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Baptism and communion

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Peace to all,

Paul taught the Pentecost of the Gentiles with Peter to the people in Cornelius. God did the exact same thing to Cornelius and the Gentiles as He did to the 120 Jewish followers on the day of Pentecost.

And Paul wrote more than half of the New Testament.

Corinthians

I don’t want you to forget, dear brothers and sisters, about our ancestors in the wilderness long ago. All of them were guided by a cloud that moved ahead of them, and all of them walked through the sea on dry ground.

They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.

They all ate the same spiritual food.

and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.

Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.

Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did.

Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: “The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry.”

We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died.

We should not test Christ, as some of them did—and were killed by snakes.

And do not grumble, as some of them did—and were killed by the destroying angel.

These things happened to them to serve as an example, and they were written down as a warning for us in whom the culmination of the ages has been attained.

So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall!

No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.

Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry.

I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say.

Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ?

Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf.

Consider the people of Israel: Do not those who eat the sacrifices participate in the altar?

Do I mean then that food sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything?

No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons.

You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons.

Are we trying to arouse the Lord’s jealousy? Are we stronger than he?

“I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything"—but not everything is constructive.

No one should seek their own good, but the good of others.

Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience

for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”

If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience.

But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, both for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience.

I am referring to the other person’s conscience, not yours. For why is my freedom being judged by another’s conscience?

If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for?

So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God.

Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God

even as I try to please everyone in every way. For I am not seeking my own good but the good of many, so that they may be saved. Peace to all,

The new covenant sacrifice has fulfilled the sacrifice of animals that has only saved the soul, but not the body. The New Living Sacrifice saves the soul and the Body.

The new living sacrifice is the Body of Christ, resurrected in the New Living Sacrifice, that allows the second coming of The Christ, The Body of all disciples as adopted brothers and sisters of Christ, to Transfigure into the image of the Creator, The Father.

To me, it is through the Baptism of John that allows the Body of Christ to die and descend and with flesh He, like a thief in the night breaks down the gates of Hell and binds the strong man in His own home, breaks down the walls with flesh and destroys death and Satan forever. And Jesus is with all the saints and angels and martyrs and old covenant saved and with Dismas, the good thief, the repentant sinner all from the Bosom of Abraham and now all from the cross. To me this is how all mankind is united through the Power of the Holy Spirit as one in being with the Father and the Son glorified and Transfigured into image of the creator. To me this is the logic of how we will see God, The Father.

Some teach Baptism is considered a Sacrament of the Dead in that Baptism brings life in The New Eve, the Body of Christ,to bring fully death and resurrection of the body through the power of the Holy Spirit will of God to be able to Transfigure in the sanctified fulfilled eternal love of The Christ, the Body of God, in the image of The Creator, the Father. Baptism is the Exodus, the Road out for salvation into the New Eve, the Bride of Christ, His Passion.

To me, this is the logic of Baptism and the Communion.

The Cloud and the Sea is the spirit and life and water that flowed from the Side of Christ. To me, Baptism and Communion in the fellowship of The Christ is to bring the being into the immortal and incorruptible Body into the Church of Christ. And then, The Communion, through reconfirmation of the Holy Spirit state of grace to the being the spirit is regenerated in the soul of the being for the body to become transfigured into the image of the Creator, into the pattern of the Father in Heaven. We, as all mankind united as one in being, will be like God.

And the Living Sacrifice is what restores sanctification to the soul of the being in the Body to transfigure, to become into the image of The Father, the Creator. To me this is the fulfillment of the eternal Love created by the flesh and soul of Adam and Eve. Adam’s only sin was he would give up his mortal eternal life to be with the Love of fallen Eve. And the “Gift” to US all is Jesus. In the Communion The Christ fulfills failed Love with eternal life of the Body. And the regenerated sanctified spirit in the soul of the being and immortal and incorruptible becomes eternal life of the Body, spirit and flesh in the soul of the being. Through the Power of the Holy Spirit will of God in the regenerated sanctified Holy Spirit in the Soul of the Being we become Transfigured into the image of The Father in the Body of The Christ.

To me, this is the logic of the second coming of The Christ, through the Power of the Holy Spirit.

From Iceland, An Empire for US, all mankind.

