The relationship between the Ten Commandments, the Sabbath, and the New Covenant

Leaf473 said:

Is Leviticus 23:3 an example or a commandment?


Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy assembly

What does your Bible say there, Studyman?

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You are right about my post, I should have worded it differently. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. It should have read, "there is no Commandment from God to partake of large gatherings in the man-make synagogues and shrines of worship on God's Holy Sabbaths.

Here is what my Bible says.

Ex. 20: 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Lev. 23: 1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the "feasts of the LORD", (Christ) which ye "shall proclaim" to be holy convocations, even these are "my" (Christ's) feasts. 3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

The Feasts of the Christ are days of remembrance pertaining to events that have yet to be fulfilled, (Shadows of things yet to come) a day of reading, rehearsal, . A special "Called out" day. A Fast from the rigors of this world. (Is. 58)

Strong's "Miqra", Convocation, assembly, reading

From qara'; something called out, i.e. A public meeting (the act, the persons, or the place); also a rehearsal -- assembly, calling, convocation, reading.

Luke 22: 19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

There is no commandment for a man to seek out a man-made shrine of worship, created by religious men who Call Jesus Lord, Lord, but are not "Doers" of His Sayings, on man-made sabbaths or high days. The Jesus "of the bible" warns about the tradition of gathering together in these popular man-made shrines of worship.

Matt. 6: 1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. 2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: 4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly. 5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

This Jesus told me "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.".

This would be a Holy Convocation, resting on the Feasts of the Christ according to HIS Sayings, hearing Moses, as Jesus instructs, to keep us in remembrance of events that are yet to come, that HIS Feasts foreshadow. It might be me, my wife and kids, and Jesus and Moses. Or several folks who "Press towards the prize of the high calling of God, which was in Christ Jesus.

Isaiah 1 speaks to this world's religious tradition of living in rebellion and rejection of His Judgments, Statutes, and Commandments, but showing up every week to offer the blood of an innocent being to justify their sins.

That isn't why God created His Sabbaths, is my point.

Studyman said:

You are right about my post, I should have worded it differently. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. It should have read, "there is no Commandment from God to partake of large gatherings in the man-make synagogues and shrines of worship on God's Holy Sabbaths.

Here is what my Bible says.

Ex. 20: 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Lev. 23: 1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the "feasts of the LORD", (Christ) which ye "shall proclaim" to be holy convocations, even these are "my" (Christ's) feasts. 3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

The Feasts of the Christ are days of remembrance pertaining to events that have yet to be fulfilled, (Shadows of things yet to come) a day of reading, rehearsal, . A special "Called out" day. A Fast from the rigors of this world. (Is. 58)

Strong's "Miqra", Convocation, assembly, reading

From qara'; something called out, i.e. A public meeting (the act, the persons, or the place); also a rehearsal -- assembly, calling, convocation, reading.

Luke 22: 19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

There is no commandment for a man to seek out a man-made shrine of worship, created by religious men who Call Jesus Lord, Lord, but are not "Doers" of His Sayings, on man-made sabbaths or high days. The Jesus "of the bible" warns about the tradition of gathering together in these popular man-made shrines of worship.

Matt. 6: 1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. 2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: 4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly. 5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

This Jesus told me "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.".

This would be a Holy Convocation, resting on the Feasts of the Christ according to HIS Sayings, hearing Moses, as Jesus instructs, to keep us in remembrance of events that are yet to come, that HIS Feasts foreshadow. It might be me, my wife and kids, and Jesus and Moses. Or several folks who "Press towards the prize of the high calling of God, which was in Christ Jesus.

Isaiah 1 speaks to this world's religious tradition of living in rebellion and rejection of His Judgments, Statutes, and Commandments, but showing up every week to offer the blood of an innocent being to justify their sins.

That isn't why God created His Sabbaths, is my point.

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Is Leviticus 23:3 a commandment?

The precepts of the Lord are right, bringing joy to the heart; the commandments of the Lord are radiant, giving light to the eyes Psalm 19

Commandments vs the ‘law”

SabbathBlessings said:

Who ever claimed this.

Why are you isolating the Sabbath commandment. Its in the same unit as only worship God. Exo 20:3 Exo 20:1-17

Do you think only worship God is no longer a requirement for those with faith that are grafted into God's covenant promise?

