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No you didn't and neither did I.
Then I’d reread it if I were you.
Then why do they want them?
Again, they don’t.
Why not? What's the concern?
Again, they know how they work.
I do, that's why I said the left is fearful.
Being fearful and not wanting to cater to those who enjoy gun culture despite the consequences are two very different things.
Why? What was the concern?
You don’t understand why any rational person would have concerns over two countries going to war…?
Why is a problem? Whats the concern?
If you don’t know why staying silent while watching an act of violence or injustice occur is a problem, you’re beyond help and ill equipped for a discussion on ethics or morality. It’s not fear, it’s that they get that staying silent is complicity and a sign of moral bankruptcy.
Then why do they keep.saying so?
They don’t…?
Really? What does the science say is going to happen?
Again, if you don’t know, I’m not sure you’re really equipped to have this discussion. It’s pretty basic facts.
I was never upset over the fearful thing. I'm trying to point out the right isn't any more fearful than the left.
You seem to equate knowing cause and effect, actions and consequences, and then equating not wanting the negative consequences with being fearful. It’s a rudimentary, simplistic conclusion to draw but given your inability to articulate any answers to your questions above, I’m not surprised, but it does mean I understand better why all of this is so confusing to you.

I fact, due to the fact that the left has much more mental health problems and the fact that the right is more resilient, per the research, one could say that the things the left fears is more damaging to them. Their fear is bringing about more problems for them.
You keep saying this, yet you’ve yet to provide any proof of it, then you draw conclusions based off the thing you assume to be true that are super wild conclusions which defy all logic.
Hey, it’s not my research. If you don't want to believe it I cant make you.
Listen, I get it. You want to believe that to have your ideology you’re strong, capable, paragons of strength and masculinity and moral fortitude. The ideology that opposes yours you want to believe are mentally ill, weak, inferior hysterics. i get that’s something you need because believing they’re anything else means you’d have to do some heavy lifting to justify your beliefs and (gasp) entertain the potential you could be wrong. And I get that establishing a pecking order where there is a superior class and a weaker, inferior class is very important to some.

I get it, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to play dumb or participate in that behavior. You’re big mad the study challenges your perception so the solution is to invent a narrative based off nonsense to refute it. End of story.
 
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I was banned for saying I have a stance everybody knows I have:

I replied:


The response I got:



So yes, when a moderator is telling you that having an incorrect viewpoint is a problem and caps it off with a quasi threat that implies I’m on their radar and will be further moderated for expressing that viewpoint… Yeah. That’s cultivating a safe space for those who don’t want to hear about dissenting viewpoints.

Especially given that the moderator is wrong, that being of my stance doesn’t mean you accept something, and that accepting means promoting. I accept people die, get cancer, drink and drive, beat their spouses, etc etc… But because I accept we live in a world that it happens, that doesn’t mean I’m saying you should go do those things or I’m promoting them as a solution. However, despite the obviously incorrect logic designed specifically to get people of my viewpoint to be silent, I highly doubt a they’d have admitted they were wrong and let me state the obvious viewpoint I have.
And yet, you're here.
 
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We can't state all our opinions. At least 3 major ones come to mind. Don't worry, the right is safe from those. This place was once not safe, but an entire sub-forum section got taken down to make it safe once again.
Lol, we cant share all of our opinions either. So dont worry the left is safe from those as well.

Its not the conservatives in society who want safe spaces nor to shut down speech we can't handle.
 
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And yet, you're here.
Bans end, my guy, and to keep from being banned again, I can’t talk about my actual views, because it will offend somebody on the right, trigger them into reporting me, all in the quest for a safe space.
 
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Bans end, my guy, and to keep from being banned again, I can’t talk about my actual views, because it will offend somebody on the right, trigger them into reporting me, all in the quest for a safe space.
If this were a true "safe space" for...whomever...there would be no opposite opinions allowed whatsoever.
 
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Lol, we cant share all of our opinions either. So dont worry the left is safe from those as well.
There’s a difference between you not being able to flame somebody you don’t like, and not being able to express a basic counter viewpoint on abortion, gay marriage, or social issues because somebody doesn’t like hearing it.
Its not the conservatives in society who want safe spaces nor to shut down speech we can't handle.
You keep saying that, yet nobody here has asked for that, nor is that something that’s a liberal belief. You keep saying it is because that’s the thing that conservative personalities and media project onto liberals, but it’s not something that’s core to liberal beliefs.

But I tell you what… How about we send a drag queen into a library, a transgender woman into a bathroom, or an openly gay male teacher into a kindergarten class. Let’s see who screeches about safe spaces then.
 
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If this were a true "safe space" for...whomever...there would be no opposite opinions allowed whatsoever.
Correct. There are no opposite opinions allowed for a variety of core issues.
 
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Correct. There are no opposite opinions allowed for a variety of core issues.
If this were a true "safe space" for...whomever...there would be no opposite opinions allowed whatsoever.

