The Time We Live In : Gog and Magog

keras said:

When Bible Prophecy uses the ancient names of Israel and Judah, etc, we need to realize they no longer exist. The math of genetic dispersion proves that everyone living today, has some of Abrahams genes.
The prime example is the Jewish State of Israel, their claim to be the House of Judah, has no proof of any kind. In fact the historical record tells us the Ashkenazi Jews descended from the Kazak peoples and the Sephardim Jews, from the Edomites. [What King Herod was]
That nation is not; in any way, the People of God.

Those ancient names do have a meaning, Israel for example means an Overcomer for God and we see how each of the seven Church's in Revelation 2 & 3, have Overcomers in them. Each of the twelve sons of Jacob were named according to their characteristics and the Christian peoples will be divided accordingly, 12 'types' of the people, when they form the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, in all of the Holy Land. As per Revelation 7:1-14

God does have a secret. but one which can only be discerned by those without an agenda, such as a Jewish redemption, made to suit the false 'rapture to heaven' theory.

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keras said:

God knows where the lost tribes of Israel, the ten Northern tribes; are located today. Amos 9:9

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I'm confused. I thought you were saying that was everyone?

Is it the same as Isaiah 66?
And they will bring all your brothers from all the nations as a gift to the Lord on horses and chariots and wagons, on mules and camels, to My holy mountain Jerusalem,” says the Lord, “just as the Israelites bring an offering in a clean vessel to the house of the Lord.”
“And I will select some of them as priests and Levites,” says the Lord

keras said:

THEY are the People whom God sent Jesus to save; Matthew 15:24 So it has to be those who have accepted the Salvation Jesus offered, who are the Israelites of God, the ones who produce the proper fruit. Matthew 21:43
Paul states it - we Christians are the true Israelites of God. Galatians 6:14-16

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Leaf473 said:

I'm confused. I thought you were saying that was everyone?

Is it the same as Isaiah 66?

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Gods plan to choose a people group, then to open up Salvation to all who will accept it, is not a difficult concept.
Jesus; the ultimate Man - the culmination of that chosen people, is the one Seed of Abraham and the only true Israel. Who Overcame Satan and Death for us, His followers, who can rightly claim the title of Israelite.
However, it is also a Biblical truth that God knows who and where the descendants of the House of Israel - the ten Northern tribes, are. Amos 9:9

Therefore; it is quite simple to deduce that the majority of the Christian peoples, do actually descend from Israel. In the nations of Europe, America and the British Commonwealth. Proved by how they received the Blessings of Jacob and Moses.

Isaiah 66:18b-21, is a Prophecy of the great second Exodus. How the Christian peoples will travel to and gather in all of the Holy Land.
This will happen soon after all the Middle East region has been cleared and cleansed by the Lord, by His terrible Day of fiery wrath. The Sixth Seal world changer that will commence all the things prophesied to take place before Jesus Returns. Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Revelation 6:12-17

keras said:

Gods plan to choose a people group, then to open up Salvation to all who will accept it, is not a difficult concept.

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Right

keras said:

Jesus; the ultimate Man - the culmination of that chosen people, is the one Seed of Abraham and the only true Israel. Who Overcame Satan and Death for us, His followers, who can rightly claim the title of Israelite.
However, it is also a Biblical truth that God knows who and where the descendants of the House of Israel - the ten Northern tribes, are. Amos 9:9

Therefore; it is quite simple to deduce that the majority of the Christian peoples, do actually descend from Israel. In the nations of Europe, America and the British Commonwealth. Proved by how they received the Blessings of Jacob and Moses.

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Possibly Praise God that many people are now coming to Christ in places like India, Indonesia, South Korea

We may have a different reading of world history

keras said:

Isaiah 66:18b-21, is a Prophecy of the great second Exodus. How the Christian peoples will travel to and gather in all of the Holy Land.
This will happen soon after all the Middle East region has been cleared and cleansed by the Lord, by His terrible Day of fiery wrath. The Sixth Seal world changer that will commence all the things prophesied to take place before Jesus Returns. Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Revelation 6:12-17

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Possible again

You are worthy to take the book and to open its seals, for you were killed, and bought us for God with your blood out of every tribe, language, people, and nation Revelation 5

keras said:

Isaiah 66:18b-21, is a Prophecy of the great second Exodus. How the Christian peoples will travel to and gather in all of the Holy Land.

