Trump lying to justify his reasons to bomb Iran.

FireDragon76 · Jun 18, 2025

bèlla said:
I don’t believe we’re invincible. It’s like watching a climatic rise that ends in disgrace. We’re nearing the end of our empire economically and another will come to the fore. No one rules forever and there’s historical precedents that prove this.

~bella

I agree. The social fabric of the US is in tatters. The US has some of the highest rates of drug abuse and mental illness in the world. Cultural exhaustion has given rise to cultural nihilism and authoritarianism. I see this as due to an unmoored cultural posture that poisoned our politics, going back decades, but ultimately it points to something spiritual, just as Jimmy Carter said prophetically in his "malaise" address. The US rejected the ethic of humility and service in favor of self-aggrandizement.

That's why the US is akin to Babylon. Only most American Christians are asleep at the wheel when it comes to discernment.

Iran's Shia fundamentalism is a fig leaf over a national wound that predates its modern existence. In reality, the dynamics of the Middle East are all about the legacy of British colonialism and foreign oil companies like Shell and British Petroleum.

Dave G. · Jun 18, 2025

In these days of deception and crooked news networks you really have to watch what you play into as supposed news. It's hard to even tell if something is Ai generated, too. And it's going to get worse.

But universally across many reliable networks, including reliable Christian and Israels news sources, the military engaging in strikes know exactly where the nuke sites are located and taken out many.

Don't get played by deception.

Pray for the people of Iran, they are nice people who want this terrorist regime toppled and to put in place a more traditional means of governing. Pray for them as the snake in the garden gets it's head lobbed off.

FireDragon76 · Jun 18, 2025

Dave G. said:
In these days of deception and crooked news networks you really have to watch what you play into as supposed news. It's hard to even tell if something is Ai generated, too. And it's going to get worse.

But universally across many reliable networks, including reliable Christian and Israels news sources, the military engaging in strikes know exactly where the nuke sites are located and taken out many.

Don't get played by deception.

Pray for the people of Iran, they are nice people who want this terrorist regime toppled and to put in place a more traditional means of governing. Pray for them as the snake in the garden gets it's head lobbed off.

I'd rather not get caught up in what amounts to political opponent processing and understand the deeper systemic and spiritual roots, rather than focusing on ideology and slogans.

Matt5 · Jun 18, 2025

Say it aint so said:
US spies said Iran wasn’t building a nuclear weapon. Trump dismisses that assessment
Tulsi Gabbard Says Iran Not Believed to be Building a Nuclear Weapon
Trump: "“I don’t care what she said,” Trump told reporters. In his view, Iran was “very close” to having a nuclear bomb."

This is the danger of Trump. He will just out and out lie to justify his off the cuff decisions. Remember the last time a President lied to justify military action? Yes, the Iraq war. Now even though intel within his own administration is stating Iran has no nukes, nor are they moving forward with nukes; he just ignores them and threatens to bomb Iran for having something nobody is saying they have. But unlike with Bush, with Trump his own intel are not out lying to justify military action (yet). He's dangerous and lies without regard to ramifications. Recall his intel agencies, all of them, said MS13 is not part of the Venezuelan government. He just ignores them and lies otherwise. He is just narcissistic dangerous.

What does it even mean - to build a nuclear weapon?

Mastering all the components of a miniaturized nuke but with no actual assembly means I am not building a bomb. But it's pretty obvious that I will when ready.

One component that is really hard to master is the soccer ball assembly of explosives that must detonate at precisely the same instant. These explosives compress the uranium or plutonium pit. How does one get each detonator to go off at precisely the same instant? This is super hard to master. Failure here means the nuke blows itself apart before most of the uranium can fission.

Note: There is only one use for a soccer ball style assembly of explosives: a miniaturized nuclear warhead for use on missiles.

"Meanwhile, the Washington Post obtained a photo of Iranian engineers working on what is described as a non-working prototype of nuclear warhead assembly. If it is 13 inches in diameter, as it appears, it is almost certainly the design that China gave Pakistan in the early 1980s and that Khan passed to Libya as well. (The polished metal sphere would contain a five-inch-diameter, highly-enriched uranium core, suspended at its center. The metal sphere would be surrounded by specially-shaped high explosives — 22 hexagonal, 10 pentagons, as in an old-style soccer ball.)" Source: What the stolen Iranian nuclear secrets do, and don’t, reveal

Nithavela · Jun 18, 2025

Dave G. said:
Pray for the people of Iran, they are nice people who want this terrorist regime toppled and to put in place a more traditional means of governing.

