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Mysterious Riot Gear Handed Out to LA Protesters Raises Questions

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No, what I am saying is that when the protestors got to the federal buildings in downtown on the first day (the one with the heavy handed arrests) to protest, ICE agents fired munitions at them. (ICE actually started at least one fire themselves with the hot munitions they were spewing out.)
Then maybe these "protesters" shouldn't be interfering with law enforcement while they are doing their job. When that interference starts becoming aggressive, law enforcement has the right to use force. Be glad they didn't use AR15s.
 

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No, a person is responsible for his own acts, even if he has been intentionally and systematically provoked.
Oh? And how were they "provoked"? ICE showed up to to their job. If those affected feel "provoked" by that, they shouldn't have illegally been in this country to begin with. When they're here illegally, they shouldn't be continuing to do illegal things, such as assault law enforcement officers, loot and burn down businesses, murder people--you know, things like that.
Hey, maybe if those people don't want to be arrested by ICE, they shouldn't be doing the things that provoke an arrest warrant being issued against them.
Do the crime, do the time.
 

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Then I would be personally involved, but still not trained and experienced enough to make a competent decision myself.
So not only do you criticize the police for being prepared and taking action, but admit that you don't even know what you'd do yourself. How can you claim to know how the police should respond when faced with violence if you don't have the training or experience to make your own decision if faced with it on a personal level?
 

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Then maybe these "protesters" shouldn't be interfering with law enforcement while they are doing their job.
And what about their jobs was being interfered with?
When that interference starts becoming aggressive, law enforcement has the right to use force.
What do you consider to be "aggressive interference"?
Be glad they didn't use AR15s.
And why would they use lethal force on protestors?
 
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You'd think that if it really was an invasion that ICE would tell us when they arrested and invader, brag about it and tell us who he was and what was going to happen to him. As it is, if they did pick up anyone in their sweep of the Lowe's parking lot they won't say. If we are supposed to pretend that they are actual invaders, then if they are captured we ought to treat them at least according to the Geneva Convention.
If they entered the country illegally, and they do illegal things, then they're an invader regardless of what other country they came from.
 
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My understanding is that rape, murder, drug dealing, trafficking, gang activity, etc.are still being actively prosecuted by the regular police, and ICE has no jusisdiction unless immigration issues are involved.
Yes, that's how it works. The people who are being scooped up by ICE are the ones who have a record of rape, murder, drug dealing, trafficking, gang activity, etc., and are also illegal immigrants. They're still on the streets because the previous administration refused to deport them. So now it's up to Trump's administration to do that part, and that is why ICE is doing the current raids to deport those people. The rioters who oppose this action clearly want to keep these people around--or they're the ones that are being sought for arrest.
 
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Then maybe these "protesters" shouldn't be interfering with law enforcement while they are doing their job. When that interference starts becoming aggressive, law enforcement has the right to use force. Be glad they didn't use AR15s.
I'll bet you are disappointed.
 
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I'll bet you are disappointed.
I'm more disappointed in the "poor, disadvantaged, looking-for-a-better-life" illegal aliens showing so little gratitude to the country that allowed them to be here until they showed their criminal side.
 
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I'm more disappointed in the "poor, disadvantaged, looking-for-a-better-life" illegal aliens showing so little gratitude to the country that allowed them to be here until they showed their criminal side.
Some of them are criminals without doubt. And ICE has actually done some good work rounding them up. It's unfortunate that they have to spend time putting on dog and pony shows for the President's faithful.
 
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Some of them are criminals without doubt. And ICE has actually done some good work rounding them up. It's unfortunate that they have to spend time putting on dog and pony shows for the President's faithful.
You seem to be confusing the actions of rioters with what ICE is doing. The violence of rioters in the streets is your dog and pony show (which the Press just seems to love using).
 

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How is it unrelated? The question is whether the U.S. Constitution grants American citizens the right to bear arms to stand up to a government they consider oppressive. If so, does the U.S. Constitution also grant American citizens the right to wear masks or riot gear for the same purpose?
The government is ENFORCING the law - if they do not like the law- they can change it.

The Second amendment is not addressing violent protest where citizens and illegal aliens are burning cars, throwing projectiles at Federal Agents and police - the Second Amendment it not giving permission for the looting that is happening

All because the current federal laws are being enforced.

