All God wanted from the Apostles were saved, or did He want more?

GoldenKingGaze · May 16, 2025

David Lamb said:
The laying on of hands was an outward sign. Moses, and other godly men including the apostles, did not impart the spiritual gifts; God did.

Yes, they were vessels of God, His Spirit and a revelation of God. They could imparts God's gifts and prophesy, and encourage... Moses appointed judges, God accepted them.

David Lamb · May 16, 2025

GoldenKingGaze said:
Yes, they were vessels of God, His Spirit and a revelation of God. They could imparts God's gifts and prophesy, and encourage... Moses appointed judges, God accepted them.

I believe that God did the imparting. After all, Paul, himself an apostle, wrote:

“And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ,” (Eph 4:11-12 NKJV)

He didn't write: “And we ourselves gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers." No, God imparted the gifts.

GoldenKingGaze · May 16, 2025

David Lamb said:
I believe that God did the imparting. After all, Paul, himself an apostle, wrote:

“And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ,” (Eph 4:11-12 NKJV)

He didn't write: “And we ourselves gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers." No, God imparted the gifts.

God designed us from before conception to be fulfil roles. Timothy, I am sure he received grace and truth via Paul the apostle. Paul like a pipe to others. And scripture says we can save each other, common sense behind that is using God's power and obeying Him. Matthew 18:14-15 NLT
14In the same way, it is not my heavenly Father’s will that even one of these little ones should perish.

Correcting Another Believer

15“If another believerd sins against you,e go privately and point out the offense. If the other person listens and confesses it, you have won that person back.

God wants each Roman child... man power can win people.

And verse 19:
19“I also tell you this: If two of you agree here on earth concerning anything you ask, my Father in heaven will do it for you.

David Lamb · May 16, 2025

GoldenKingGaze said:
God designed us from before conception to be fulfil roles. Timothy, I am sure he received grace and truth via Paul the apostle. Paul like a pipe to others. And scripture says we can save each other,

Scripture doesn't say that we can save each other. It says that Jesus Christ is the only Saviour:

“"Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."” (Ac 4:12 NKJV)

The verses you mention are concerned with correcting a fellow Christian (so someone who is already saved) who has sinned:

“"Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.” (Mt 18:15 NKJV)

GoldenKingGaze said:
common sense behind that is using God's power and obeying Him. Matthew 18:14-15 NLT
14In the same way, it is not my heavenly Father’s will that even one of these little ones should perish.

Correcting Another Believer

15“If another believerd sins against you,e go privately and point out the offense. If the other person listens and confesses it, you have won that person back.

God wants each Roman child... man power can win people.

And verse 19:
19“I also tell you this: If two of you agree here on earth concerning anything you ask, my Father in heaven will do it for you.

None of that means that the apostles actually imparted gifts of prophecy, apostleship, etc. to other Christians. God alone does that.

GoldenKingGaze · May 16, 2025

David Lamb said:
Scripture doesn't say that we can save each other. It says that Jesus Christ is the only Saviour:

“"Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."” (Ac 4:12 NKJV)

The verses you mention are concerned with correcting a fellow Christian (so someone who is already saved) who has sinned:

“"Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.” (Mt 18:15 NKJV)

None of that means that the apostles actually imparted gifts of prophecy, apostleship, etc. to other Christians. God alone does that.

God is the only source of grace, but He invests in us, healing gifts, the ability to say what He says (prophecy), He gives us strength and wit that becomes our personality. We can win people, and by God's power. Paul used the term "spiritual treasures in clay pots". 2 Corinthians 4:7

David Lamb · May 16, 2025

GoldenKingGaze said:
God is the only source of grace, but He invests in us, healing gifts, the ability to say what He says (prophecy), He gives us strength and wit that becomes our personality. We can win people, and by God's power. Paul used the term "spiritual treasures in clay pots". 2 Corinthians 4:7

Yes, it's all by God's power. I think we are in agreement on that.

GoldenKingGaze · May 17, 2025

Also, it is vital to give glory to God, and when asking for prayer, not to look to the man or woman for the graces, but to God.

BBAS 64 · Jun 3, 2025

Good day, GKG

God (Trinity) saves all He intend to save though the instrumental means of the Gospel.

The Trinity's Work in Salvation

Which persons of the Trinity are involved in our salvation?

thirdmill.org

In Him

Bill

GoldenKingGaze · Jun 3, 2025

BBAS 64 said:
Good day, GKG

God (Trinity) saves all He intend to save though the instrumental means of the Gospel.