The Sabbath started at Creation, thus saith the Lord, it is His written and spoken Testimony Exo 31:18 Exo 20:11 and it is the Holy Day of the Lord, thus saith the Lord Isa 58:13 meaning there is no other. It was kept by Jesus who is God that became flesh Luke 4:16 John 15:10 if we abide in Him, we will also follow in His footsteps 1 John 2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22 Heb 4:15. Keeping the 4th commandment has nothing to do with 2000 years after Christ, other than a reminder of what God said. God's faithful keep God's commandments Rev 14:12, His version, because He is God and there is no one above Him and we are told whoever we obey is who we serve Rom 6:16 I want to serve God, so that's who my faith is in, every word that proceeds from the mouth of God as Jesus told us, quoting OT Mat 4:4

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I'm not "isolating" the Sabbath command. You're isolating the Sabbath command and discarding the whole law, which is the law of Moses. The Sabbath command is part of the law of Moses and the decree states that the apostles gave no such commandment for Gentiles to get circumcised and keep the law; the Sabbath is not isolated from that law it's included in that law and that law, which includes the Sabbath, is not required for Gentiles to keep.

Jesus kept the whole law of Moses, not just the 10 commandments, and He instructed the Jewish multitudes to keep the whole law of Moses as well. If you want to do what Jesus did then you should observe the whole law, not a version for Gentiles that was invented by an American woman almost 2,000 years later.

Studyman said:

It's important to understand that there are folks, like myself and Daq and others, who study what the actual Scriptures say, often times comparing translations and doing word studies in search for God's Truth. Study that faithful men are instructed to engage in, "to show ourselves approved unto God". A man who engages in this study of the Holy Scriptures will find that from the very beginning it is the tradition of men to reject God's Instructions, Commandments and Judgments, and go about establishing their own. It was the same for the mainstream religions of the world God placed Paul in. (Rom. 10)

Throughout the Bible we are given examples of men, for our own admonition, who listened and obeyed God's instruction, like Abel, Caleb, David, Shadrach, Stephen, Peter etc., and these men were always ridiculed, persecuted, demeaned, belittled and so forth by the mainstream religions of their time. "Many" of these "mainstream religions of this world, "Profess to know God", but are disobedient to Him. They call Jesus Lord, Lord, but refuse to submit themselves as "Doers" of His Sayings, being hearers only. In the world God placed you and I in, the mainstream religion of this world that "Comes in Christ's Name" is the Catholic religion and her many Protestant daughters. Like the mainstream religions of Paul's time, they also rejected God's instructions, Commandments and Judgments, and have gone about establishing their own righteousness. They reject God's Holy Sabbath, and HIS definition of Holy, Clean and righteousness, and have created their own. Like Paul, you and I were also taught by these religions to reject God's Commandments and live by popular religious traditions instead. This has been the same from the very beginning, as Jeremiah even warns. (Jer. 10:2-4)

In our discussion you have defended and promoted popular religious tradition that you were taught by this world's religions, the same as the promoters of the mainstream religions of Paul's time in Acts. 15. You have been taught, just like I have, that God's Laws are the Yoke of Bondage placed on the necks of the Apostles and their faithers that they couldn't bear. You have been taught that the Commandments contained in ordinances that created a wall of separation between Jews and Gentiles that relegated faithful Gentiles as "without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world" were commandments created by God and given to Moses.

No doubt we have been taught, just like Paul and Stephen was, from our youth, that God's Laws are "Beggarly Elements, "Rudiments of this world, "Traditions of men" and led the Jews astray.

But when a person reads what is actually written, not just a verse here or there, but all that is written, these popular religious philosophies are exposed as insidious lies taught by the "other voice" in the garden, the father of lies.

You are right when you said God didn't create a separate Law for Jews, and another separate Law for Gentiles. I know this because God's Servant, that God chose, told me so in the Words that the Jesus "of the Bible" instructed for men to Live By.

Ex. 12: 49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.



Your adopted religion may have taught you this. And I tried to get you to consider what is actually written, because if you did, you would know that the Pharisees Law they called "the law of Moses", and the actual "Law of Moses" were two different things. This is why Jesus said to "Do" what Moses instructed, as God sent Him to give men God's Judgments, Statutes and Commandments. But don't follow the religious philosophies of the mainstream preachers of that time who had exclusive possession of the Bible, because they "Profess to know God" but they are disobedient to Him and were teaching for doctrines the Commandments of Men. At least this is what the Jesus "of the Bible" teaches.

