• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

World conditions are scary, that is incontestable, is it a prelude to something bad? Or is it just business as usual?

Xeno.of.athens

I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of heaven.
May 18, 2022
7,456
2,382
Perth
✟203,284.00
Country
Australia
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Single
World conditions are scary, that is incontestable, is it a prelude to something bad? Or is it just business as usual?

The Church Fathers saw Malachi 3:1 as a profound prophecy pointing to both John the Baptist and Christ Himself, and they interpreted it with rich theological depth:

“Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me. And the Lord whom you seek shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom you delight in.”


1. “My messenger” — John the Baptist

Fathers like St. Jerome, St. Augustine, and St. John Chrysostom consistently identified this “messenger” as John the Baptist, the forerunner of Christ. They drew on the Gospel parallels (e.g., Matthew 11:10, Mark 1:2) where Jesus Himself applies this verse to John. Chrysostom noted that John’s role was to prepare hearts through repentance, just as royal heralds prepared roads for a king.

2. “The Lord… shall suddenly come to his temple” — Christ
The “Lord” who comes to His temple was understood to be Christ, the divine Son of God. Origen and Hippolytus emphasised that this was not merely a prophet or angel, but God Himself, entering His temple—fulfilled when Jesus was presented in the Temple (Luke 2:22–28) and later when He cleansed it (John 2:13–17).

3. “Messenger of the covenant” — Christ as Mediator
This phrase was interpreted by Fathers like Irenaeus and Cyril of Alexandria as referring to Christ as the Mediator of the New Covenant (cf. Hebrews 8:6). He is both the divine Lord and the one who brings the covenant of grace, fulfilling the Law and the Prophets.

4. Theological Themes
  • Dual fulfilment: The Fathers often saw a double advent in this verse—Christ’s first coming in humility and His second in glory.
  • Temple imagery: The sudden coming to the temple was seen as a sign of divine judgement and purification, echoed in the next verses (Mal 3:2–3).
  • Typology: Some Fathers saw this as a fulfilment of Isaiah 40:3, linking the “messenger” to the voice crying in the wilderness.

Malachi 4:5–6 is a striking and solemn conclusion to the Old Testament, and it carries deep theological resonance in both Jewish and Christian traditions:
“Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the great and dreadful day of the Lord comes. And he will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers, lest I come and strike the land with a curse.”
Here’s how this passage is typically understood:

1. Elijah as the Forerunner

In Jewish expectation, Elijah’s return heralds the coming of the Day of the Lord—a time of divine judgement and restoration. Because Elijah was taken up to heaven without dying (2 Kings 2:11), many believed he would return bodily to prepare the people.

In the New Testament, this prophecy is applied to John the Baptist, who came “in the spirit and power of Elijah” (Luke 1:17). Jesus Himself affirms this in Matthew 11:14 and 17:12–13, though He also hints at a future fulfilment, suggesting a layered or typological reading.

2. Reconciliation and Repentance

The phrase “turn the hearts of fathers to their children…” is often interpreted as a call to generational reconciliation, but also more broadly as a spiritual renewal—a return to the faith of the patriarchs. Some Church Fathers, like Origen and Hippolytus, saw this as a metaphor for restoring Israel’s covenant fidelity.

3. The “Great and Dreadful Day”

This “day” is not merely historical—it’s eschatological. In Catholic tradition, it’s associated with the Second Coming of Christ, when judgement and mercy will be fully revealed. The Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC 673–677) connects this with the Church’s final trial and the unveiling of the Antichrist.

4. A Conditional Curse

The final warning—“lest I come and strike the land with a curse”—is unique. In Jewish liturgical tradition, this verse is often followed by re-reading verse 5 to avoid ending the Torah on a note of judgement. Yet theologically, it underscores the urgency of repentance and the mercy of God, who sends a prophet to avert destruction.
 
  • Winner
Reactions: Richard T

th1bill

A Believer/Follower
Jul 5, 2003
1,299
228
80
Texas
Visit site
✟108,777.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Constitution
I have been here for eighty years, plus, now and it is not the same as the 1950s , when I grew up. And it is sad because the youngsters believe things are getting better and do not see the Word being fulfilled.
 
Upvote 0

Bob Crowley

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Dec 27, 2015
3,885
2,424
71
Logan City
✟970,447.00
Country
Australia
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Eschatology is a morbid topic since it is wrapped up in the apocalyptic imagery of the the Book of Revelation.

