Multiple immigration sweeps reported across Los Angeles, with a tense standoff/protest downtown; SEIU union leader arrested

essentialsaltes · Jun 8, 2025

Landon Caeli said:
I think everyone should be concerned by those select people on the left (not all), who view physical violence as an acceptable means of political responsiveness. This needs to stop.

Certainly, and it's being stopped by LAPD and the county Sheriffs, depending on jurisdiction. Overnight, entire ones were arrested.

essentialsaltes · Jun 8, 2025

Chief Jim McDonnell and Sheriff Robert Luna have repeatedly said they will not enforce federal immigration law, but will protect the lives of federal agents and protesters.

It makes for strange scenes as local LE will not help with immigration, but will help protect both the feds and the general public.

And the feds have the capability to defend themselves as well.

Belk · Jun 8, 2025

Landon Caeli said:
I constantly see these false equivalencies by the left, and this Texas governor being compared to the violence we see erupting in Los Angeles is no different. Am I the only person seeing this?

...Or is this fallacy acceptable, because it's done using "facts"?

What false equivalency? Either it is wrong to call out the national guard against the wishes of the governor or it is not. I see no false equivalency there.

wing2000 · Jun 8, 2025

ozso said:
I figured the national guard would have to be brought in eventually.

Steven Miller will gladly fufill your wishes.

Yesterday, Miller and the president were suggesting this was an "insurrection"....

Here is what the law says (that Trump invoked):

Governors almost always control the deployment of National Guard troops in their states. But the directive signed by Mr. Trump cites ”10 U.S.C. 12406,” referring to a specific provision within Title 10 of the U.S. Code on Armed Services. Part of that provision allows the federal deployment of National Guard forces if “there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States.”

It also states that the president may call into federal service “members and units of the National Guard of any State in such numbers as he considers necessary to repel the invasion, suppress the rebellion, or execute those laws.”

Mr. Trump’s directive said, “To the extent that protests or acts of violence directly inhibit the execution of the laws, they constitute a form of rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/07/us/trump-national-guard-deploy-rare.html

This is no a rebellion....nor "a form of rebellion."
Nor an invasion.

It is a "show" of force designed to thrill the MAGA faithful.

The National Guard arrived this morning to quiet streets.....so far.

Landon Caeli · Jun 8, 2025

Belk said:
What false equivalency? Either it is wrong to call out the national guard against the wishes of the governor or it is not. I see no false equivalency there.

A lot of statements can be interpreted in a variety of different ways. And the shift away from the original topic towards deciding on the validity of ordering the national guard, is a change that deserved being pinpointed, IMO. I feel like everyone is happy with the clarification, and we did it without ruffling too many feathers, which was nice.

Landon Caeli · Jun 8, 2025

wing2000 said:
Steven Miller will gladly fufill your wishes.

Yesterday, Miller and the president were suggesting this was an "insurrection"....

Here is what the law says (that Trump invoked):

Governors almost always control the deployment of National Guard troops in their states. But the directive signed by Mr. Trump cites ”10 U.S.C. 12406,” referring to a specific provision within Title 10 of the U.S. Code on Armed Services. Part of that provision allows the federal deployment of National Guard forces if “there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States.”

It also states that the president may call into federal service “members and units of the National Guard of any State in such numbers as he considers necessary to repel the invasion, suppress the rebellion, or execute those laws.”

Mr. Trump’s directive said, “To the extent that protests or acts of violence directly inhibit the execution of the laws, they constitute a form of rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/07/us/trump-national-guard-deploy-rare.html

This is no a rebellion....nor "a form of rebellion."
Nor an invasion.

It is a "show" of force designed to thrill the MAGA faithful.

The National Guard arrived this morning to quiet streets.....so far.

What would you say is the term for when parts of a screaming mob start throwing objects at federal agents?

essentialsaltes · Jun 8, 2025

Landon Caeli said:
What would you say is the term for when parts of a screaming mob start throwing objects at federal agents?

A riot.

wing2000 · Jun 8, 2025

Yes, "riot" would fit.

"a violent disturbance of the peace by a crowd."

Landon Caeli · Jun 8, 2025

ICE doesn't have riot police. Federal agents relying on local police to protect them seems like an undue burden being placed on localities, for federal missions.

Maybe the federal government needs to ensure the safety on their own federal agents? Thus the reason for the national guard?

essentialsaltes · Jun 8, 2025

Landon Caeli said:
Federal agents relying on local police to protect them seems like an undue burden being placed on localities

It's the job of the police to keep the peace in their jurisdiction.

If the scope of the problem is so large that local police cannot keep the peace, that's when the mayor or governor calls in the national guard.

Los Angeles is nowhere near that.

wing2000 · Jun 8, 2025

Note: By the POTUS federalizing the National Guard, those troops are now subject to the same restraints as active duty soldiers. They have no authority to perform crowd control unless the POTUS invokes the insurrection act (which he has not). OTH, the the Governor had call out the guard under state authority, they would be authorized to perform such acitvities.