Today we both have the Oracles of God in our own home. "You" sit in Moses Seat. "You" can hear God's Words that HE spoke to Moses and the Prophets. And if you Loved the Jesus "of the Bible" then when you hear His Voice, "It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." You will not harden your heart, as the examples of rebellious men did in the mainstream religions of Paul's Time.




This is simply not true if what is written in Scriptures are trustworthy "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works".

Of course if the Word of God is not trustworthy "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness", as the serpent convinced Eve, then my Faith is in vain.



Jesus and the Apostles and Gentiles were walking in God's Sabbaths long before Miller or White or Wesley or Arminius or Augustine came along.

Is. 56: 6 Also the sons of the stranger, (Gentile) that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; 7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

If Paul were here today, instead of telling you to "abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.", which is not a common practice of the inhabitants of the world God placed us in, he would teach us to abstain from promoting images of God in the likeness of men, and from adulterous behavior, and from swine's flesh, and from man made high days and Sabbaths.

He would instruct men to become "Doers" of the Christ "of the bible's" Sayings, and "Live By" Every Word of God, not the religious philosophies of Wesley, Calvin, the Pope or a woman named White.

But Jesus said "many" who call Him Lord, Lord, will not be persuaded to to turn away from the "course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience". And HE tells us why.

Luke 16: 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Clearly this Jesus knew what HE was talking about.

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Listen... have some respect for people's time and stop plastering voluminous amounts of texts and scriptures knowing that it would take hours to read and reply to each point. If you can't get your truth across in a couple of paragraphs it's because you don't have any. All I need is a few words and one scripture along with my previous posts:

"some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment.

That's solid scripture evidence showing that there was no such commandment for Gentiles to get circumcised and keep the law (the law of Moses) which includes the Sabbath.

Canuckster said:

Listen... have some respect for people's time and stop plastering voluminous amounts of texts and scriptures knowing that it would take hours to read and reply to each point.

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Yes, the Bible is a big book. Hard to define it in one or two sentences, though many try to do just that.

Canuckster said:

If you can't get your truth across in a couple of paragraphs it's because you don't have any. All I need is a few words and one scripture along with my previous posts:

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Clearly the Scriptures don't hold much influence with "many", who call Jesus Lord, Lord. The Christ "of the Bible" speaks to this in the Law and Prophets, as well as the Testimony.

Canuckster said:

"some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment.

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Where is it spoken by the God of the Holy Scriptures, that a man must first be circumcised, then hear God's Laws?

Canuckster said:

That's solid scripture evidence showing that there was no such commandment for Gentiles to get circumcised and keep the law (the law of Moses) which includes the Sabbath.

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For those who adopt this world's religious system that rejects much of God's Judgments, Commandments and statutes, a verse here and there, separated from the rest of the Bible, is enough to justify them. But as anyone who believes in the Jesus "of the bible" can see, when a person considers all that is written, and spoken by the Jesus of the Bible, and the Apostles God gave to HIM, it is clear that the Apostles were not protecting the Gentiles from God or God's Word, as you would have others believe, rather, they were protecting the Gentiles Converts who had "Turned to God", from the philosophies, and commandments of men the mainstream preachers of their time taught for doctrines. The Apostles are still protecting Faithful men from the philosophies, and traditions and judgments of men this world's mainstream religions teach for doctrine, through these same Scriptures. But many, who profess to know God, as prophesied, really don't believe them.

You are free to preach to others that Paul and the Apostles were trying to turn Gentile Converts away from God and HIS Instruction in Righteousness. But when a man considers what Jesus and Paul actually teaches, this is proven to be an insidious falsehood. Jesus specifically warned about these men "who come in Christ's Name" but don't really believe His Words. The Prophets says they "teach a vision of their own heart", not from the mouth of God.

I am simply advocating that a man trust all the Scriptures, "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works".

Canuckster said:

I'm not "isolating" the Sabbath command. You're isolating the Sabbath command and discarding the whole law, which is the law of Moses.

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I think there is some misunderstandings of the different laws. I am going to let the Testimony God address this and if we can't believe His Words, mine certainly won't matter.

The Ten Commandments is a separate unit according to God. God only numbered one set of laws in all of Scripture and that is the Ten Commandments. This in it of itself is proof this is a stand alone unit.

Deu 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

The "He" here is God and God claimed them as His covenant, that He wrote and called them My "God" commandments Exo 20:6 as the Ten Commandments. He said there was no more added to this standalone unit

Deu 5:22 "These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

This is the personal Testimony of God, not Moses Exo 31:18

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

I know of no one greater than He, so my faith is in His Word and going away from it, we are warned Isa 8:20

The law of Moses of course includes the Ten Commandments because of all God's people keep God's commandments Rev 14:12- His version, not what man edited thinking they know better than He that they could edit God's own Testimony, that He personally wrote and He personally spoke.

