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The rise of Democratic Socialism

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Bernie Sanders, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortese once regarded as on the periphery, but their rise continues in NY.

Socialist Likely To Take Control Of Country’s Biggest City Thanks To Quirky Voting System, Poll Shows

Democratic New York Assemblyman Zohran Mamdani, a socialist, has the edge over former Democratic New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo in New York City’s Democratic mayoral primary due to the Big Apple’s atypical voting system, according to a poll released Monday.
In a piece published June 16, the New York Times editorial board blasted Mamdani, claiming that he “is a democratic socialist who too often ignores the unavoidable trade-offs of governance.” Meanwhile, the editorial board asserted that Cuomo “has the strongest policy record of the candidates,” adding that they think he has “won the most impressive collection of endorsements” in the New York City mayoral race. However, the board stopped short of giving any candidate its endorsement.


 

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Bernie Sanders, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortese once regarded as on the periphery, but their rise continues in NY.

Socialist Likely To Take Control Of Country’s Biggest City Thanks To Quirky Voting System, Poll Shows

Democratic New York Assemblyman Zohran Mamdani, a socialist, has the edge over former Democratic New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo in New York City’s Democratic mayoral primary due to the Big Apple’s atypical voting system, according to a poll released Monday.
In a piece published June 16, the New York Times editorial board blasted Mamdani, claiming that he “is a democratic socialist who too often ignores the unavoidable trade-offs of governance.” Meanwhile, the editorial board asserted that Cuomo “has the strongest policy record of the candidates,” adding that they think he has “won the most impressive collection of endorsements” in the New York City mayoral race. However, the board stopped short of giving any candidate its endorsement.
Here is a description. Please point out the dangers in this type of government.
Thanks!!


Democratic socialism is a political and economic philosophy that advocates for political democracy alongside a socially owned and democratically controlled economy. It distinguishes itself from authoritarian forms of socialism (like Marxism-Leninism) by its unwavering commitment to democratic processes and civil liberties.
Here are the main characteristics of democratic socialism:
* Commitment to Democracy: This is a fundamental characteristic. Democratic socialists believe in a multiparty political system, free and fair elections, freedom of speech, assembly, and other civil liberties. They seek to achieve their goals through peaceful, legal, and electoral means, rather than violent revolution.
* Social Ownership of the Means of Production (or Key Industries): While not necessarily advocating for complete state ownership of all businesses, democratic socialists typically support social or collective ownership/control of major industries, utilities, and essential services (like healthcare, education, and transportation). The aim is to ensure these resources benefit society as a whole, rather than private profit.
* Economic Democracy and Worker Self-Management: A strong emphasis is placed on democratizing the workplace and economy. This can involve worker co-operatives, employee representation on company boards, and greater democratic control over economic institutions. The idea is to empower workers and give them a voice in decisions that affect their livelihoods.
* Reduced Economic Inequality and Social Welfare: Democratic socialists aim to significantly reduce income and wealth disparities through progressive taxation, robust social safety nets, and comprehensive public services. They advocate for extensive publicly financed programs such as universal healthcare, affordable housing, free education, and strong social security.
* Regulation of the Economy: Even in sectors where private ownership might exist, democratic socialists advocate for strong government regulation to ensure fair labor practices, environmental protection, and consumer rights, and to prevent monopolies and excessive corporate power.
* Rejection of Authoritarianism: Democratic socialists explicitly reject the centralized, administrative-command economies and authoritarian governance seen in historical communist states. They prioritize individual liberty and democratic participation in all spheres of life.
* Focus on Social Justice and Equality: Beyond economic equality, democratic socialists are committed to fighting various forms of oppression, including those based on race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, and disability. They believe that a truly democratic and socialist society must address all systemic inequalities.
It's important to note that while some associate democratic socialism with the "Nordic model" (countries like Sweden and Denmark), these are often more accurately described as social democracies. Social democracies typically operate within a capitalist framework but with extensive welfare states and strong social protections. Democratic socialism, in its more traditional sense, generally seeks to replace capitalism with a socially owned economy, albeit through democratic means, though modern interpretations can vary in the degree to which they envision a fully non-capitalist system.
 