You seemed to have a problem understanding "...no opposite opinions allowed whatsoever," so I repeated it.
 
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Again, they don’t.
Of course they do. You know this. The current iteration of Safe Spaces is a leftist thing. Micro agressions, the need to be free of hearing triggering words etc is all from the left.
Again, they know how they work.
What do you mean they know how they work. That doeant tell me what the problem is.
Being fearful and not wanting to cater to those who enjoy gun culture despite the consequences are two very different things.
Why dont you want to "cater" to the fun culture? What are you concerned about with the gun culture. What is a gun culture anyway?
You don’t understand why any rational person would have concerns over two countries going to war…?
So you were afraid we were going to war.
If you don’t know why staying silent while watching an act of violence or injustice
Why is it violence? What makes perceived injustice violence and what makes silence violence?
You seem to equate knowing cause and effect, actions and consequences, and then equating not wanting the negative consequences with being fearful. It’s a rudimentary, simplistic conclusion to draw but given your inability to articulate any answers to your questions above, I’m not surprised, but it does mean I understand better why all of this is so confusing to you.
Im afraid its you who appear not to be able to come up with any answers. I've told you what I see is the answer. It's rhe left is fearful and just as fearful as the right. Your dodging the answers or denying the facts are evidence you know it too.

My point is not that the right is NOT afraid of anything. Its to point out that somehow rhe right operates out of fear while ignoring the fact that left does as well.

The other question may be, do either of the two groups really operate out of fear or are we both operating out of a considered belief that something negative is going to occur if we continue down a certain pathway. And do both sides have a legitimate concern.

For example, does the left have a legitimate concern over climate change?

Does the right have a legitimate concern over mass illegal immigration?

If you answer yes only to your side and no to the other then you will look down on the other side as just being fearful, which is used to dismiss the concerns.

Both sides have legitimate and well reasoned concerns over certain things. And both sides will take those concerns to extremes. One side does not have a monopoly on it.
 
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Bans end, my guy, and to keep from being banned again, I can’t talk about my actual views, because it will offend somebody on the right, trigger them into reporting me, all in the quest for a safe space.
I dont think you know what a safe spaces is. Safe spaces were set up for people who hold rhe same opinions to be together and not have to hear opposite opinions. The fact that you are still here and sharing opposite opinions with a sparky tone "my guy" is evidence this isnt really a safe space nor is it meant to be.
 
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There’s a difference between you not being able to flame somebody you don’t like, and not being able to express a basic counter viewpoint on abortion, gay marriage, or social issues because somebody doesn’t like hearing it.
We cant often share our opinions on those topics either. Even without flaming. You can most certainly express your opposite viewpoint on many if not all of those topics. There are just certain thinks you cant advocate for. Neither can we.
 
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But I tell you what… How about we send a drag queen into a library
How about we send a white supremacist into a school instead.
a transgender woman into a bathroom,
A man into a woman's bathroom you mean.


openly gay male teacher into a kindergarten class.
There are a lot of openly gay teachers in schools right now. In fact its far more acceptable to be openly say than it is to be openly Christian in the classroom.
 
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If this were a true "safe space" for...whomever...there would be no opposite opinions allowed whatsoever.

You seemed to have a problem understanding "...no opposite opinions allowed whatsoever," so I repeated it.
And you seem to have a problem understanding that on some issues there are no opposite opinions allowed.
 
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Of course they do. You know this. The current iteration of Safe Spaces is a leftist thing. Micro agressions, the need to be free of hearing triggering words etc is all from the left.
It is nonsense projected onto the left by the right, not something the left is actually asking for.
What do you mean they know how they work. That doeant tell me what the problem is.
Exactly. They know how they work and you don’t, hence your need to have it explained (again).
Why dont you want to "cater" to the fun culture? What are you concerned about with the gun culture. What is a gun culture anyway?
I feel like if you can’t answer these questions, you should probably refrain from speaking on it. You’re the one who’s making all these claims about what the left is, what it wants, why it’s bad… And yet here you are, asking again for somebody to teach you what somebody who’s “on the left” believes.
So you were afraid we were going to war.
Afraid of war? No. War is a necessary evil. Not wanting to go to war when we don’t have to? Not wanting to provoke a war when we don’t need to? Not contributing to a war I’m not confident we’d win? Yes.
Why is it violence? What makes perceived injustice violence and what makes silence violence?
Again, if you don’t know why remaining silent in the face of violence is a problem and a sign of ethical and moral defectiveness, I’m not sure what to tell you. What I do know, though, is your ilk seems to really enjoy when the media/right personalities can condense down something complicated to a simple rhyme that you can bandy about during a “liberals bad” rant, lol.
Im afraid its you who appear not to be able to come up with any answers. I've told you what I see is the answer. It's rhe left is fearful and just as fearful as the right. Your dodging the answers or denying the facts are evidence you know it too.
I know no such thing. I just have no interest in holding your hand and walking you through the nuances of a topic and a belief structure. I’ve done it before, you refuse to learn, refuse to grow, refuse to challenge yourself, and you are just stuck on the spiel you’re told to go on about liberals bad, Republicans good, and you lack any understanding of political, scientific, or social issues beyond that spiel. You cite nothing. You say nonsense. You don’t change. Having danced that dance before, I don’t feel like wasting my time, again, trying to lead you to the water you won’t drink.