The law of Moses which were things like circumcisions, animal sacrifices, feast days, some were also called sabbath(s) not to be confused with the weekly Sabbath commandment and all other laws, statues, ordinances commandments and everything except the Ten Commandments was placed outside the ark of the covenant handwritten by Moses in a book.

Deu 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished,
Deu 31:25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying:
Deu 31:26 "Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;

Different laws that serve different purposes- the Bible tells these differences, but most who refuse to give God credit for the Ten Commandments even when Moses didn't take credit for them Exo 32:16 will usually have a hard time understanding the different laws in Scriptures and will sadly lead to forgetting some laws God asked us to Remember

Canuckster said:

The Sabbath command is part of the law of Moses and the decree states that the apostles gave no such commandment for Gentiles to get circumcised and keep the law; the Sabbath is not isolated from that law it's included in that law and that law, which includes the Sabbath, is not required for Gentiles to keep.

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Can you please post where it says the Sabbath commandment in regards to the law of circumcision that the Gentiles did not need to keep . I see your words here, but I do not take our words, opinions, while important to us, as equal to the Word of God.

Acts 15 is about circumcision and the Jews were trying to force Gentile converts to get circumcised in order to hear the gospel Gal 2:3 and to be saved Acts 15:1. The Jews were teaching they could save themselves apart from Christ and wanting to teach this to the Gentiles. This is what Paul was correctly.

They were already keeping every Sabbath Acts 15:21 both Jews and Gentiles because Christ Himself said the Sabbath is made for man Mark 2:27 and for everyone Isa 56:6 Christ wants everyone to receive His blessing Isa 56:2 and sanctification Eze 20:12 because no man can sanctify themselves, we all need God Isa 66:17

Why we see both Jews and Gentiles keeping every Sabbath Acts 13:42, 44 Acts 18:4 decades after the Cross, not to be saved, but because those who have faith in Jesus trust His Words and follow His teachings.

Canuckster said:

Jesus kept the whole law of Moses, not just the 10 commandments, and He instructed the Jewish multitudes to keep the whole law of Moses as well.

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Where did Jesus tell anyone to sacrifice an animal for sins in the NT. Just provide one quote.

Canuckster said:

If you want to do what Jesus did then you should observe the whole law, not a version for Gentiles that was invented by an American woman almost 2,000 years later.

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Why would anyone sacrifice an animal when Jesus became our Sacrifice Lamb for sins. This in essence is saying the blood of Jesus is not good enough. Sin is still the same in the OC as it is in the NC- the transgression of God's law. The difference is how we go about seeking forgiveness of our sins in the NC.

1Jn 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
Breaking one we break them all Jas 2:11 For He who said, "DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," also said, "DO NOT MURDER." Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
And what we will be Judged by regardless if we accept this or not
Jas 2:12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

Why the Ten Commandments, the Testimony of God is in the Most Holy of His Temple under His mercy seat revealed in heaven Heb 8:1-5 Rev 11:19. I personally would not want to remove anything Christ covers by His mercy which He wrote right in the Ten Commandments

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Why we see the ark of the covenant in heaven at the last trumpet before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ

Rev 11:18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth."
Rev 11:19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

One of the last verses before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and what we want to hear instead of the next verse v15 and Mat 7:23

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Studyman said:

Yes, the Bible is a big book. Hard to define it in one or two sentences, though many try to do just that.


Clearly the Scriptures don't hold much influence with "many", who call Jesus Lord, Lord. The Christ "of the Bible" speaks to this in the Law and Prophets, as well as the Testimony.




Where is it spoken by the God of the Holy Scriptures, that a man must first be circumcised, then hear God's Laws?




For those who adopt this world's religious system that rejects much of God's Judgments, Commandments and statutes, a verse here and there, separated from the rest of the Bible, is enough to justify them. But as anyone who believes in the Jesus "of the bible" can see, when a person considers all that is written, and spoken by the Jesus of the Bible, and the Apostles God gave to HIM, it is clear that the Apostles were not protecting the Gentiles from God or God's Word, as you would have others believe, rather, they were protecting the Gentiles Converts who had "Turned to God", from the philosophies, and commandments of men the mainstream preachers of their time taught for doctrines. The Apostles are still protecting Faithful men from the philosophies, and traditions and judgments of men this world's mainstream religions teach for doctrine, through these same Scriptures. But many, who profess to know God, as prophesied, really don't believe them.