....I expect we'll see CA filing lawsuits this week.

bèlla · Jun 8, 2025

wing2000 said:
This is no a rebellion....nor "a form of rebellion."
Nor an invasion.

It is a "show" of force designed to thrill the MAGA faithful.

I’m inclined to let it play out for greater purposes. Government overreach isn’t new but deploying the national guard at whim can point to future intentions hence my position. And we’ve seen this before. Trump had a standoff with Mayor Lightfoot in Chicago when he threatened the same. Things were out of control and he was right to send them and the police were overwhelmed. Bear in mind, most forces are smaller now. Many officers retired or quit. You can’t allow things to escalate anymore.

I’m not saying it was the right call but we don’t have the manpower. Look at what happened in LA with the illegal concert. They destroyed the neighborhood with graffiti and even tagged a train with people on it and a police car too with an officer inside. That’s another level of crazy. We could have never done the same.

~bella

wing2000 · Jun 8, 2025

bèlla said:
I’m inclined to let it play out for greater purposes. Government overreach isn’t new but deploying the national guard at whim can point to future intentions hence my position. And we’ve seen this before. Trump had a standoff with Mayor Lightfoot in Chicago when he threatened the same. Things were out of control and he was right to send them and the police were overwhelmed. Bear in mind, most forces are smaller now. Many officers retired or quit. You can’t allow things to escalate anymore.

I’m not saying it was the right call but we don’t have the manpower. Look at what happened in LA with the illegal concert. They destroyed the neighborhood with graffiti and even tagged a train with people on it and a police car too with an officer inside. That’s another level of crazy. We could have never done the same.

~bella

I'm inclined to call out the intentions of the Trump Administration who is just looking for an excuse to use the military to have their way. Today, it's immigration protestors. Tomorrow, it could be some one else.
And from the reporting I've seen over the last 72 hours, there is no indication that local law enforcement need additional assisatance. Trump saw an opportunity...and jump on it.

ozso · Jun 8, 2025

wing2000 said:
Steven Miller will gladly fufill your wishes.

I'd prefer it if people didn't flip out.

wing2000 said:
Yesterday, Miller and the president were suggesting this was an "insurrection"....

Here is what the law says (that Trump invoked):

Governors almost always control the deployment of National Guard troops in their states. But the directive signed by Mr. Trump cites ”10 U.S.C. 12406,” referring to a specific provision within Title 10 of the U.S. Code on Armed Services. Part of that provision allows the federal deployment of National Guard forces if “there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States.”

It also states that the president may call into federal service “members and units of the National Guard of any State in such numbers as he considers necessary to repel the invasion, suppress the rebellion, or execute those laws.”

Mr. Trump’s directive said, “To the extent that protests or acts of violence directly inhibit the execution of the laws, they constitute a form of rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/07/us/trump-national-guard-deploy-rare.html

This is no a rebellion....nor "a form of rebellion."
Nor an invasion.

It is a "show" of force designed to thrill the MAGA faithful.

The National Guard arrived this morning to quiet streets.....so far.

Actually it's a rebellion against law enforcement dealing with an invasion.

bèlla · Jun 8, 2025

wing2000 said:
I'm inclined to call out the intentions of the Trump Administration who is just looking for an excuse to use the military to have their way. Today, it's immigration protestors. Tomorrow, it could be some one else.
And from the reporting I've seen over the last 72 hours, there is no indication that local law enforcement need additional assisatance. Trump saw an opportunity...and jump on it.

That’s why I’m paying attention. I don’t think it’s an isolated affair and want to see how far he goes. We can debate the morality of illegals being the guinea pig. But they don’t belong here anyway and that’s a lose/lose pursuit. If the intended target are citizens in the long run I’d rather be prepared.

~bella

NxNW · Jun 8, 2025

Some scenes from Trump 2: The Sequel

Wait, I thought Trump was going to end bring about peace and prosperity.

NxNW · Jun 9, 2025

Let's not forget the reporter being deliberately shot in the back.

ozso · Jun 9, 2025

NxNW said:
Some scenes from Trump 2: The Sequel
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Wait, I thought Trump was going to end bring about peace and prosperity.

And a certain party of Americans are determined to have the opposite of that. Another summer of them rioting.

ozso · Jun 9, 2025

I should say Americans and illegal aliens rioting together. Waving the flag of another country, while setting the American flag on fire. That's about as anti-America as it gets.

BCP1928 · Jun 9, 2025

ozso said:
I should say Americans and illegal aliens rioting together. Waving the flag of another country, while setting the American flag on fire. That's about as anti-America as it gets.

All I saw was Mexican flags being waved in territory Mexico used to own. Los Angeles itself was incorporated in 1781.

But waving the flag of the former government for political protest purposes is a very American thing to do. I live in NC and people around here do that all the time.

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