The Trinity's Work in Salvation

Which persons of the Trinity are involved in our salvation?

thirdmill.org

In Him

Bill

Some are saved without hearing or responding to the Gospel, as I mention from time to time, little ones and very kind and gentle people, perhaps vegetarians. Remember 1 Timothy 4:10 and those who live by their consciences, some who never heard of YHWH. Like Confucians.

I think God wants each soul's salvation, mainly looking at ordinary people and not Hitler and co.

On the cross, Jesus took all sin, in Gethsemane, He saw all of us not a faceless crowd.

Romans 8:34, John 3:16, Loving all the world and interceding for us, there is none He predestines to Hell. That idea began in Augustine bishop of Hippo's works. Look at NDEs and children, they see the light, unless corrupted but that is far fetched. Something happens as we grow older that changes our destiny. So if we become law breakers, there is Moses' law and the church to save us, with a warning and grace. Pharaoh listening to Moses lost his child heart and hardened his heart to grace. He would have been better off if he died young.

David Lamb · Jun 4, 2025

GoldenKingGaze said:
Some are saved without hearing or responding to the Gospel, as I mention from time to time, little ones and very kind and gentle people, perhaps vegetarians.

Nowhere in God's word are we told that little ones, very kind and gentle people, or vegetarians are saved because they are little, kind and gentle, or vegetarian. Indeed it says we need to be "in Christ" to be saved:

“For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.” (1Co 15:21-22 NKJV)

By nature, we are all "in Adam", including little ones, kind and gentle people and vegetarians. All who are "in Christ" are given that saving life, eternal life.

GoldenKingGaze · Jun 4, 2025

David Lamb said:
Nowhere in God's word are we told that little ones, very kind and gentle people, or vegetarians are saved because they are little, kind and gentle, or vegetarian. Indeed it says we need to be "in Christ" to be saved:

“For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.” (1Co 15:21-22 NKJV)

By nature, we are all "in Adam", including little ones, kind and gentle people and vegetarians. All who are "in Christ" are given that saving life, eternal life.

All that gain life do by Christ, but not all are Biblical people. Children can't be Biblical and they are not condemned for it. Condemnation is earned and salvation from that takes Christ. For children salvation is automatic, they go into His light. Jesus said He wanted childlike trust in the Gospel.

We can have salvation after we die, and yet, guardian angels and Jesus are at work even in dark corners of Africa while in the flesh.

I mention child at heart vegetarians since whether Jews or English... some people draw back from the Biblical violence, even the cross. But at heart something of that pleases Jesus.

Some Christians in their time of NDE find they are actually lost, but surely sinners and law breakers sometimes need to be refined by God's fire to become clean. They need stronger salvation and love, but their church may only offer catechism. Some Catholic priests have died and gone to Hell, one such Got a second chance and learned he was preaching for himself before his NDE.

1 Timothy 4:10 shows salvation beyond the knowledge of Jesus in this life, worked by God.

David Lamb · Jun 5, 2025

GoldenKingGaze said:
All that gain life do by Christ, but not all are Biblical people. Children can't be Biblical and they are not condemned for it. Condemnation is earned and salvation from that takes Christ. For children salvation is automatic, they go into His light. Jesus said He wanted childlike trust in the Gospel.

Automatic salvation for children is an assumption, in my view. Yes, Jesus said that whatever age we are, our trust must be child-like. But that doesn't mean that all children are automatically saved. What age does a child have to reach, in your view, for his/her salvation not to be automatic?

GoldenKingGaze said:
We can have salvation after we die, and yet, guardian angels and Jesus are at work even in dark corners of Africa while in the flesh.

Where does the bible say that we can be saved after we die?

GoldenKingGaze said:
I mention child at heart vegetarians since whether Jews or English... some people draw back from the Biblical violence, even the cross. But at heart something of that pleases Jesus.

I really don't know where the bible says that vegetarianism pleases Jesus.

GoldenKingGaze said:
Some Christians in their time of NDE find they are actually lost,

If they are truly Christians, how can they be lost?

GoldenKingGaze said:
but surely sinners and law breakers sometimes need to be refined by God's fire to become clean. They need stronger salvation and love, but their church may only offer catechism. Some Catholic priests have died and gone to Hell, one such Got a second chance and learned he was preaching for himself before his NDE.

1 Timothy 4:10 shows salvation beyond the knowledge of Jesus in this life, worked by God.

1 Timothy 4:10 doesn't say anything about salvation being beyond the knowledge of Jesus in this life.

GoldenKingGaze · Jun 6, 2025

David Lamb said:
Automatic salvation for children is an assumption, in my view. Yes, Jesus said that whatever age we are, our trust must be child-like. But that doesn't mean that all children are automatically saved. What age does a child have to reach, in your view, for his/her salvation not to be automatic?