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People are just no longer scared of the S word. The right’s going to have to come up with a new boogeyman because fear of socialism isn’t cutting it anymore.
 
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Thanks, Maria.
I don't see any dangers at all.
Andrew Cuomo is likely to run as an independent with significant financial backing.
The DNC has sought to preserve the status quo and suppress new young voices, but in times like these that's exactly what we need. Our cities are under attack, invaded by armies sent by a president with authoritarian proclivities.
In 2017, that president limited many New Yorkers from being able to fully deduct their taxes from federal returns (SALT.) Having lived in NY and knowing what property and income taxes are, I was horrified by this act of injustice on my friends and relatives who still live there. New York City residents want fairness and Independence from the federal government, just like everyone else. I think that the strong voices for democracy and justice will be rising from the cities of America.
 
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Here is a description. Please point out the dangers in this type of government.
Thanks!!


Democratic socialism is a political and economic philosophy that advocates for political democracy alongside a socially owned and democratically controlled economy. It distinguishes itself from authoritarian forms of socialism (like Marxism-Leninism) by its unwavering commitment to democratic processes and civil liberties.
Here are the main characteristics of democratic socialism:
* Commitment to Democracy: This is a fundamental characteristic. Democratic socialists believe in a multiparty political system, free and fair elections, freedom of speech, assembly, and other civil liberties. They seek to achieve their goals through peaceful, legal, and electoral means, rather than violent revolution.
* Social Ownership of the Means of Production (or Key Industries): While not necessarily advocating for complete state ownership of all businesses, democratic socialists typically support social or collective ownership/control of major industries, utilities, and essential services (like healthcare, education, and transportation). The aim is to ensure these resources benefit society as a whole, rather than private profit.
* Economic Democracy and Worker Self-Management: A strong emphasis is placed on democratizing the workplace and economy. This can involve worker co-operatives, employee representation on company boards, and greater democratic control over economic institutions. The idea is to empower workers and give them a voice in decisions that affect their livelihoods.
* Reduced Economic Inequality and Social Welfare: Democratic socialists aim to significantly reduce income and wealth disparities through progressive taxation, robust social safety nets, and comprehensive public services. They advocate for extensive publicly financed programs such as universal healthcare, affordable housing, free education, and strong social security.
* Regulation of the Economy: Even in sectors where private ownership might exist, democratic socialists advocate for strong government regulation to ensure fair labor practices, environmental protection, and consumer rights, and to prevent monopolies and excessive corporate power.
* Rejection of Authoritarianism: Democratic socialists explicitly reject the centralized, administrative-command economies and authoritarian governance seen in historical communist states. They prioritize individual liberty and democratic participation in all spheres of life.
* Focus on Social Justice and Equality: Beyond economic equality, democratic socialists are committed to fighting various forms of oppression, including those based on race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, and disability. They believe that a truly democratic and socialist society must address all systemic inequalities.
It's important to note that while some associate democratic socialism with the "Nordic model" (countries like Sweden and Denmark), these are often more accurately described as social democracies. Social democracies typically operate within a capitalist framework but with extensive welfare states and strong social protections. Democratic socialism, in its more traditional sense, generally seeks to replace capitalism with a socially owned economy, albeit through democratic means, though modern interpretations can vary in the degree to which they envision a fully non-capitalist system.

I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican, but I see the danger in our politics. Whenever Republicans elect someone on the right, Democrats respond by electing someone on the left, and vice versa. This has led to a scarcity of moderates in both parties. Politicians on both sides refuse to compromise and often view the other side as enemies of America.

Mamdani's election victory is a response to President Trump's win. NYC residents, perceiving Trump as far-right, elected someone from the far-left.

America needs moderate politicians from both sides who will compromise, collaborate, and build consensus. Reactionary politicians are not needed.
 
