They are working with the nephilim underground

BPPLEE · Thursday at 11:53 PM

Apple Sky said:
I maybe wrong but I reckon this is why God said, ' to kill all the men, women, children & all the livestock' & may also be the reason he destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah.

Yes and if you read in Genesis 6 it says Noah was perfect in his generations. Meaning his bloodline had not been corrupted by this abomination. It was Satan's plan to corrupt the bloodline of man so that there could be no savior
Gen 6:9 NKJV
9 ¶ This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God.

Apple Sky · Friday at 12:01 AM

BPPLEE said:
Yes and if you read in Genesis 6 it says Noah was perfect in his generations. Meaning his bloodline had not been corrupted by this abomination.

I wonder if this corrupted blood line still exists today ?

BPPLEE · Friday at 2:37 AM

Apple Sky said:
I wonder if this corrupted blood line still exists today ?

I don't know but Jesus said that the end times would be like it was in Noah's day

Apple Sky · Friday at 2:57 AM

BPPLEE said:
I don't know but Jesus said that the end times would be like it was in Noah's day

We are on our way there. I wonder how bad it has to get before divine intervention puts the all to right once again ?

BPPLEE · Friday at 3:14 AM

Apple Sky said:
We are on our way there. I wonder how bad it has to get before divine intervention puts the all to right once again ?

The Day of the Lord
10 ¶ But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.fn

David Lamb · Friday at 5:38 AM

Zceptre said:
Yes, and leaving their own abode, means they entered into ours.

True, but as I keep saying, I was answering a post about Genesis 6, from GodCrazy which said: "But it say they came down from heaven i.e fallen angel." Genesis 6 says nothing about leaving their own abode.

David Lamb · Friday at 5:40 AM

BPPLEE said:
Only King Og of Bashan was left of the remaining Rephaites. (It is noteworthy that his sarcophagus was made of iron. Does it not, indeed, still remain in Rabbath of the Ammonites? It is thirteen and a half feet long and six feet wide according to standard measure.)

Yet another battle occurred in Gath. On that occasion there was a large man who had six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot, twenty-four in all! He too was a descendant of Rapha.
21 When he taunted Israel, Jonathan, the son of David's brother Shimeah, killed him.
22 These four were the descendants of Rapha who lived in Gath; they were killed by David and his soldiers.

But does any Scripture tell us that Og was one of the Nephilim? I am not saying there isn't one, but I haven't been able to find one if one does exist.

David Lamb · Friday at 5:44 AM

Apple Sky said:
But he was a giant who's clan were the Rephaim.

Deuteronomy 3:10 - 10 all the cities of the plateau, all of Gilead, and all of Bashan as far as the cities of Salecah and Edrei in the kingdom of Og. 11(For only Og king of Bashan had remained of the remnant of the Rephaim. His bed of iron, nine cubits long and four cubits wide, is still in Rabbah of the Ammonites.)

True, but were the Rephaim from the Nephilim? I looked up "Rephaim," and it has 10 mentions in the bible, 8 of them referring to the Valley of Rephaim. The Rephaim were giants, but they are nowhere called Nephilim.

BPPLEE · Friday at 7:53 AM

David Lamb said:
True, but were the Rephaim from the Nephilim? I looked up "Rephaim," and it has 10 mentions in the bible, 8 of them referring to the Valley of Rephaim. The Rephaim were giants, but they are nowhere called Nephilim.

How else do explain giants? And why were they all killed?

David Lamb · Friday at 7:56 AM

BPPLEE said:
How else do explain giants?

Various words are used in Scripture for "giant(s)". "Nephilim" is translated "giants," but Goliath, Og and others are also described as giants, but are never called Nephilim.

BPPLEE · Friday at 8:04 AM

David Lamb said:
Various words are used in Scripture for "giant(s)". "Nephilim" is translated "giants," but Goliath, Og and others are also described as giants, but are never called Nephilim.

They existed after the flood

And they spread among the Israelites a bad report about the land they had explored. They said, “The land we explored devours those living in it. All the people we saw there are of great size.

33 We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.”

Jesus is never called a Jew but we know he was one.
Just because some giants aren't called Nephilim doesn't mean they weren't

Zceptre · Friday at 2:06 PM

David Lamb said:
True, but as I keep saying, I was answering a post about Genesis 6, from GodCrazy which said: "But it say they came down from heaven i.e fallen angel." Genesis 6 says nothing about leaving their own abode.

I'm fully aware brother of what you meant.

But you are not following what I meant, and they are in fact correlated.

