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Trump threatens to cut Calif.’s federal funds if trans athletes ‘illegally’ compete in women’s events
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You can have a practical and secular argument that is still a moral one. You have already agreed that there is a moral argument when you said it was immoral to force women to have men in their spaces if they don't want it.
These angles are moral angles. Its moral to look after the safety of others. To reject that is immoral. The privacy argument is also a moral one. One does not have a right to invade the privacy of someone who does not wish it. Thats immoral.
If you do not wish to see it that way then thats your choice.
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And you went on to tell me that it was still immoral even if everybody agreed to it , as in the private workplace bathrooms of my examples, for instance, irrespective of whether there were trans people involved or not.
Apparently it is also immoral to "invade the privacy" of someone who has no objection to it.
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You keep saying that, but unless you can quote me saying that you'll need to stop.making false statements.
Once again, show me saying that or admit you are so blinded by your own bias that you cant actually see clearly.
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I'm certainly pleased to here you say that, because my objection to a Federal bathroom ban is that I suspect (based on postings here, for example. it would allow for no exceptions.
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No, they're not. Let me ask you something: does the presentation of one's sex change across time periods, or across cultures? Does the presentation of gender?
If you think both questions have the same answer, think again.
A hint:
Wait...do I get to decide who has rights and who doesn't? Hmm, that opens some interesting possibilities....
So take your concerns to the ruling body of whatever sport you're interested in, and hash it out with them. As I said, I leave any and all decisions to them.
-- A2SG, got enough on my plate already, what with deciding who gets rights and who doesn't.....
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At this level of discussion a formal apology s not required. You act as though I had accused you of something implausible, but the implication was there, and voiced by others without objection from you, that a male just being in a woman's bathroom was doing something immoral even if nobody felt threatened by it or felt that their privacy was unduly invaded.
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Will there be someone to check genitalia at the door, just to be sure? I mean, if a trans woman who act like a woman, dresses like a woman, and looks to all appearances like a woman tries to use the men's room, people might be uncomfortable. She, most of all.
-- A2SG, have you really thought this through? It's not as simple as you want it to be.....
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I disagree. Because you made an incorrect claim that I told you something. You said it told you something that I didnt say. You said,
'And you went on to tell me that it was still immoral even if everybody agreed to it ,"
Thats not an implication. Thats a flat out statement, claiming its what I said.
Id be pleased with an admition that you were incorrect.
Until you do that we wont go any further with a discussion on government bans.
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Sometimes the so called trans woman quite literally looks like a man in a dress or a man in make up. The five o clock shadow and Adam’s apple give it away. If a woman feels that is wrong, she has the right to say so. It’s really about respect and common courtesy for others, is all.
Although, it’s not always obvious.
I work in retail. I see it all the time, unfortunately.
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