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Thanks, Maria.
I don't see any dangers at all.
Andrew Cuomo is likely to run as an independent with significant financial backing.
The DNC has sought to preserve the status quo and suppress new young voices, but in times like these that's exactly what we need. Our cities are under attack, invaded by armies sent by a president with authoritarian proclivities.
In 2017, that president limited many New Yorkers from being able to fully deduct their taxes from federal returns (SALT.) Having lived in NY and knowing what property and income taxes are, I was horrified by this act of injustice on my friends and relatives who still live there. New York City residents want fairness and Independence from the federal government, just like everyone else. I think that the strong voices for democracy and justice will be rising from the cities of America.
Republicans express similar sentiments in their own terms, which contributed to the election of President Trump.
 
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Sadly, the Republican Party has driven 99 percent of its moderates out. In contrast the DNC is trying very hard to remain moderate. Isn't there a proverb that you have to fight fire with fire? Mondami, AOC, Sanders and others are America's firefighters.
 
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Here is a description. Please point out the dangers in this type of government.
Thanks!!


Democratic socialism is a political and economic philosophy that advocates for political democracy alongside a socially owned and democratically controlled economy. It distinguishes itself from authoritarian forms of socialism (like Marxism-Leninism) by its unwavering commitment to democratic processes and civil liberties.
Here are the main characteristics of democratic socialism:
* Commitment to Democracy: This is a fundamental characteristic. Democratic socialists believe in a multiparty political system, free and fair elections, freedom of speech, assembly, and other civil liberties. They seek to achieve their goals through peaceful, legal, and electoral means, rather than violent revolution.
* Social Ownership of the Means of Production (or Key Industries): While not necessarily advocating for complete state ownership of all businesses, democratic socialists typically support social or collective ownership/control of major industries, utilities, and essential services (like healthcare, education, and transportation). The aim is to ensure these resources benefit society as a whole, rather than private profit.
* Economic Democracy and Worker Self-Management: A strong emphasis is placed on democratizing the workplace and economy. This can involve worker co-operatives, employee representation on company boards, and greater democratic control over economic institutions. The idea is to empower workers and give them a voice in decisions that affect their livelihoods.
* Reduced Economic Inequality and Social Welfare: Democratic socialists aim to significantly reduce income and wealth disparities through progressive taxation, robust social safety nets, and comprehensive public services. They advocate for extensive publicly financed programs such as universal healthcare, affordable housing, free education, and strong social security.
* Regulation of the Economy: Even in sectors where private ownership might exist, democratic socialists advocate for strong government regulation to ensure fair labor practices, environmental protection, and consumer rights, and to prevent monopolies and excessive corporate power.
* Rejection of Authoritarianism: Democratic socialists explicitly reject the centralized, administrative-command economies and authoritarian governance seen in historical communist states. They prioritize individual liberty and democratic participation in all spheres of life.
* Focus on Social Justice and Equality: Beyond economic equality, democratic socialists are committed to fighting various forms of oppression, including those based on race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, and disability. They believe that a truly democratic and socialist society must address all systemic inequalities.
It's important to note that while some associate democratic socialism with the "Nordic model" (countries like Sweden and Denmark), these are often more accurately described as social democracies. Social democracies typically operate within a capitalist framework but with extensive welfare states and strong social protections. Democratic socialism, in its more traditional sense, generally seeks to replace capitalism with a socially owned economy, albeit through democratic means, though modern interpretations can vary in the degree to which they envision a fully non-capitalist system.
Did I mention danger? no I did not
People are just no longer scared of the S word. The right’s going to have to come up with a new boogeyman because fear of socialism isn’t cutting it anymore.
Did I say anyone was scared?
Sadly, the Republican Party has driven 99 percent of its moderates out.
Absolutely untrue - Republican base is growing - unlike the Democratic Party that is in total chaos
In contrast the DNC is trying very hard to remain moderate.
Because they aren't and never really have been - although there are a number of moderate still in the party - they are currently being threatened with being primaried
Isn't there a proverb that you have to fight fire with fire?
No
Mondami, AOC, Sanders and others are America's firefighters.
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and America's firefighter are standing with President Trump.
 