Today we have the additional threats of nuclear war, environmental destruction, climate change, electronic eavesdropping and monitoring, population presssures, super industrialisation, and chaotic ethics.

I think there's a judgement coming. But I also believe that God intends to drive us off the planet and out into the universe, which is not something that most "last days" merchants ever talk about. It wasn't that long ago that the Soviet Union aka Russia, which these days is hard pressed to defeat Ukraine (with Western help) was supposedly going to sweep down as Magog and obliterate the Holy Land.

I'm a bit jaundiced about "Biblical" interpretations of the "Last Days". But when i look around at the human race, it is obvious we can do a pretty good job of wrecking the place ourselves if we are left to our own devices viz. Matthew 24:22 NIV

“If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
I'm aware that was a reference to the Roman destruction of the Temple, but ti can be allegorically interpreted to refer to a world wide judgment.

Assuming the catastrophe which wiped out most of the dinosaurs was part of God's "loving plan" then it seems God can be heavy handed when He wants to be. And there were earlier disasters before that.


The largest extinction in Earth's history marked the end of the Permian period, some 252 million years ago. Long before dinosaurs, our planet was populated with plants and animals that were mostly obliterated after a series of massive volcanic eruptions in Siberia.

Fossils in ancient seafloor rocks display a thriving and diverse marine ecosystem, then a swath of corpses. Some 96 percent of marine species were wiped out during the "Great Dying," followed by millions of years when life had to multiply and diversify once more.
 
Upvote 0

Xeno.of.athens

I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of heaven.
May 18, 2022
7,456
2,382
Perth
✟203,284.00
Country
Australia
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Single
Not as scary as in 1939, or 1962… Conversely, the summer of 2001 was a very ordinary time.
That’s a fair point—history does remind us that humanity has weathered even darker storms. Still, it’s okay to feel uneasy with the present. Acknowledging your point helps with staying grounded.
 
  • Friendly
Reactions: The Liturgist
Upvote 0

The Liturgist

Traditional Liturgical Christian
Site Supporter
Nov 26, 2019
15,707
8,285
50
The Wild West
✟769,630.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Generic Orthodox Christian
Marital Status
Celibate
That’s a fair point—history does remind us that humanity has weathered even darker storms. Still, it’s okay to feel uneasy with the present. Acknowledging your point helps with staying grounded.

Indeed. Remember that on the one hand we have eschatological passages talking of wars and rumors of wars, and of martyrdoms and tribulations, but also assurances of Christ coming like a “thief in the night” - it is for a reason he promised us no man can know the moment or the hour.

We must understand this world is unstable, due to the fallen conditions caused by ancestral sin, and is passing away. We must focus on treasure in Heaven, not loving the world or the things that are in the world.

In my youth on Sunday after church with my grandparents I looked forward to playing early computer games on my grandfather’s computer*, with my cousins. I had my own less advanced computer that also had computer games, but one can take this worldly experience and derive from it what I actually enjoyed, since I could play video games with my cousins, who, although aging, are still alive today. Specifically, I really enjoyed going to church - the organ music, the hymns, the scripture lessons, and especially the Eucharist when it was offered (which was monthly at that Methodist parish). We all wore our Sunday best, which I enjoyed wearing, and I enjoyed singing hymns with my father and my grandparents, may their memory be eternal, and my mother, who is still with us, and I enjoyed being with my family.

And before going home, at coffee hour, there was a tree that our friends, the other kids from the parish, and my cousins and I would climb in. Thus, it was the experience of worship coupled with being with friends and family and feeling the immediate presence of God with us, especially when partaking of Holy Communion (I always believed in the real presence - I don’t know that the United Methodist Church had a valid Eucharist at the time, and I wouldn’t partake of their communion in a UMC parish now, but that notwithstanding, the important point is that I believe God encouraged my belief in the real presence of the Eucharist miraculously so as to ensure I would follow the path I have followed, which is centered on the Body and Blood of Christ.

Thus, the things in the world were enjoyments, but they were not what I loved.

I do understand how the times can be unsettling, but we must not forget that our eternal home is so much better than all of this.

*Given his profession, he was also an early adopter of personal computers and later in the 1990s was the first person I knew with dial-up Internet access, and also despite his mastery of computers, realizing the importance of web browsing as the main means of data exchange was an early adopter of a Microsoft product called WebTV, which was an ancestor of the iPad and iPhone and Android devices, and especially the Google Chromebook.
 
Upvote 0