Frankly, the fact that you’re all like “I know liberals think this, liberals think that, liberals do this, liberals do that,” but then follow all of those up with questions like “why do the left not like gun culture?” it shows you lack even the most basic of information about the viewpoint you let us know you don’t like. Which means despite your insisting and projecting onto liberals what they believe, you reveal yourself to be super uninformed, which means your rants about what they believe are just that… Rants. Not facts.
My point is not that the right is NOT afraid of anything. Its to point out that somehow rhe right operates out of fear while ignoring the fact that left does as well.
When you get around to proving that in ant way, I’ll let you know. So far, I haven’t seen it.
The other question may be, do either of the two groups really operate out of fear or are we both operating out of a considered belief that something negative is going to occur if we continue down a certain pathway. And do both sides have a legitimate concern.

For example, does the left have a legitimate concern over climate change?

Does the right have a legitimate concern over mass illegal immigration?

If you answer yes only to your side and no to the other then you will look down on the other side as just being fearful, which is used to dismiss the concerns.
I think that says more about you than anything else. Acknowledging the right as responding from fear has nothing to do with dismissing their concerns. If anything, it inspires pity and compassion because fear is a motivator, but in many cases, it’s not rational and/or the response to mitigate the fear isn’t rational. It means that after posts like yours, we can be sympathetic that it’s fear-based lashing out and then respond to it accordingly. It explains the emotion over logic, the lack of compassion or understanding, and even the lack of knowledge. It also lets us know how to respond to it and why responses that use logic or try to encourage tolerance don’t work.

However, you just revealed that being fearful is a means to look down on and dismiss somebody’s concerns. It goes a long way to explaining why you want so badly to say the left is fearful and why you are so upset at your side being identified as fearful.

Both sides have legitimate and well reasoned concerns over certain things. And both sides will take those concerns to extremes. One side does not have a monopoly on it.
Finally, a roundabout admission that the right operates from fear. Didn’t I say this was how this was going to go earlier? LoL!
 
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I dont think you know what a safe spaces is. Safe spaces were set up for people who hold rhe same opinions to be together and not have to hear opposite opinions.
I’m so glad you took the time to explain that to me like I didn’t get what the right says a safe place is, like my understanding what that is the issue, and that the issue isn’t that you’re just not getting that this is a place where people of the same opinions can be together without hearing opposite opinions.
The fact that you are still here and sharing opposite opinions with a sparky tone "my guy" is evidence this isnt really a safe space nor is it meant to be.
My guy, let me be blunt because you seem to not be getting it… This is a safe place for people who don’t want to hear anything but the anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-liberal viewpoint, and more than just a few people mass report people who don't share conservative ideology because they find it offensive.

Because I’m disagreeing with you now and not being punished for it is either because I’m following the rules enough to not be banned, because I am moderating myself to not declaring my political ideology, or because the moderators haven’t gotten to this thread to shut it down or delete my posts yet. The fact that I had to retract my viewpoint in the post I made to ensure I played by the rules is an accommodation I have to make in order to make sure you get your safe space and I don’t get banned. That’s all.

The fact that you’re snide and irritated at my being disagreeable with you shows that even you expect that there should be protection from the likes of me and my opinion in your safe space, lol.
 
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We cant often share our opinions on those topics either. Even without flaming. You can most certainly express your opposite viewpoint on many if not all of those topics. There are just certain thinks you cant advocate for. Neither can we.
If I said I were pro-choice, I’d be banned. If you said you were pro-life, you would not be. That’s a fact we all know, and why you pretend it’s not is disingenuous, even for you.
 
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How about we send a white supremacist into a school instead.
Weird tactic. Not only ignoring the thing we all know sends you into a tizzy, but then making a comparison between a white supremacist in a school like liberals would be upset but conservatives would not be… Because somehow supporting a racist is the desirable variable in that scenario…?
A man into a woman's bathroom you mean.
Whoops! There’s that mask of “I don’t need safe spaces” slipping a bit, lol.

There are a lot of openly gay teachers in schools right now. In fact it’s far more acceptable to be openly say than it is to be openly Christian in the classroom.
Then it’s delightful to learn of your recent change in belief that has you supportive of drag queen story hour, people being openly gay in a school setting, and transgender people in bathrooms related to their gender identity. I’ll assume you’re not for banning books anymore, either.
 
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