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I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican, but I see the danger in our politics. Whenever Republicans elect someone on the right, Democrats respond by electing someone on the left, and vice versa. This has led to a scarcity of moderates in both parties. Politicians on both sides refuse to compromise and often view the other side as enemies of America.

Mamdani's election victory is a response to President Trump's win. NYC residents, perceiving Trump as far-right, elected someone from the far-left.

America needs moderate politicians from both sides who will compromise, collaborate, and build consensus. Reactionary politicians are not needed.

Many pundits bemoan the lack of moderates candidates, but moderate politicians have usually been somewhat feckless and don't draw new people into the political process. Instead acting to preserve the status quo and merely seek to ease liberals or progressives with performative posturing without real substantial changes. Like George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, or Joe Biden, for instance.
 
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Did I mention danger? no I did not

Did I say anyone was scared?

Absolutely untrue - Republican base is growing - unlike the Democratic Party that is in total chaos

Because they aren't and never really have been - although there are a number of moderate still in the party - they are currently being threatened with being primaried

No

OIP.HnxrFFMlBdZ28103Ur40PQAAAA

and America's firefighter are standing with President Trump.
Thanks for your reply. I am just asking to point out the " dangers" in the description, if willing.
Thanks!
 
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People are just no longer scared of the S word. The right’s going to have to come up with a new boogeyman because fear of socialism isn’t cutting it anymore.
With this particular candidate they can hit the Muslim and immigrant buttons too.
 
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Sadly, the Republican Party has driven 99 percent of its moderates out. In contrast the DNC is trying very hard to remain moderate. Isn't there a proverb that you have to fight fire with fire? Mondami, AOC, Sanders and others are America's firefighters.
No, the only way the DSA can make this work is to break with the Democratic Party altogether. What you call "moderate" Democrats are Democrats who have been corrupted with neoliberalism just like the Republicans. They can never again be a credible labor party.
 
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Mamdani's election victory is a response to President Trump's win. NYC residents, perceiving Trump as far-right, elected someone from the far-left.
I don't think Mamdani's win had much to do with Trump. He (and more specifically, his policies as they've ramped up over the past several months) certainly played a role, but Mamdani won the primary due to a combination of running a tightly-focused campaign centered around issues that New Yorkers are concerned about in the moment (mainly affordability of food/housing) and Cuomo clumsily attacking him (i.e. the AI-enhanced beard photo) and putting a spotlight on him - his debate performance, in which he and Cuomo had several heated exchanges, gave him a huge bump. Just a few months ago in March and April, Cuomo was sitting on a comfortable 20-30 point polling advantage. By the election, that was down to single digits:

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He also had the advantage of not being Andrew Cuomo, who would be the oldest NYC mayor ever if elected, on top of his deep establishment ties and prior history of sexual harassment allegations (over which, in part, he resigned the governorship) a few years ago. Cuomo was basically running on endorsements and name recognition - he was always going to suffer as soon as the other candidates had a real opportunity to remind voters of his history, and Mamdani just did the best job of it.
 
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Sadly, the Republican Party has driven 99 percent of its moderates out. In contrast the DNC is trying very hard to remain moderate. Isn't there a proverb that you have to fight fire with fire? Mondami, AOC, Sanders and others are America's firefighters.

Republicans say the same thing. Republicans say that Democrats have pushed out moderates from the Republican side.

"Fire with Fre" and "Time like this" are phrases humans have used for 5000 years to justify their wrongdoings. There is no justification for electing a politician solely based on their ability to "stand up to Trump" or "stand up to crazy liberals such as Maxine Waters".

I will give you one example of “fight fire with Fire” Senators Sanders. Consider the example of Senator Sanders' stance on immigration. Like you, I am concerned about President Trump's immigration policy. However, if it weren't for Senator Sanders' opposition to President W. Bush's comprehensive immigration reform, 7-8 million undocumented immigrants could have become U.S. citizens today instead of living in fear of deportation. Senator Sanders' desire for a "perfect bill" led to the failure of the comprehensive immigration bill in 2007.

We do not need to "fight fire with fire" or rely on "times like these." What we require are individuals who can make concessions, reach out to the other side, and find common ground.
 

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Many pundits bemoan the lack of moderates candidates, but moderate politicians have usually been somewhat feckless and don't draw new people into the political process. Instead acting to preserve the status quo and merely seek to ease liberals or progressives with performative posturing without real substantial changes. Like George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, or Joe Biden, for instance.

There is indeed a substantive change with moderate approaches and concessions. However, one common criticism of democracy today is that it can be a slow process. Modern voters often desire a system that delivers results as quickly as a fast-food restaurant, expecting immediate satisfaction. This impatience may explain why figures such as President Trump or Congresswoman AOC appeal to many; they promise rapid and decisive action.
 
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We do not need to "fight fire with fire" or rely on "times like these." What we require are individuals who can make concessions, reach out to the other side, and find common ground.
In an ideal world, absolutely. The problem, though, is that if one group is willing to compromise, the other group can make the choice to take advantage of that rather than meeting in the middle. We saw this from 2010-2016 during Obama's presidency, where Democrats frequently tried to reach across the aisle and made concessions to the Republican delegation, only to have the Republicans refuse to cooperate unless they got everything they wanted - or just out of spite (see McConnell's declaration that his entire goal was to make Obama a one-term president). Democrats took cues from those experiences, and have been adopting similar stances more and more often over the past decade.

Frankly, I don't see a clear path back to that same spirit of cooperation and bipartisanship that used to exist - at least not without some sort of massive unifying crisis (I was kind of hoping that might be a positive outcome from COVID, but nooo) or a complete and total reset of our entire political system. As long as our political leadership is more focused on "winning" than governing the country, nothing will change - indeed, it will only get worse.
 
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There is indeed a substantive change with moderate approaches and concessions. However, one common criticism of democracy today is that it can be a slow process. Modern voters often desire a system that delivers results as quickly as a fast-food restaurant, expecting immediate satisfaction. This impatience may explain why figures such as President Trump or Congresswoman AOC appeal to many; they promise rapid and decisive action.

Republicans say the same thing. Republicans say that Democrats have pushed out moderates from the Republican side.

"Fire with Fre" and "Time like this" are phrases humans have used for 5000 years to justify their wrongdoings. There is no justification for electing a politician solely based on their ability to "stand up to Trump" or "stand up to crazy liberals such as Maxine Waters".

I will give you one example of “fight fire with Fire” Senators Sanders. Consider the example of Senator Sanders' stance on immigration. Like you, I am concerned about President Trump's immigration policy. However, if it weren't for Senator Sanders' opposition to President W. Bush's comprehensive immigration reform, 7-8 million undocumented immigrants could have become U.S. citizens today instead of living in fear of deportation. Senator Sanders' desire for a "perfect bill" led to the failure of the comprehensive immigration bill in 2007.

We do not need to "fight fire with fire" or rely on "times like these." What we require are individuals who can make concessions, reach out to the other side, and find common ground.
Progressives all over the country who have run for office have been thwarted by the DNC bankrolling more milquetoast candidates in primaries.
And that's not working.
I believe Mondami won because LA was invaded by our own American soldiers, sent in a search and deport mission by a president who defied the Constitution.
Because New Yorkers and others in blue states are denied legal tax deductions since 2017 (SALT.)
Cities are under attack by the current administration, sometimes even unable to get needed disaster relief after forest fires and disasters.
And why? Because they are progressive.
If uninvited armies invaded your town, you might feel the same.
And they see the razzle-dazzle dearth.
To their shock, they have seen razzle-dazzle lure voters, even without an iota a substance. And they imagine how much good some Razzle Dazzle candidates who brought honesty and sound ideas to the plate might be able to do.
 
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People are just no longer scared of the S word. The right’s going to have to come up with a new boogeyman because fear of socialism isn’t cutting it anymore.
Socialism is just one of several anathemas.
 
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