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More than 'possible' Leaf.
That Prophecy reads clearly; The Lords peoples will gather into the Holy Land. Many other Bible Prophesies confirm this and how they will be the Lords witnesses and His Light to the nations.
Then we are told how the Anti-Christ 'beast' will conquer them: Daniel 7:25 & Revelation 13:5-7 Some will be taken to a place of safety, Rev 12:14, but many must remain under persecution. Revelation 12:17

This truth destroys any ideas of a rapture, pre, mid or post. At the Glorious Return, those who are not still in Jerusalem, will be gathered there. Matthew 24:31

keras said:

More than 'possible' Leaf.
That Prophecy reads clearly; The Lords peoples will gather into the Holy Land. Many other Bible Prophesies confirm this and how they will be the Lords witnesses and His Light to the nations.
Then we are told how the Anti-Christ 'beast' will conquer them: Daniel 7:25 & Revelation 13:5-7 Some will be taken to a place of safety, Rev 12:14, but many must remain under persecution. Revelation 12:17

This truth destroys any ideas of a rapture, pre, mid or post. At the Glorious Return, those who are not still in Jerusalem, will be gathered there. Matthew 24:31

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“For just as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, will endure before Me,” declares the Lord, “so your descendants and your name will endure.
From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

We will be considered descendants of Israel, and have their name? Cool!

And we'll be celebrating new moons and sabbaths? Very interesting!

And getting there on chariots and mules? That would fit well with Ezekiel 38, a massive regression in technology

Cleanse Your Holy Land and give strength to Your People:
Psalms 68:1-35 Let the Lord arise, let His enemies be scattered. Let those who hate Him be gone! Let the Lord’s enemies perish in His fiery judgement 1, like wax before a fire and as smoke is dispersed.

Lord: summon Your strength, use it now as You did for Your people long ago. Rebuke those wild beasts, those proud and arrogant sinners; all those who love violence and war 2. All power and strength belongs to the Lord, enthroned on high. Cleanse now Your holy Land and give strength to Your people, we pray.
The Lord says: I shall bring My enemies together into the place of slaughter, from wherever they are. I will smite them there, their blood will flow out so that you can bathe your feet in it and your dogs will lick it up. Psalms 63, Micah 4:11-12

When the Lord speaks out in mighty thunder 1, kings and their armies will flee in terror. When the Almighty scatters those evil peoples and clears the holy Land, snow will fall on Mt Zalman 3.

We sing the praises of our Saviour and Redeemer. He who rides on the clouds, He is our Father and the defender of His righteous people, but those who refuse to acknowledge Him will remain in the desert 4.

When the Lord saves His people, there will be thousands of vehicles for them 5, as He leads them to safety through the barren desert. The earth will tremble and rain will pour down to replenish the holy Land 6. There Your people will settle, for in Your goodness Lord, You provide for the poor and needy.
The procession of all Israel comes into view; into the Holy city. First the singers, then the musicians. The little tribe of Benjamin will lead, with Judah, Zebulon and Naphtali following, marching on their way the Zion’s holy mountain: on to the Temple in Jerusalem. Kings will bring gifts and envoys will come from far off nations to honour and praise Israel’s God. His Majesty and blessing is over the holy Land , the Lord enthroned in heaven will give strength to His people 7. Praise be to God!
Ref: REB, CJB. Psalm 68 in a chronological order.

1/The Lord’s judgement by fire; an earth directed CME explosion of the sun: Isaiah 30:25-28, Malachi 4:1, Isaiah 66:15-16, Revelation 6:12-17, 2 Peter 3:10

2/ The Islamic peoples who love war and death: Ezekiel 35:5-6, Proverbs 1:16

3/ Mt Zalman – near Shechem. [Nablus] This detail informs us that the Day of the Lord’s wrath will happen during a Northern winter. Judges 9:48, Matthew 24:20

4/ Then all of the Lord’s people are gathered, all of the faithful Christian peoples from every tribe of Israel from every race, nation and language, are then ‘passed under the rod of judgement’. Ezekiel 20:35-38…’those who revolt and rebel will not enter the Land’. Deuteronomy 32:36, Isaiah 35:1-10

5/ The Lord will provide transport! Isaiah 66:20, Psalms 107:1-32, Isaiah 60:1-9

6/ All of the holy Land will be regenerated and become fertile: Ezekiel 36:8-11, Isaiah 35:1-2, Isaiah 66:12, Joel 2:21-26, Amos 9:13-15

7/ Strength and comfort to His people: Isaiah 40:29-31, Jer. 31:21-26, Zech. 10:12

Note: that the Lord remains ‘enthroned in heaven’. The glorious Return comes later. The Lord's true Christian people, from every tribe, [of Israel] every nation, [of the world] every language, [ethnic group] will gather in Jerusalem. Revelation 7:9.

WE will build the Temple, Zechariah 6:15.

WE will elect leaders, Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11.

WE will greet Jesus after all that is prophesied takes place, with the shout: Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord!