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New--SDA General Conference Statement on EGW writings

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You have no scripture that says the millennium is on earth, just your word- nothing you posted says that. There will be no more Mediator in the millennium because everyone will have already made their decision Revelation 22:11 so your timeline is off on the scripture you posted.

When Jesus comes the saints will meet Him in the clouds 1 Thessalonians 4:17. His feet don’t touch the ground and the saints will go where He has prepared a place for them. John 14:2-6

Second you make the claim that EWG got a prophecy wrong about the millennium that hasn’t even happened yet, so your whole accusation is again based on a false premise of a prediction that was wrong, when its future and has not happened.
Here is a link to a view that is similar to mine. But you probally won't read it. since you never do.
 
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When Jesus comes the saints will meet Him in the clouds 1 Thessalonians 4:17. His feet don’t touch the ground and the saints will go where He has prepared a place for them. John 14:2-6
yes that is the Advent/Rapture. The part where we go up while the earth is punished. The part where we go to the marriage supper of the Lamb, while the tribulation is going on. Then we come back down and rule on the earth for 1000 years. that fixes the time line.

What you might not be aware of is there are 2 events that are confused as the 2nd coming.
1. We go up -To the marriage supper of the Lamb in Heaven,. sometime called the Advent or Rapture. This was new in the 1800's and the Adventist adopted it. hence the name Adventist.
2. We come down. To the 1000 years on the earth - 2nd coming.

if you believe we go up and up there for a while, then come down. you believe in this veiw and so do I.
What is at issue is what do we do up there and how long we stay up there, what goes on down here and what do we do when we come back down. that is where we diagree. not the sequence of the events.

The view of the soul has an effect on this as you noted. if you don't believe in the soul then what is Christ bring with him, How did they get there. if you do believe in the soul then it is not a problem, since eternal life is given upon accepting Christ and the soul can exist out side the body if you accept Jesus. He is bringing the soul back to rejoin it to the body.
Second you make the claim that EWG got a prophecy wrong about the millennium that hasn’t even happened yet, so your whole accusation is again based on a false premise of a prediction that was wrong, when its future and has not happened.
NO, your premise is that EGW is correct and that the SDA church is correct. clarify which prediction is wrong. the 1000 years on earth. or something else.
 
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Wrong again Sabbath Blessing, All scriptures say the 1000 years is on the earth. you just don't see it because you are being blinded by EGW.
It is REV 19
Rejoicing in Heaven

1After this I heard a sound like the roar of a great multitude in heaven, shouting:

“Hallelujah!a

Salvation and glory and power belong to our God!

2For His judgments are true and just.

He has judged the great prostitute

who corrupted the earth with her immorality.

He has avenged the blood of His servants

that was poured out by her hand.”

3And a second time they called out:

“Hallelujah!

Her smoke rises forever and ever.”

4And the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God who sits on the throne, saying:

“Amen, Hallelujah!”

5Then a voice came from the throne, saying:

“Praise our God,

all you who serve Him,

and those who fear Him,

small and great alike!”

The Marriage of the Lamb

6And I heard a sound like the roar of a great multitude, like the rushing of many waters, and like a mighty rumbling of thunder, crying out:

“Hallelujah!

For the Lord our Godb the Almighty reigns.

7Let us rejoice and be glad

and give Him the glory.

For the marriage of the Lamb has come,

and His bride has made herself ready.

8She was given clothing of fine linen,

bright and pure.”

For the fine linen she wears is the righteous acts of the saints.

9Then the angel told me to write, “Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me, “These are the true words of God.”

10So I fell at his feet to worship him. But he told me, “Do not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who rely on the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

The Rider on the White Horse

11Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war. 12He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood,c and His name is The Word of God.

14The armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and pure, follow Him on white horses. 15And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter.d He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16And He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh:



KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
Defeat of the Beast and False Prophet

17Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out in a loud voice to all the birds flying overhead, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18so that you may eat the flesh of kings and commanders and mighty men, of horses and riders, of everyone slave and free, small and great.”

19Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies assembled to wage war against the One seated on the horse, and against His army. 20But the beast was captured along with the false prophet, who on its behalf had performed signs deceiving those who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. Both the beast and the false prophet were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21And the rest were killed with the sword that proceeded from the mouth of the One seated on the horse.

And all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.
All the bold black are thing that happen at the return of the Lord All are on the EARTH. Now look at Chapter 20

Satan Bound

1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key to the Abyss, holding in his hand a great chain. 2He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3And he threw him into the Abyss, shut it, and sealed it over him, so that he could not deceive the nations until the thousand years were complete. After that, he must be released for a brief period of time.
Notice: 1. angle comes from heaven
2. has keys to the Abyss & and Great Chain
3. seizes the dragon
4. throws him into the Abyss, shuts it and seals it over him
5. Cannot decieve the Nations, until the 1000 years are complete Why dose it matter if you are in heaven? Nations are on Earth.
6.


4Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

5The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
1. 1000 years the saints rule and reign. if this is in heaven Who do they rule and what are they ruling about?
2. the saint whose head was cut off , saints that did not worship beast (on the earth)come back to life.
Satan Cast into the Lake of Fire


7When the thousand years are complete, Satan will be released from his prison, 8and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to assemble them for battle. Their number is like the sand of the seashore.
a. After 1000 years Satan Released from prison. Notice it does not say from Earth. He is on the earth AFTER he is released.
b. decieves Nations in 4 corners of earth


9And they marched across the broad expanse of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. But fire came down from heavena and consumed them. 10And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, into which the beast and the false prophet had already been thrown. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

a. Satan marches ACROSS the EARTH
b. Satan SURROUNDS the camp of the Saints
c. Fire come from HEAVEN and consumes them.
What is your response to the Sabbath Blessing
 
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SabbathBlessings said:

You have no scripture that says the millennium is on earth, just your word- nothing you posted says that.
Wrong again Sabbath Blessing, All scriptures say the 1000 years is on the earth.

1. no scripture says the saints spend 1000 years on Earth at the coming of Christ in Rev 19.
2. scriptures do tell us that all saints are raptured to heaven at Christ's coming 1 Thess 4:13-18, John 14:1-3, Matt 24:29-31
3. scriptures tell us all the lost are slain at Christ's coming - 2 Thess 1:5-8, Rev 19
4. scriptures tell us that this results in a "desolate earth" with "no humans" Jer 4:23-26

23 I looked at the earth, and behold, it was a formless and desolate emptiness;​
And to the heavens, and they had no light.​
24 I looked on the mountains, and behold, they were quaking,​
And all the hills jolted back and forth.​
25 I looked, and behold, there was no human,​
And all the birds of the sky had fled.​
26 I looked, and behold, the fruitful land was a wilderness,​
And all its cities were pulled down
Before the Lord, before His fierce anger

Do you find some part of those scriptures - confusing?.
you just don't see it because you are being blinded by EGW.
It is REV 19
Rejoicing in Heaven
Saints are in heaven during the 1000 years -- raptured to heaven at Christ's coming in Rev 19 and 1Thess 4:13-18
1After this I heard a sound like the roar of a great multitude in heaven, shouting:

“Hallelujah!a

Salvation and glory and power belong to our God!
Amen.

But that does not say the saints spend the 1000 years on Earth instead of being raptured to heaven.
2For His judgments are true and just.

He has judged the great prostitute

who corrupted the earth with her immorality.

He has avenged the blood of His servants

that was poured out by her hand.”
Amen.

But that does not say the saints spend the 1000 years on Earth instead of being raptured to heaven.
6And I heard a sound like the roar of a great multitude, like the rushing of many waters, and like a mighty rumbling of thunder, crying out:

“Hallelujah!

For the Lord our Godb the Almighty reigns.
Amen.

But that does not say the saints spend the 1000 years on Earth instead of being raptured to heaven.

God's throne is in heaven.
SabbathBlessings said:

When Jesus comes the saints will meet Him in the clouds 1 Thessalonians 4:17. His feet don’t touch the ground and the saints will go where He has prepared a place for them. John 14:2-6

yes that is the Advent/Rapture. The part where we go up while the earth is punished.
yep. At Christ's Rev 19 coming - the saints are raptured, and as 2 Thess 1:5-8 says all the lost are slain. So also does Rev 19 point that out in the case of the lost. Saints taken to heaven "to My father's house" as Jesus said of "our Father in Heaven" and the saints.
 
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1. We go up -To the marriage supper of the Lamb in Heaven,. sometime called the Advent or Rapture. This was new in the 1800's and the Adventist adopted it. hence the name Adventist.
If you can show that Millerites all thought that the saints would be taken up to heaven in 1844 -- please let me know.

I have only seen their claims that Christ would come to Earth and setup his kingdom here.
 
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So in short she only points everyone back to the pure Word of God we have all departed from
In short and over a long time (close to a century now?); I think I have seen that she testified of Jesus and the Creator's Purpose for her and for her testimony was to shine His Light (Jesus!) in this very very very dangerous dark world we all were born into (with little hope). In Truth, few are chosen. There are many deceiving tachers and groups and many false teachings everywhere, way way more than true teachings or true teachers.
 
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So you would not correct your view of a Scripture passage if it was different than the inspired guide to Bible passages that corrects inaccurate interpretations?
That is to say man or in this case "a" woman is infallible.
 
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As posted earlier I am not interested in talking EGW unsupported by the scritures. I am only correcting misinformation. We should only point others to Gods' Word. You want to talk EGW I want to talk scripture. Your thread is about EGW being inspired, you were provided scripture from *Romans 12:6, 1 Corinthians 12:28, 29; 13:1-3, 8; 14:6, and in Ephesians 4:11 and Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12 compare Revelation 19:10. showing that Gods' Church prior to the second coming has prophets inspired by God's Word pointing only to God's Word. So what is your problem?
Not has, are.
 
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