Like the Schah?

BCP1928 · Jun 18, 2025

Dave G. said:
In these days of deception and crooked news networks you really have to watch what you play into as supposed news. It's hard to even tell if something is Ai generated, too. And it's going to get worse.

But universally across many reliable networks, including reliable Christian and Israels news sources, the military engaging in strikes know exactly where the nuke sites are located and taken out many.

Don't get played by deception.

Pray for the people of Iran, they are nice people who want this terrorist regime toppled and to put in place a more traditional means of governing. Pray for them as the snake in the garden gets it's head lobbed off.

Last time we toppled their government for them they weren't particularly grateful. Do you really think toppling it again will make them forgive us?

chevyontheriver · Jun 18, 2025

trophy33 said:
Proof?

Actual Iranian rhetoric.

trophy33 said:
Even now Iran says they act in self-defense and if Israel will stop attacking, they will also stop defending themselves.

Proof that they will do as they say in this instance instead of doing as they say when they say “Death to Israel”?

trophy33 said:
So why would they use a nuclear bomb (if they were even able to deliver it to Israel) and end basically the existence of the current Iran's regime that way? It is clear that such act would force the international community to take radical measures.

Death to Israel is more important to the Iranian regime than the survival of the Iranian regime. Far more important than what any international community might opine.

ThatRobGuy · Jun 18, 2025

durangodawood said:
That said, I be shocked! if Iran wasnt trying to build a bomb.

Common sense would dictate that of course they were trying to build one...

There wouldn't have been a need for a nuclear deal under the Obama administration if it wasn't well-known that Iran had those kinds of ambitions.

You don't typically have to pay a mafia-style protection vig "Here's some money, please don't hurt anyone" to nations that don't want to build one.

BCP1928 · Jun 18, 2025

ThatRobGuy said:
Common sense would dictate that of course they were trying to build one...

There wouldn't have been a need for a nuclear deal under the Obama administration if it wasn't well-known that Iran had those kinds of ambitions.

You don't typically have to pay a mafia-style protection vig "Here's some money, please don't hurt anyone" to nations that don't want to build one.

Yes, I we are aware that conservatives think giving them back their own money was a mistake. But if Trump declares war on Iran the Iranians will know for sure that they were right to try and build a bomb--they just didn't get it done in time.

ThatRobGuy · Jun 18, 2025

BCP1928 said:
Yes, I we are aware that conservatives think giving them back their own money was a mistake. But if Trump declares war on Iran the Iranians will know for sure that they were right to try and build a bomb--they just didn't get it done in time.

It wasn't just "giving them back their own money"

While unfreezing assets was one component, the big one was the lifting of sanctions (that were imposed specifically because they were trying to build nuclear weapons) and allowing them start selling their oil on the broader international markets again (which was worth way more than the frozen assets you're referring to)

bèlla · Jun 18, 2025

Dave G. said:
In these days of deception and crooked news networks you really have to watch what you play into as supposed news. It's hard to even tell if something is Ai generated, too. And it's going to get worse.

I agree. Which leads me to question your sources and their unwavering support of practices that are wholly unbiblical. More importantly, I’m left to wonder how you’d respond in similar straits? Do you readily defend the person who wrongs you and accept their affliction? Or do you defend yourself and seek the Lord‘s protection?

Dave G. said:
Pray for the people of Iran, they are nice people who want this terrorist regime toppled and to put in place a more traditional means of governing. Pray for them as the snake in the garden gets it's head lobbed off.

How do you know what the Iranian‘s desire? Are you hearing from them directly or basing your opinion on your sources? We live in a global society now. We don’t have to rely on western interpretations for nations beyond our borders. We can go to the source with the click of a mouse and hear from them ourselves. Have you done the same?

~bella

BCP1928 · Jun 18, 2025

ThatRobGuy said:
It wasn't just "giving them back their own money"

While unfreezing assets was one component, the big one was the lifting of sanctions (that were imposed specifically because they were trying to build nuclear weapons) and allowing them start selling their oil on the broader international markets again (which was worth way more than the frozen assets you're referring to)

It's a question of how much sovereignty over Iran we expect to have. Israel is known to have at least a few nuclear weapons--why should they be allowed to have them and Iran not? Shall we bomb Israel, too? How about Saudi Arabia?

BCP1928 · Jun 18, 2025

ThatRobGuy said:
It wasn't just "giving them back their own money"

While unfreezing assets was one component, the big one was the lifting of sanctions (that were imposed specifically because they were trying to build nuclear weapons) and allowing them start selling their oil on the broader international markets again (which was worth way more than the frozen assets you're referring to)

That's not "giving" them anything, It's allowing them to do something they have a right to do.

