't rule out for this Vile King to be the KON [also!]. If he serves to unite the 2 kingdoms together, that would make him the successor of the raiser of taxes and be the successor to the KOS, making him also KOS [and KON]. This fits with my understanding that there will be a (too late to recognize it) unified 10 nations attack on Israel. (The nation of Israel will not have prophetic foresight to see it coming to do anything about it).

The PuP

Jamdoc · Jul 8, 2025

PesachPup said:
Dan 11:25 KJV And HE shall stir up HIS power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.

He doesn't have to be the KON if the "HE" and "HIS", is a/the KOS who replaces the raiser of taxes.

Verse 15 the subject is the King of the North, not the King of the South, it's the King of the North that goes against the King of the South, consumes the glorious land, goes to the isles, and is lost but not found. The King of the North is not mentioned after that until Verse 40, but the King of the South is mentioned several times between then, and as you point out, the King of the South outlasts the King of the North, the King of the North gets replaced, the King of the South keeps going.
If you have it as the King of the South that gets replaced, then the King of the South did not continue longer than the King of the North.

PesachPup said:
Couple questions:

1. What number (of the 4 Persian kings that will arise) is this Vile King?

Has nothing to do with Persia.

It goes
1. 4 Persian Kings
2. Javan destroys Persia and becomes an Empire
3. Javan's first king dies and the kingdom is broken into 4 pieces not by his own posterity nor by his own dominion (that is, outside rulers are set up, think UN.. if it were to happen today think of it as Erdogan dies, and the UN divides up the empire he created and posts leaders in each new nation that are not any of Erdogan's family, generals, ministers, or anyone related to Turkey's government, it's a nuance where using these passages to say it was about Alexander primarily fails, as Alexander was succeeded by his generals, that is, according to his dominion, people directly under him)
4. King of the North vs King of the South
5. First the South seems to have the advantage, then the North
6. King of the North is lost in an accident, replaced by raiser of taxes
7. Raiser of Taxes is destroyed, not in anger or battle, so think poisoning or "an accident"
8. Vile Person.

It's coming out of the former Javan empire, not Persia. The Vile Person is the Assyrian, not the Persian, not the Egyptian.

PesachPup said:
2. Does your view have ALL of the text of Daniel 11 happening before Michael stands up (and the war in heaven)? i.e. essentially before the midpoint of the final 7 years?

No, the midpoint of the 70th week is here:
Daniel 11:

31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

The Abomination of Desolation is the established midpoint

Daniel 9:

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Daniel 8

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

The little horn is the vile person, it comes out of one of the 4 horns that split up after the big horn on the goat was broken, it has nothing to do with the ram (Persia)

Western/Israel led regime change is probably NOT going to happen to Iran

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