You are free to preach to others that Paul and the Apostles were trying to turn Gentile Converts away from God and HIS Instruction in Righteousness. But when a man considers what Jesus and Paul actually teaches, this is proven to be an insidious falsehood. Jesus specifically warned about these men "who come in Christ's Name" but don't really believe His Words. The Prophets says they "teach a vision of their own heart", not from the mouth of God.

I am simply advocating that a man trust all the Scriptures, "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works".

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You don't need to quote the whole bible to make a point. You're all over the place.... many times off subject because you have no argument. Watch how I keep on subject: Gentiles were never commanded by the apostles to keep the law (the law of Moses). A Pharisee sect went over the heads of the apostles and tried to get Gentile believers to keep the law of Moses but they failed. And to say that Paul instructed Gentiles to keep some altered form of the law of Moses that didn't include circumcision is absurd. This is what happens to people's reasoning when they follow a dead American woman instead of the living Christ.

SabbathBlessings said:

I think there is some misunderstandings of the different laws. I am going to let the Testimony God address this and if we can't believe His Words, mine certainly won't matter.

The Ten Commandments is a separate unit according to God. God only numbered one set of laws in all of Scripture and that is the Ten Commandments. This in it of itself is proof this is a stand alone unit.

Deu 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

The "He" here is God and God claimed them as His covenant, that He wrote and called them My "God" commandments Exo 20:6 as the Ten Commandments. He said there was no more added to this standalone unit

Deu 5:22 "These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

This is the personal Testimony of God, not Moses Exo 31:18

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

I know of no one greater than He, so my faith is in His Word and going away from it, we are warned Isa 8:20

The law of Moses of course includes the Ten Commandments because of all God's people keep God's commandments Rev 14:12- His version, not what man edited thinking they know better than He that they could edit God's own Testimony, that He personally wrote and He personally spoke.

The law of Moses which were things like circumcisions, animal sacrifices, feast days, some were also called sabbath(s) not to be confused with the weekly Sabbath commandment and all other laws, statues, ordinances commandments and everything except the Ten Commandments was placed outside the ark of the covenant handwritten by Moses in a book.

Deu 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished,
Deu 31:25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying:
Deu 31:26 "Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;

Different laws that serve different purposes- the Bible tells these differences, but most who refuse to give God credit for the Ten Commandments even when Moses didn't take credit for them Exo 32:16 will usually have a hard time understanding the different laws in Scriptures and will sadly lead to forgetting some laws God asked us to Remember

Can you please post where it says the Sabbath commandment in regards to the law of circumcision that the Gentiles did not need to keep . I see your words here, but I do not take our words, opinions, while important to us, as equal to the Word of God.

Acts 15 is about circumcision and the Jews were trying to force Gentile converts to get circumcised in order to hear the gospel Gal 2:3 and to be saved Acts 15:1. The Jews were teaching they could save themselves apart from Christ and wanting to teach this to the Gentiles. This is what Paul was correctly.

They were already keeping every Sabbath Acts 15:21 both Jews and Gentiles because Christ Himself said the Sabbath is made for man Mark 2:27 and for everyone Isa 56:2, Christ wants everyone to receive His blessing Isa 56:2 and sanctification Eze 20:12 because no man can sanctify themselves, we all need God Isa 66:17

Why we see both Jews and Gentiles keeping every Sabbath Acts 13:42, 44 Acts 18:4 decades after the Cross, not to be saved, but because those who have faith in Jesus trust His Words and follow His teachings.



Where did Jesus tell anyone to sacrifice an animal for sins in the NT. Just provide one quote.

Why would anyone sacrifice an animal when Jesus became our Sacrifice Lamb for sins. This in essence is saying the blood of Jesus is not good enough. Sin is still the same in the OC as it is in the NC- the transgression of God's law. The difference is how we go about seeking forgiveness of our sins in the NC.

