Cessationism isn't biblical

Guojing · Sunday at 10:20 PM

ARBITER01 said:
If it was that easy, then everyone would have it.

Ministries are given by The Lord Jesus, and it is up to Him if a person is really ready for such a thing.

I am not saying its easy, I am saying salvation is by faith alone. You need to believe first, of course not everyone will.

But you are implying the gift of healing requires more than faith from a believer.

You understand the difference?

Hoping2 · Sunday at 10:48 PM

Guojing said:
No one said the tongues will make the nation of Israel believe.

True: in fact, even if they hear the gift of tongues, they won't change their hearts towards God...at least during the time Isaiah was speaking.

Guojing said:
I am saying if Israel hear tongues, its a sign that they are unbelieving.

Do you think Joseph and Mary thought they were under condemnation when they moved to Egypt ? (Matt 2:13-14)

Guojing said:
Its the same situation in Acts 2. The nation is in judgement for crucifying their Messiah (Acts 2:36). Even then, only a small remnant believe and were cut in their hearts (Acts 2:37)

That judgement didn't come for 70(?) more years.

Guojing said:
Then you need to show scripture that says when Israel heard a foreign language that they do not understand, it is something else other than judgement from God.

I will repeat, Matt 2:13-14.

Guojing said:
This actually goes way back before Israel was even formed, if you recall the story of the Tower of Babel.

Show where condemnation is mentioned in Gen 11.

Guojing · Sunday at 10:54 PM

Hoping2 said:
That judgement didn't come for 70(?) more years.

We now know that Daniel's 70th week was postponed indefinitely.

But at Acts 2, when the Spirit came on Peter to remind Israel of the Joel prophecy in Acts 2:16-20, it was understood then that judgement would come in anytime then, since the 69th week was the cross, where Messiah will be "cut off".

Hoping2 said:
I will repeat, Matt 2:13-14.

Israel is a nation, I was not referring to individual Jews in the nation.

Hoping2 said:
Show where condemnation is mentioned in Gen 11.

The tower of Babel was God's judgement on Noah's descendants who did not obey God's command to scatter.

Instead they gathered in one location, to build a tower.

God judged them when he confused their single language into foreign languages that they could not understand.

ARBITER01 · 2025-06-30T02:08:45-0500

Guojing said:
I am not saying its easy,

You certainly thought it should be as easy as salvation.

Guojing said:
I am saying salvation is by faith alone. You need to believe first, of course not everyone will.

But you are implying the gift of healing requires more than faith from a believer.

You understand the difference?

It requires the filling of The Holy Spirit after salvation, then it requires an anointing upon your head from The Father, but first and foremost, it requires that you love GOD more than His power.

Like I said, if it was as easy as salvation, everyone would have it and be operating in it. Some things are just not as easy to attain from GOD.

Guojing · 2025-06-30T03:18:31-0500

ARBITER01 said:
Like I said, if it was as easy as salvation, everyone would have it and be operating in it. Some things are just not as easy to attain from GOD.

Another way to understand why no one is operating in that gift of healing today, is because it is no longer given, during the fall of Israel (Romans 11:11).

But since you believe that gift is for today, together with your conclusion that there is no one operating in that gift today, I can understand why you would think it must be harder to be healed, than to be saved.

ARBITER01 · 2025-06-30T04:18:21-0500

Guojing said:
Another way to understand why no one is operating in that gift of healing today, is because it is no longer given, during the fall of Israel (Romans 11:11).

Or,....... you can trust the words of GOD and what Jesus confirms to you instead of being an unbeliever over it.

Guojing said:
But since you believe that gift is for today, together with your conclusion that there is no one operating in that gift today, I can understand why you would think it must be harder to be healed, than to be saved.

Was it easy for Jesus to receive? That was His ministry upon the earth, did He receive that gift/ministry instantly from GOD just because He believed?

Guojing · 2025-06-30T21:33:01-0500

ARBITER01 said:
Was it easy for Jesus to receive? That was His ministry upon the earth, did He receive that gift/ministry instantly from GOD just because He believed?

Israel's promised Messiah is supposed to usher Israel into their promised kingdom, where none of them will be sick (Acts 10:38, Isaiah 33:24)

Jesus won't be a credible Messiah to them, if he did not had that gift to show them as a sign (John 20:30-31).

ARBITER01 · 2025-07-01T01:57:50-0500

Guojing said:
Israel's promised Messiah is supposed to usher Israel into their promised kingdom, where none of them will be sick (Acts 10:38, Isaiah 33:24)

Jesus won't be a credible Messiah to them, if he did not had that gift to show them as a sign.

It seems you avoided answering my question, try again.

Guojing · 2025-07-01T03:08:07-0500

ARBITER01 said:
It seems you avoided answering my question, try again.

Jesus healed because healing is one of the signs to Israel that their Messiah has arrived (Matthew 8:17, Luke 7:19-22).

Whether it was easy for him to receive that gift, that is irrelevant, and even if it is not, your guess is as good as mine, since there is no scripture passage that answers that directly.

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