Genesis 6:1-4 speaks of a time before the Flood when humanity was multiplying rapidly on the earth. These verses introduce the phrase “sons of God,” who are said to have taken wives from among the “daughters of men.” The text reads: “the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful” (Genesis 6:2). This passage-just a few lines-carries profound implications and has occupied interpreters for centuries.

The phrase “sons of God” (Hebrew: bene ha’elohim) appears elsewhere in Scripture (e.g., Job 1:6, Job 2:1) and typically indicates a class of beings distinct from ordinary human beings. However, throughout the history of biblical interpretation, several viable positions have emerged.

Who were the "sons of God" in Genesis 6:1-4?

1. Job and Psalms:

This article will deal with this phrase as it is used in the above passages. In the passages from Job and Psalms it is applied to supernatural beings or angels. In Job the "sons of God" are represented as appearing before the throne of Yahweh in heaven, ready to do Him service, and as shouting for joy at the creation of the earth, In the Psalms they are summoned to celebrate the glory of Yahweh, for there is none among them to be compared to Him. The phrase in these passages has no physical or moral reference. These heavenly beings are called "sons of God" or "sons of the ‘elohim" simply as belonging to the same class or guild as the ‘elohim, just as "sons of the prophets" denotes those who belong to the prophetic order (see A.B. Davidson, Commentary on Job 1:6).

Sons of God (Old Testament) - International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia

Sons of God (Old Testament) :: (Old Testament) (bene ha-elohim, sons of God (Ge 6:2,4; Job 1:6; 2:1); bene elohim, sons of God (Job 38:7); bene elim, ye

www.blueletterbible.org

The divine council
Nobody questions the meaning of “the sons of God” here: these verses describe the Divine Council – the meeting in Heaven – therefore, the “sons of God” here are not humans, but rather angels, who are meeting with God. Notice that the words in Hebrew translated as “the sons of God” here, are the same as in Genesis 6:2: בְּנֵי הָאֱלֹהִים – b’nai ha Elohim.

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In Job 38, God references the "sons of God" shouting for joy during the creation of the universe, establishing their existence prior to Earth. This means that the phrase, "b’nai ha Elohim" or "b’nai Elohim," throughout the Old Testament is a reference to angels. Therefore, in Genesis 6, "the sons of God" refers to angels rather than humans.

Israel Institute of Biblical Studies

The Nephilim and the Sons of God

lp.israelbiblicalstudies.com

The fact that there is a distinction made to point to the fact that the offspring of these unions during this time were not normal is quite telling. Those who try to explain this away as some kind of normal occurrence that is simply pointed out for no reason seem to very obviously be running away from the simple and straightforward implications of the text and what it is telling the reader.

There were not "good dads" and "bad mothers" that made giants who were so wicked they convinced God to wipe the entire Earth out. To say such is more outlandish than what the supernatural depiction states. The giants are also recorded to have traits that are not human, being that the Holy Bible directly records them having 6 fingers and 6 toes, 24 digits in all, and that they have "brothers" that are giants which suggests the digits is a trait of the people group clearly. These are not "normal" people, and their entry into the world is not "normal" either.

To say that any of these things deliberately recorded for our knowledge are "normal" is to ignore the obvious details that show abundant evidence to the contrary and to hide ourselves from the "scary truth" to put blinders on so we sleep better or feel more comfortable.

The phrase describing the origin of them explicitly connects to other passages that depict the fathers of the nephilim as fallen angels. This horse has been beaten into grass by now and the knowledge of it is prolific in the world today, for those not trying to hide behind a curtain of normalcy.

Yes—giants existed—and it wasn’t just Goliath. Developing a well-rounded view about giants from the Bible requires studying the entire set (and not just a few) of the following Biblical passages: Genesis 6:4, 14:5; Numbers 13:28–33; Deuteronomy 1:28–3:11, 9:2; Joshua 11:21, 13:12, 14:12–15, 15:8–14, 17:15, 18:16; 1 Samuel 17:4, 49–50; 2 Samuel 5:18–25, 21:15–22; Amos 2:9; 1 Chronicles 11:23, 20:4–8; Numbers 13:22; Judges 1:20; Isaiah 17:5; Psalm 82, and Job 4:13–18. Scripture also includes passages that appear to highlight distinct characteristics about the giants/Nephilim, such as in Numbers 13:23-25 where two men are required to carry a “cluster of grapes” (why does the writer need to point this out?) and certain unique characters and family lines that were pursued, engaged in battle, and conquered (such as ‭‭Joshua‬ ‭15:13-14: “Now to Caleb the son of Jephunneh he gave a share among the children of Judah, according to the commandment of the LORD to Joshua, namely, Kirjath Arba, which is Hebron (Arba was the father of Anak). Caleb drove out the three sons of Anak from there: Sheshai, Ahiman, and Talmai, the children of Anak”). The angels that “broke their domain” were punished and judged (Jude 1:6–8 and 2 Peter 2:4–11). The giants/Nephilim and their descendants that were pursued and annihilated after the Flood (e.g., by David and Joshua) were present on earth either by a re-incursion or through the line of Ham’s wife (see Genesis 9:18 and others).