That is why it is completely unrelated.

Thank God they have not taken up arms, thank God for our Police and Federal Law enforcement for standing up for the law.

Until it changes - they are doing what is lawful and right.
 

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Now - back to the actual topic:

Report: ‘Bionic Shield’ Masks Handed Out by Masked Group in LA


Protests in downtown Los Angeles took an unusual turn Monday night when a group clad in masks handed out riot shields and masks called a “bionic shield,” per reports.

Reporters from FOX 11 captured the distribution of tactical gear by unknown people near federal buildings guarded by the National Guard. No police presence was observed at that time.
 

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Oh? And how were they "provoked"? ICE showed up to to their job. If those affected feel "provoked" by that, they shouldn't have illegally been in this country to begin with. When they're here illegally, they shouldn't be continuing to do illegal things, such as assault law enforcement officers, loot and burn down businesses, murder people--you know, things like that.
Hey, maybe if those people don't want to be arrested by ICE, they shouldn't be doing the things that provoke an arrest warrant being issued against them.
Do the crime, do the time.
First of all, you forget that Trump, in his desperate attempt to pretend we are overrun by dark-skinned criminals, has actually suspended all the refugee visas that grant them legal status due to their fleeing persecution. So legal today, gone tomorrow? What's fair about that? (Ans. Nothing!)

Secondly, a friend on Long Island has been trying to help the Catholic Nigerian priests who are here legally on work visas, ministering to faithful Christians, and waiting to get their green cards. The priest in her parish, who will be deported in a week, was on a list to get a green card for three years! And that means, of course, that others doing needed work in NY, including religious priest and nuns, will also be deported when their work permits expire. Why? Because the Trump administration decides people with work visas sponsored by their employers can be deported if they just put a closed sign in front of the Green Card office. EXCLUSIVE: Priest set to be deported as years-old green card application awaits review

Thirdly, on Progress Radio they reported that ICE agents wear masks and cover their badges so they can't be identified. They swoop down like aliens in horror movies and don't pay much attention to whether someone is in a protected category, is law abiding, etc."

As far as being "provoked" goes, what in the world is "provoking" all of this unleashed hatred of immigrants? We have immigrants in my town, and we live peaceably with them. They attend our churches, they do wonderful work as roofers, contractors, landscapers, seamstresses, cooks, housekeepers, etc. Their work ethic is unbelievable. Exactly what are they doing that gets you so angry? Are they racing to get parking spots in Wal-Mart before you?

If those affected feel "provoked" by that, they shouldn't have illegally been in this country to begin with.

What's so wrong about empathy? Lack of empathy is not a virtue. It is a sad condition that prevents people from being full human and fully alive.
 
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The government is ENFORCING the law - if they do not like the law- they can change it.

The Second amendment is not addressing violent protest where citizens and illegal aliens are burning cars, throwing projectiles at Federal Agents and police - the Second Amendment it not giving permission for the looting that is happening

All because the current federal laws are being enforced.

That is why it is completely unrelated.

Thank God they have not taken up arms, thank God for our Police and Federal Law enforcement for standing up for the law.

Until it changes - they are doing what is lawful and right.

Thank you. I think you said the magic word “ current federal laws are being enforced”.

I don’t agree with President Trump or current GOP immigration policy, but I understand they are enforcing the law as written. To change it, we need action at the ballot box and in Congress. Unfortunately, I don’t think this will happen in the next 20 years. Democrats use "immigration reform" to attract minority voters every election but don't genuinely aim to resolve the issue. Conservatives like me who supported Bush's comprehensive immigration reform are now a minority, and our opinions no longer resonate with most Americans.
 
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Mexico will lose and lose badly if they go to war with the USA.

...at ease soldier. It was a joke.

P.S. but keep an eye on that landscaper armed with leafblower!
 
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Now - back to the actual topic:

Report: ‘Bionic Shield’ Masks Handed Out by Masked Group in LA


Protests in downtown Los Angeles took an unusual turn Monday night when a group clad in masks handed out riot shields and masks called a “bionic shield,” per reports.

Reporters from FOX 11 captured the distribution of tactical gear by unknown people near federal buildings guarded by the National Guard. No police presence was observed at that time.

What makes them "bionic"? or is it just marketing?
 
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