"From the rain comes a river
Running wild that we create
An empire for you
Illuminate there is a river
Running wild that will create
An empire for you." OMAM


To me, this is The "Gift."

Peace always,
m Stephen Andrew
And you then believe that 1 Cor 10:2 means that All were BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO with WATER // HUDOR ??

Is that what you are saying ??

And if that is what you mean , why is the Greek word HUDOR // WATER not in the Greek text ??

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I believe communion is personal between christ and the believer but is made where two or three are gathered to remember His sacrifice but requires not the faith of the other but the person so can have anywhere where christians are gathered. And even if not understand fully the mystery how it can be His actual body and blood you are eating and drinking without causing Him to suffer again and how it is possible to partake of actual flesh and blood that was offered at another time than it happened can believe it as christ said saying it is a mystery. For if you had to understand it even many orthodox and catholic could not have it not understanding. It says where 2 or 3 are gathered as sometimes needs 3 to make peace between 2 but that seems a general statement too but maybe He is present in communion just by yourself and christ too if you are remembering but maybe He is present in gathering only that He made it only when remembering christ together.

But perhaps His flesh and blood still exists slain but He is not suffering now that are partaking from that part cut off but He has a new body now that such pieces are cut off and because salvation was completed but unlike others that their body decays His is a special case that such body part does not decay and has ability to redeem if eat and drink from it. Or it is part of His resurrected body having His soul which does not feel pain when you eat and drink from it that the flesh that you eat yet is not taken from His body but remains but you are still partaking of His soul redemption through His flesh and blood in some mysterious way. But such is only necessary to be saved immediately before death if followed all of christ but even without communion one will be saved in world to come but not straightaway.
 
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I believe communion is personal between christ and the believer but is made where two or three are gathered to remember His sacrifice but requires not the faith of the other but the person so can have anywhere where christians are gathered. And even if not understand fully the mystery how it can be His actual body and blood you are eating and drinking without causing Him to suffer again and how it is possible to partake of actual flesh and blood that was offered at another time than it happened can believe it as christ said saying it is a mystery. For if you had to understand it even many orthodox and catholic could not have it not understanding. It says where 2 or 3 are gathered as sometimes needs 3 to make peace between 2 but that seems a general statement too but maybe He is present in communion just by yourself and christ too if you are remembering but maybe He is present in gathering only that He made it only when remembering christ together.

But perhaps His flesh and blood still exists slain but He is not suffering now that are partaking from that part cut off but He has a new body now that such pieces are cut off and because salvation was completed but unlike others that their body decays His is a special case that such body part does not decay and has ability to redeem if eat and drink from it. Or it is part of His resurrected body having His soul which does not feel pain when you eat and drink from it that the flesh that you eat yet is not taken from His body but remains but you are still partaking of His soul redemption through His flesh and blood in some mysterious way. But such is only necessary to be saved immediately before death if followed all of christ but even without communion one will be saved in world to come but not straightaway.
And I see two major verse that speak about the LORD'S SUPPER .

# 1 ONE MAJOR ONE is in Matt 26:26- 29 , which is written to Israel !!

# 2 The other major one is in 1 Cor 11:20-34 which is written to the BODY OF CHRIST !!

Your thoughts ?

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My thoughts are they are the same Christ instituted it as Paul said that He was saying the one he did in corinthians is from then when the Lord instituted it and it is said the break which we break is it not the communion of the body of Christ and it is called a supper so it is a food as Christ said My flesh is food indeed and My blood is drink indeed and He said this is My body but such is not necessary to ever be saved but just to commune with Christ to unite more fully with Him He made it to be saved immediately on death if one also followed all Christ’s will.
 
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And I see two major verse that speak about the LORD'S SUPPER .

# 1 ONE MAJOR ONE is in Matt 26:26- 29 , which is written to Israel !!

# 2 The other major one is in 1 Cor 11:20-34 which is written to the BODY OF CHRIST !!

Your thoughts ?

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But Matt 26:29 talking to the the disciples , that I WILL , NOT // ME is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE , meaning I wil NOTTTTTTTTTTTT ever drink , until that day when I drink it NEW with you in my FATHER'S KINGDOM

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It just means because Jesus is not here to physically be present to share the communion only then He can in heaven but we still partake of Him that He gives to us but not to be physically present
But the context is ONLY speaking to Israel in Matt 26:28 is speaking about the NEW COVENANT in the MILLENNIAL

KINGDOM // BASILEIA , is in the DATIVE CASE in the Singular .