Nephilim: Biblical Giants? – Genesis Apologetics

genesisapologetics.com

Further reading:Giants in the Land: A Biblical Theology of the Nephilim, Anakim, Rephaim (and Goliath) — Knowing Scripture

When one stops trying to nullify such unmistakable things and starts digging into the full extent of the occurrence in the text across the Old Testament as a whole, the evidence is incriminating to say the least and in a court would be far more than what Simon Greenleaf used to validate the four Gospels.

Jude is referencing Genesis chapter six.

Apple Sky · Saturday at 1:11 AM

David Lamb said:
True, but were the Rephaim from the Nephilim? I looked up "Rephaim," and it has 10 mentions in the bible, 8 of them referring to the Valley of Rephaim. The Rephaim were giants, but they are nowhere called Nephilim.

And where do you think these giants came from ?

David Lamb · Saturday at 1:38 AM

BPPLEE said:
They existed after the flood

And they spread among the Israelites a bad report about the land they had explored. They said, “The land we explored devours those living in it. All the people we saw there are of great size.
33 We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.”

Jesus is never called a Jew but we know he was one.
Just because some giants aren't called Nephilim doesn't mean they weren't

Yes, I agree. I hope you didn't think I was saying they died out with the Flood.

As for Jesus not being called a Jew, He was called the Lion of Judah, and as far as His human nature was concerned He was from that tribe, so He was a Jew. But that's quite different from saying, "The Nephilim were giants, so all giants are Nephilim." That's rather like saying, "Mice are rodents, so all rodents are mice."

Apple Sky · Saturday at 1:57 AM

Apple Sky said:
Nimrod was supposed to have inherited the special skins that God gave to Adam & Eve after dispelling them from the Garden, apparently Noah had inherited them but Ham stole them and passed them on to his sons. What were these skins that made Nimrod strong and a mighty hunter ?

Godcrazy said:
I recently heard about the skins. I wonder what it was. When you think about how close to perfection Adam was, it might have something to do with it. Or maybe God blessed it

Could these skins be made from Aerogel - Fire & water resistance.

Aerogel is the lightest and lowest-density solid in the world. It’s a gel composed of 99.8% air. Looking like frozen smoke, this material is almost as light as air itself. It’s only 1.74 grams.

This substance may actually be found in the firmament, watch how this guy in the video covers himself in Aerogel and shines, could this be what happened to Moses on Mount Sinai ? If this is the case then Moses actually entered heaven & talked with God. This can also be called the light of Tabor.

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Aerogel is the lightest and lowest-density solid in the world. It’s a gel composed of 99.8% air. Looking like frozen smoke, this material is almost as light as air itself. It’s only 1.74 grams. It’s so light that even soap bubbles can lift it.

Despite its weight, it can withstand extreme temperatures from -273 degrees Celsius to 650 degrees Celsius and provides a protection against heat unlike anything else on Earth.

Aerogels can be in different shapes, given that they are 99% air, can you guess the kind of sound would an aerogel make? It’s like an empty can dropping onto a steel surface, very metallic. It’s quite different from what most of you might expect.

David Lamb · Saturday at 2:04 AM

Apple Sky said:
Could these skins be made from Aerogel - Fire & water resistance.

Aerogel is the lightest and lowest-density solid in the world. It’s a gel composed of 99.8% air. Looking like frozen smoke, this material is almost as light as air itself. It’s only 1.74 grams.

This substance may actually be found in the firmament, watch how this guy in the video covers himself in Aerogel and shines, could this be what happened to Moses on Mount Sinai ? If this is the case then Moses actually entered heaven & talked with God. This can also be called the light of Tabor.

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Aerogel is the lightest and lowest-density solid in the world. It’s a gel composed of 99.8% air. Looking like frozen smoke, this material is almost as light as air itself. It’s only 1.74 grams. It’s so light that even soap bubbles can lift it.

Despite its weight, it can withstand extreme temperatures from -273 degrees Celsius to 650 degrees Celsius and provides a protection against heat unlike anything else on Earth.