Where does the bible say that we can be saved after we die?

I really don't know where the bible says that vegetarianism pleases Jesus.

If they are truly Christians, how can they be lost?

1 Timothy 4:10 doesn't say anything about salvation being beyond the knowledge of Jesus in this life.

I really do think children are automatically saved, unless corrupted, learning to misuse graces, to hate them, persons or God. NDE accounts speak of entering the light of life, even for people of other religions, who are youths or children. But in some of those religions they learn to do adverse things in mature age, ending the seeing the light experience, so no longer forthcoming.

Learning to hold a grudge and not let go in the love of God is another reason one may not see the light. Or if they hold onto an idol first.

I can only think of people sleeping in their graves and being raised to life in regards to the Bible on salvation after we die. Another scripture says, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. And King David sang of the good of testimonies, sure testimonies. Psalm 119:24,31,129.

Looking at fallen Adam and Eve, they died physically, and went to Paradise? God remained with them and covered them with skins, but there is no account of repentances.

In the story of the rich man and Lazarus, the rich man relented, had no salvation, until Christ died, preached in gloomy dungeons and rose from the dead. When persons are set free, He gifts them. 1 Peter 3:18-20 and 1 Peter 4:6 and Ephesians 4:8.

Romans 8 speaks of love nothing can separate us from, "nor depth". Jesus died for the whole world, not only of His day and days after.

Unfortunately Israel's neighbours were God hating, and Israel hated them. But afar off there was Buddha and benevolent people, with no chance to hear of YHWH until after they died.

I think all zygotes, embryos, fetuses and small children who die, are saved straight away after they die. Returned to sender. God determines this, Satan has no power to resist. We all have guardian angels.

Some people would listen to the prophets and turn, but only had their conscience to reason in. Some conscientious see the blood sacrifice system, the wars, the destruction of whole peoples like Canaanites, and cannot bear it, and they can't read Lamentations either. They feel, they are empathetic, and compassionate, fair, and cannot accept the OT. These qualities are more in the NT and are the best qualities God loves. This extends to animals and they prefer to be vegetarian.

Some people like Jesus but not any of His disciples. They're too noble.

We have aunts and uncles in Heaven, who never learned to talk on Earth... but they can intercede for us at any time.

Christians testify to going into Hell in NDEs, for preaching, but selfishly. They had religion without love, only creeds and church attendance. If we are born again, we must continue in it to obtain life, love graces, fruit of the Spirit and our friends and even adversaries.

1 Timothy 4:10 speaks of "especially those who believe" meaning also those who do not. They can be saved, with no one to help them in this life on Earth. Romans 2:15.

Jesus draws all men unto Himself by the cross, but some people, even Jews, can't bear the idea empathetically. Speaking of men, also refers to women, and women often dislike gore and aggression.

Some Christians draw back from grace, Holy Spirit phenomena. They are embarrassed to roar.

David Lamb · Jun 6, 2025

GoldenKingGaze said:
I really do think children are automatically saved, unless corrupted, learning to misuse graces, to hate them, persons or God. NDE accounts speak of entering the light of life, even for people of other religions, who are youths or children. But in some of those religions they learn to do adverse things in mature age, ending the seeing the light experience, so no longer forthcoming.

Learning to hold a grudge and not let go in the love of God is another reason one may not see the light. Or if they hold onto an idol first.

I can only think of people sleeping in their graves and being raised to life in regards to the Bible on salvation after we die. Another scripture says, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. And King David sang of the good of testimonies, sure testimonies.

Looking at fallen Adam and Eve, they died physically, and went to Paradise? God remained with them and covered them with skins, but there is no account of repentances.

In the story of the rich man and Lazarus, the rich man relented, had no salvation, until Christ died, preached in gloomy dungeons and rose from the dead. When persons are set free, He gifts them. 1 Peter 3:19 and Ephesians 4:8.

Romans 8 speaks of love nothing can separate us from, "nor depth". Jesus died for the whole world, not only of His day and days after.

Unfortunately Israel's neighbours were God hating, and Israel hated them. But afar off there was Buddha and benevolent people, with no chance to hear of YHWH until after they died.

I think all zygotes, embryos, fetuses and small children who die, are saved straight away after they die. Returned to sender. God determines this, Satan has no power to resist. We all have guardian angels.

