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One Will Be Taken And The Other Left.
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Right. And there's nothing in scripture describing the kind of chaos and destruction that would result from a pre-trib rapture. Surely, that would be described somewhere in scripture if such a thing was ever going to occur.
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IMO, the rapture is not the second coming. It will, in my opinion, occur, perhaps, on the Feast of Trumpets.
I'm going to share what Zola Levitte taught.
When the priest blows the trumpet, the Jewish people knew to go to Temple. The others, not having been born a Jew, would pay the trumpet no mind.
Today, the real Jews are those who believe in Jesus Christ.
Don't like that?
Take it up with Paul.
So, 2 men working in a field and one is a non-believer and the Trumpet means nothing. He continues to work.
The other goes into the presence of God.
This all occurs prior to Christ's second coming.
You all seem familiar with the Feast Days.
I'm going to share what Zola Levitte taught.
When the priest blows the trumpet, the Jewish people knew to go to Temple. The others, not having been born a Jew, would pay the trumpet no mind.
Today, the real Jews are those who believe in Jesus Christ.
Don't like that?
Take it up with Paul.
So, 2 men working in a field and one is a non-believer and the Trumpet means nothing. He continues to work.
The other goes into the presence of God.
This all occurs prior to Christ's second coming.
You all seem familiar with the Feast Days.
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Please read my post #7 and give me your thoughts. Where did you get the idea from that in terms of one being taken and one left, that the one who does not go into the presence of God survives and continues living on the earth? That is not what Jesus taught. Read Luke 17:26-37.
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Context: Jesus is talking about the Day of Judgment, and He compares it to being like the days of Noah when the flood came. When the flood came people were going about their lives as usual, people were getting married and raising families, they were going to work, plowing the field, etc--when suddenly the flood came and they were taken away. In that same way when the Day of Judgment comes, people will be going about their lives as usual, they will be plowing the field, working the grindstone, working in the kitchen when suddenly some will be taken--in judgment.
The ones taken are taken in judgment.
Does this mean that suddenly planes will fall out of the sky because the pilot was taken? Or cars will crash because drivers were taken? Well, no. Because on the Day of Judgment, on the Day Christ returns to judge the living and the dead, that's the Last Day. C.S. Lewis once put it this way: At the end of a play all the actors will come upon the stage and give a bow, but when the playwright, the author, of the play steps upon the stage then the play is over, the curtains close, it's over. When the Lord Jesus returns, that's it, the play is over, the whole drama of history has finished. All will be stand before the Throne, and the Judge will mete out judgment.
When the Lord returns on Judgment Day, there won't be cars or planes. It's not about some mysterious vanishing of people--it is being taken by judgment (analogous to how the wicked were swept away, taken, by the waters of the flood). St. Peter reminds us that on that Day it will be as if heaven and earth are burned up in a great conflagration of fire. Other phrases used in Scripture speak of the heavens being rolled up like a scroll.
What, precisely, that Day will "look like" is beyond us. But the point Scripture makes is clear: Christ returns in the sight and knowledge of all; the dead are raised bodily; the wicked are taken away in judgment; all must stand before the Throne; this present world/age will be consumed; and then God will make all things new--the renewal of all creation.
There is a cottage industry of people who spill a lot of ink and make a lot of money on making predictions about the "end times". But what the Bible actually says is both far more interesting and amazing than what these folks write about in their books, and is also much less "Hollywood" than they would like to make it.
Michael Bay won't be directing Judgment Day, so no need to imagine planes falling out of the sky, or cars spiraling of control, or big cinematic explosions.
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Luke 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together. This is not an escape passage! Where dead bodies are being eaten by eagles is no place you want to go. See Revelation and Ezekiel, they both refer to this event.
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Why would Paul write what he did in 2nd Thes if a catching away did not proceed that day of judgement?
Scripture tells us this event is not His second coming. We meet Him in the air, not on the ground.
He returns for His betrothed, the church.
Then the great tribulation occurs.
Scripture tells us this event is not His second coming. We meet Him in the air, not on the ground.
He returns for His betrothed, the church.
Then the great tribulation occurs.
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2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
Coming and gathering, one event not two.
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Day of Christ, same day referred to in verse 1.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, “That day “ the same day referred to in verses 1&2. except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; The “apostasy” will happen and the man of sin will be revealed before “that day” the day of Christ’s return and out gathering. 1 Timothy 4:1 There is only one more return of Christ in our future, spoken of in scripture. Yes we meet Christ in the air. No scripture says we don’t touch down with him. It is assumed the church meets Christ in the air and returns to heaven, but no scripture states that.
Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
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We will know for certain in the twinkling of the eye and all of our differences will vanish, because then "We will know even as we are now known".
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Often times, prophecy in the Bible is pointing to a recurrent pattern in humanity, and not specifical historical events: people wait for things to get impossible before they repent. And the elect or the chosen don't avoid responsibility in this process, either.
If people want easy, simple solutions to life, they have got the wrong religion.
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The Biblical imagery actually points away from this kind of end-times speculation that is popular among the naive. The point of these pericopes in Matthew is continued faithfulness, not soothsaying.
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