Aerogels can be in different shapes, given that they are 99% air, can you guess the kind of sound would an aerogel make? It’s like an empty can dropping onto a steel surface, very metallic. It’s quite different from what most of you might expect.

Yet the bible says that the coverings were made out of skin:

“Also for Adam and his wife the LORD God made tunics of skin, and clothed them.” (Ge 3:21 NKJV)

I'm told that the Hebrew word translated skin has the following meanings:

1) skin, hide
1a) skin (of men)
1b) hide (of animals)

So unless aerogel comes from an animal, I don't believe the coverings were made of aerogel.

Apple Sky · Saturday at 2:13 AM

David Lamb said:
So unless aerogel comes from an animal, I don't believe the coverings were made of aerogel.

Is it not in God's power to make & do what ever he likes ? I don't reckon in Moses time they would have understood what aerogel was.

David Lamb · Saturday at 2:31 AM

Apple Sky said:
Is it not in God's power to make & do what ever he likes ? I don't reckon in Moses time they would have understood what aerogel was.

Of course God can do anything He wants. But Genesis uses a Hebrew word that specifically means the skin or hide of an animal or a man. The matter of whether people of the time of Moses would not have understood what aerogel was makes no difference. The bible is God's word. If He had wanted to say, "God made tunics out of a unknown substance," He would have done so. Adam and Eve were the only humans at the time, so God wouldn't have made tunics out of their own skins. The conclusion is that God used animal skins. Many commentators say this indicates a sacrifice pointing forward to the final sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

Apple Sky · Saturday at 3:10 AM

David Lamb said:
Of course God can do anything He wants. But Genesis uses a Hebrew word that specifically means the skin or hide of an animal or a man.

Well if we are to take every word literally, What does 'firmament' mean in Hebrew & giant ?

In Hebrew, the word for "firmament" is רָקִ֫יעַ (pronounced rāqîaʿ), which translates to "expanse," "sky," or "firmament". It refers to the vast, solid dome or expanse created by God during the Genesis creation narrative to separate the waters above from the waters below. Some interpretations also consider it to be a solid structure or a beaten metal sheet.

In Hebrew, the concept of "giant" is conveyed through several words, most notably Nephilim (נְפִילִים) and Gibborim (גִּבּוֹרִים), with Rephaim (רְפָאִים) also referring to a race of giants. While "Nephilim" is often translated as "giants" and is linked to the Hebrew verb naphal (to fall), suggesting "the fallen ones" or "those who cause others to fall," "Gibborim" more accurately means "mighty men" or "mighty warriors

David Lamb · Saturday at 4:36 AM

Apple Sky said:
Well if we are to take every word literally, What does 'firmament' mean in Hebrew & giant ?

In Hebrew, the word for "firmament" is רָקִ֫יעַ (pronounced rāqîaʿ), which translates to "expanse," "sky," or "firmament". It refers to the vast, solid dome or expanse created by God during the Genesis creation narrative to separate the waters above from the waters below. Some interpretations also consider it to be a solid structure or a beaten metal sheet.

In Hebrew, the concept of "giant" is conveyed through several words, most notably Nephilim (נְפִילִים) and Gibborim (גִּבּוֹרִים), with Rephaim (רְפָאִים) also referring to a race of giants. While "Nephilim" is often translated as "giants" and is linked to the Hebrew verb naphal (to fall), suggesting "the fallen ones" or "those who cause others to fall," "Gibborim" more accurately means "mighty men" or "mighty warriors

We don't take every word of the bible literally. For example, when Jesus said, "I am the door," we don't understand Him to mean that He has a handle and hinges. But we are to make sure, as far as possible, that we check what the original Hebrew or Greek word meant.

As far as the word transated "firmament" is concerned, Strong's Concordance has:

07549. raqiya [raw-kee -ah;] from 07554; properly, an expanse, i.e. the firmament or (apparently) visible arch of the sky: firmament.

As you say, various Hebrew words are translated as "giant(s)". Here are the Strong's entries for two of them:

05303. n@phiyl [nef-eel ;] or n@phil [nef-eel ;] from 05307; properly, a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant: giant.

07497 rapha [raw-faw ] or
raphah [raw-faw ] or (plural)

from 07495 in the sense of invigorating; n pr gent/n pr loc/nm pr; [BDB-952a] [{See TWOT on 2198 @@ "2198d" }]

AV-giant 17, Rephaim 8; 25

1) giants, Rephaim
1a) old tribe of giants
2) name of a valley in Israel
3) name of an individual giant

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