ThatRobGuy · Jun 18, 2025

BCP1928 said:
That's not "giving" them anything, It's allowing them to do something they have a right to do.

So then, by that standard, Russia would be justified in taking hostile actions toward all of the countries that currently have sanctions imposed on them?

ThatRobGuy · Jun 18, 2025

BCP1928 said:
It's a question of how much sovereignty over Iran we expect to have. Israel is known to have at least a few nuclear weapons--why should they be allowed to have them and Iran not? Shall we bomb Israel, too? How about Saudi Arabia?

It's because Iran was signatory to the NPT, and was found to be in violation of the terms.

Saudi Arabia neither has nukes (nor any other WMDs), and as a signatory, was complying with all inspections and requirements of the NPT. In fact, they've been part of a coalition demanding a "nuclear-free" zone in the middle east.

Israel isn't a signatory to the NPT.

BCP1928 · Jun 18, 2025

ThatRobGuy said:
So then, by that standard, Russia would be justified in taking hostile actions toward all of the countries that currently have sanctions imposed on them?

What "hostile actions?" The hostility is justified and dates from long before we imposed sanctions and pulled out of the non-proliferation deal.

BCP1928 · Jun 18, 2025

ThatRobGuy said:
It's because Iran was signatory to the NPT, and was found to be in violation of the terms.

Saudi Arabia neither has nukes (nor any other WMDs), and as a signatory, was complying with all inspections and requirements of the NPT. In fact, they've been part of a coalition demanding a "nuclear-free" zone in the middle east.

And they have a deal with Pakistan to buy nuclear warheads if they decide they need them anyway.

ThatRobGuy said:
Israel isn't a signatory to the NPT.

So Israel doesn't have a dog in that fight either.

bèlla · Jun 18, 2025

FireDragon76 said:
I agree. The social fabric of the US is in tatters.

The country is the offspring of an imperialist regime. You can’t expect the apple to produce an orange. While the looks may differ at first glance you’ll discover the truth when you slice it. The pair are pretty identical. There’s little difference between America and the UK and both are crumbling before our eyes. And their condition is rightfully deserved.

FireDragon76 said:
That's why the US is akin to Babylon. Only most American Christians are asleep at the wheel when it comes to discernment.

Christians are lulled by falsities and reflected glory of former days that have come and gone. They’ve exchanged appreciation for nationalistic worship and political foolishness. I’m beginning to wonder if a spirit of blindness has befallen them. The delusion is too great to be coincidental and no amount of reasoning can rouse them.

FireDragon76 said:
Iran's Shia fundamentalism is a fig leaf over a national wound that predates its modern existence. In reality, the dynamics of the Middle East are all about the legacy of British colonialism and foreign oil companies like Shell and British Petroleum.

Iranians are Persians and have a lengthy history behind them. Some of which we find in the bible and celebrate. Unlike like many in the region who are created by western nations and beholden to their masters. They don’t have liberty of revolt or self-defense lest they find themselves deposed.

It reminds me of something I heard pertaining to Africa at the World Economic Forum. He said, Africa would have to accept its role as the world’s provider and relinquish its resources so that others might flourish. I was so outdone by his audacity I had to pause the video and pray against it.

And a similar situation is underway in Iran. They have resources we covet and wish to control. Our interests are usually financial and Ukraine is the latest victim in our shameful history. What did Trump seek in return from Zelensky? Who’s rebuilding the country and being fattened by the war machine? See the pattern?

~bella

durangodawood · Jun 18, 2025

ThatRobGuy said:
Common sense would dictate that of course they were trying to build one...

There wouldn't have been a need for a nuclear deal under the Obama administration if it wasn't well-known that Iran had those kinds of ambitions.

You don't typically have to pay a mafia-style protection vig "Here's some money, please don't hurt anyone" to nations that don't want to build one.

And lots of countries are probably looking at the situation of the denuclearized Ukraine and going "hmmm..."

Fantine · Jun 18, 2025

Opportunistic as usual.

While I disapprove of the entire operation, what I see is this:

Netanyahu takes all the risks. Netanyahu exposes his own country to all the response.

Trump jumps in with a deadly postscript and--if it works--claims all the credit.

The art of the steal.

But since we are discussing two individuals with virtually no redeeming qualities, it's hard to feel anything but disgust for both of them, and sorrow for our fallen world.

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