1Jn 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
Breaking one we break them all Jas 2:11 For He who said, "DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," also said, "DO NOT MURDER." Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
And what we will be Judged by regardless if we accept this or not
Jas 2:12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

Why the Ten Commandments, the Testimony of God is in the Most Holy of His Temple under His mercy seat revealed in heaven Heb 8:1-5 Rev 11:19. I personally would not want to remove anything Christ covers by His mercy which He wrote right in the Ten Commandments

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Why we see the ark of the covenant in heaven at the last trumpet before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ

Rev 11:18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth."
Rev 11:19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

One of the last verses before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and what we want to hear instead of the next verse v15 and Mat 7:23

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

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You too listen: if you can't be respectful of my time and don't have a strong enough argument to make your point with one or two scriptures and a couple of paragraphs that I can take the time to reply to then don't bother. I know there's nothing in the 10 commandments that says, "Be respectful of other people's time" but there certainly is in the Spirit of Christ.

Studyman said:

Hard to define it in one or two sentences,

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Simple
Matthew22: 37-40

timothyu said:

Simple
Matthew22: 37-40

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That’s tells us that we should love God with all our heart mind and soul and love our neighbor, but the law and the prophets is what teaches us what it mans to do this. Love to God and love to man is more than a feeling, its more of a commitment 1 John 5:2-3 Exo 20:6 John 14:15 John 15:10 we place His will above our own

SabbathBlessings said:

That’s tells us

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A child can understand it. It eliminates the human teachers

timothyu said:

A child can understand it. It eliminates the human teachers

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The verses you quoted doesn't tell us how to love God, just that we should. I do not believe love to God and man is an arbitrary feeling. Scripture says its not 1 John 5:2-3

SabbathBlessings said:

The verses you quoted doesn't tell us how to love God, just that we should.

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It tells us from beginning to end of scripture we love the Father by doing His Will alone and Jesus by following His commandments. Period.

timothyu said:

It tells us from beginning to end of scripture we love the Father by doing His Will alone and Jesus by following His commandments. Period.

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Let me give you an example from Scripture

This is what Jesus said - He says we need to love God with our everything and love our neighbor but He doesn't tell us how to love in this verse, just that we should. Sadly many take this verse as the only two things we need to do and my version of love to God and love to man might be different than yours and different than someone else and so forth and different than God's. I do not believe this is the intent behind His Words here, Jesus is actually quoting something very specific

Mat 22:37 Jesus said to him, 'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.'
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like it: 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.'
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Paul talks about the details of how to love our neighbor and what it consists of or what he calls the summary- which does not delete the details

Rom 13:9 For the commandments, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," "YOU SHALL NOT MURDER," "YOU SHALL NOT STEAL," "YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS," "YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."

The greatest commandment to love God also does not go undefined. Jesus is quoting Deut 6:5

Deu 6:5 You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.

But if you look at the context of how this was stated, it was right after Moses quoted the Ten Commandments 40 years after God gave them and right before the children of Israel crossed over to the Promise Land for them to diligently keep and teach their children's children to diligently keep etc. just as we need to before entering our Promise Land Rev 22:14

My whole point is, the greatest commandments and love to God and love to man did not go undefined. Its not really as much a feeling as it is a commitment to do God's will Psa 40:8 and His Testimony Exo 31:18 above our own. This is love to God and love to man.

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

Its why when people say the Ten Commandments are not based on love are sadly mistaken.

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

The whole Bible hangs on these two commandments - love to God and love to mankind

Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

The Scripture defines what this means.

timothyu said:

A child can understand it. It eliminates the human teachers

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I don't believe the Holy Scriptures were Inspired by human teachers. Nor do I believe God had the Scripture written in vain, except for 4 sentences in Matt. 22::37-40.

But that's just me.

SabbathBlessings said:

This is what Jesus said - He says we need to love God with our everything and love our neighbor but He doesn't tell us how to love in this verse, just that we should

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It all goes back to the Garden when God said His Will first. Period. That is loving God. As for all humanity, love as self. No way around that, unless of course a person has no desire to serve God and each other in need.
Lords Prayer says it all

timothyu said:

It all goes back to the Garden when God said His Will first. Period. That is loving God. As for all humanity, love as self. No way around that, unless of course a person has no desire to serve God and each other in need.
Lords Prayer says it all

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I agree we need to do God's will and love Him and our neighbor. My only point is that how do to these things does not go undefined in Scripture. Many people say they love God, but do not keep His commandments, or keep the ones they want to, I think this is a distorted version of love and doing His will. Its not something we have to guess, He literally spelled it out for us. I guess I do not understand the disagreement if you agree we need to do God's will and love Him and our neighbor, why would we not allow Him to define what that is, because He does through His Word.

I agree and He did quite simply.... servitude, not self

timothyu said:

I agree and He did quite simply.... servitude, not self

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I think its more than this, but that's okay, we can agree to disagree.

Be well.