And we are TAKEN away before Matt 26:28 happens !!

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But the context is ONLY speaking to Israel in Matt 26:28 is speaking about the NEW COVENANT in the MILLENNIAL

KINGDOM // BASILEIA , is in the DATIVE CASE in the Singular .

And we are TAKEN away before Matt 26:28 happens !!

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No, Dan, the Church is not taken away before Matt 26:28 happens. The blood of the New Covenant was shed almost 2000 years ago, and the New Covenant is for anyone, Jew or Gentile, who accepts Jesus as the Christ and the Son of God.
 
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Bible only christians should offer communion in their church as real body and blood just to be saved immediately on death to fulfill the great commision so that people are not saved fully without their work but they are still saved.

And to satisfy some people would be better if some taught it as required baptism and comminion though I dont think it is required but they are not aiding for great commision that churches should exist everywhere to serve to do to teach incase so even if not know to think it could not be necessary yet can accept it just incase that it is necessary.

However it is not an excuse not to believe as should trust God justice that such is not required but that people should do such that people can be saved immediately on death.
 
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Bible only christians should offer communion in their church as real body and blood just to be saved immediately on death to fulfill the great commision so that people are not saved fully without their work but they are still saved.

And to satisfy some people would be better if some taught it as required baptism and comminion though I dont think it is required but they are not aiding for great commision that churches should exist everywhere to serve to do to teach incase so even if not know to think it could not be necessary yet can accept it just incase that it is necessary.

However it is not an excuse not to believe as should trust God justice that such is not required but that people should do such that people can be saved immediately on death.
AND i HAVE NEVER heard , that just to be saved immediately on death to fulfil the great commission and will you present

a verse , please where is a verse about that commission ??

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If we truly love God, then we will obey "Every word" that proceeds out of his mouth (Matthew 4:4). Baptism is one of those words. In order to be baptized, certain events must take place: You must repent, give up a lifestyle where sin has dominion, (ruler ship) over you. Sin according to 1 John 3:4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression (breaking) of the law. You must be taught "The Word", before you can adhere to God's commandments (judgments\statues). These laws are found in the Holy Bible; beginning with Genesis and ending with Revelation. You must believe what the bible says and finally, you must confess that Jesus is Lord. Once this has been accomplished, you are qualified to be baptized in the name of Jesus.

"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, "repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38). “Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.” Romans 6:3-4,

"And he said unto them, go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." (Mark 16:15-16).
 
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The Lord's Supper I Corinthians (11:20) When you come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

Paul in the above verse made a reference to the Passover by referring to it as the Lord's supper. If one looks at verse (11:23-26) they will clearly see that Paul is talking about the Passover. Let’s take a look at it…. 23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: 24 and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. 25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. 26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

The following verse shows what Paul is talking about when he speaks of not eating the Lord's supper. Exodus (12:11) And thus shall ye eat it; with your lions girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the Lord's passover.

What are you eating in the above verse? You are eating the Passover meal. Paul just substituted the word supper in place of passover. This is hardly enough for anyone to do away with God's commandment of observing the Passover and adopting a tradition of observing the Lord's supper. In addition verse (11:20) is the only time a reference is made using the term the Lord's supper in the bible.

Communion Here again we have people taking Paul's writing and coming up with their own doctrine. Some churches refer to the Passover as communion. They get this from the following verse.

I Corinthians (10:16) The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

We see that this verse is talking about the Passover where Christ instructed His disciples to take of the cup and bread. The word communion simply means to share. Paul instead of saying is it not the sharing of the blood of Christ, substituted in the word communion. Communion is used in II Corinthians (6:14) where it states and what communion hath light with darkness? I pointed this out to show that communion and sharing have the same meaning. Again how does one not obey God's commandment concerning the Passover? yet observe the practice of having communion. You can not find in the bible where it says observe the Lord's communion.

The Last Supper The term the Last supper comes from the fact that Jesus stated to His disciples this will be the last time He will eat with them until the kingdom of God comes. But that does not take away from the fact that it was the Passover meal they were observing. Also, Jesus did eat after the passover: Luke 24 41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? 42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. 43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
 
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