Some people would listen to the prophets and turn, but only had their conscience to reason in. Some conscientious see the blood sacrifice system, the wars, the destruction of whole peoples like Canaanites, and cannot bear it, and they can't read Lamentations either. They feel, they are empathetic, and compassionate, fair, and cannot accept the OT. These qualities are more in the NT and are the best qualities God loves. This extends to animals and they prefer to be vegetarian.

We have aunts and uncles in Heaven, who never learned to talk on Earth... but they can intercede for us at any time.

Christians testify to going into Hell in NDEs, for preaching, but selfishly. They had religion without love, only creeds and church attendance. If we are born again, we must continue in it to obtain life, love graces, fruit of the Spirit and our friends and even adversaries.

1 Timothy 4:10 speaks of "especially those who believe" meaning also those who do not. They can be saved, with no one to help them in this life on Earth. Romans 2:15.

Jesus draws all men unto Himself by the cross, but some people, even Jews, can't bear the idea empathetically. Speaking of men, also refers to women, and women often dislike gore and aggression.

Some Christians draw back from grace, Holy Spirit phenomena. They are embarrassed to roar.

I am sorry, but to me, your posts seem to rely far too much on things that are not in the bible. I will just give one example from your post here. You wrote: "We have aunts and uncles in Heaven, who never learned to talk on Earth... but they can intercede for us at any time." The bible says:

“Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.” (Heb 7:25 NKJV)

It says nothing about aunts, uncles or anybody else in heaven interceding for us.

GoldenKingGaze · Jun 6, 2025

David Lamb said:
I am sorry, but to me, your posts seem to rely far too much on things that are not in the bible. I will just give one example from your post here. You wrote: "We have aunts and uncles in Heaven, who never learned to talk on Earth... but they can intercede for us at any time." The bible says:

“Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.” (Heb 7:25 NKJV)

It says nothing about aunts, uncles or anybody else in heaven interceding for us.

Abraham would have made many intercessions, God does it, it is right. Righteous men intercede, Moses interceded in the Exodus and saved the people, and appeared after death with Elijah to Jesus.

I can make seven Bible quotes
Ecclesiastes 9:3-5, it does not follow that where there is no more breathe there is no hope.
Romans 2:15
1 Timothy 4:10
1 Peter 3:18-20
1 Peter 4:6
Ephesians 4:8
Psalm 119:24,31,129

David Lamb · Jun 6, 2025

GoldenKingGaze said:
Abraham would have made many intercessions, God does it, it is right. Righteous men intercede, Moses interceded in the Exodus and saved the people, and appeared after death with Elijah to Jesus.

I can make seven Bible quotes
Ecclesiastes 9:3-5, it does not follow that where there is no more breathe there is no hope.
Romans 2:15
1 Timothy 4:10
1 Peter 3:18-20
1 Peter 4:6
Ephesians 4:8
Psalm 119:24,31,129

Yes, Abraham interceded, but we don't read in the bible of him interceding after death. I agree that Moses appeared with Elijah, but neither of them interceded. They spoke with Jesus:

“And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.” (Mt 17:3 NKJV)

Romans 2:15 says:

“who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)” (Ro 2:15 NKJV)

Nothing there about being saved after death or interceding after death.

1 Timothy 4:10:

“For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe.” (1Ti 4:10 NKJV)

Again, nothing about being saved after death or interceding after death.

1 Peter 3:18-20:

“For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while [the] ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.” (1Pe 3:18-20 NKJV)

I know some people believe that by "spirits in prison" it means spirits of dead people in hell, but that wouldn't make sense in view of what Jesus said in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, about there being no way for people in hell to get out.

1 Peter 4:6:

“For this reason the gospel was preached also to those who are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.” (1Pe 4:6 NKJV)

That cannot mean those who are physically dead - they have already been judged.

Ephesians 4:8:

“Therefore He says: "When He ascended on high, He led captivity captive, And gave gifts to men."” (Eph 4:8 NKJV)

Again, nothing about being saved after death or interceding after death.

Finally, Psalm 119:24, 31 & 129:

“Your testimonies also [are] my delight [And] my counselors.” (Ps 119:24 NKJV)

“I cling to Your testimonies; O LORD, do not put me to shame!” (Ps 119:31 NKJV)

“Your testimonies are wonderful; Therefore my soul keeps them.” (Ps 119:129 NKJV)

Again, nothing about being saved after death or interceding after death.

GoldenKingGaze · Jun 6, 2025

David Lamb said:
Yes, Abraham interceded, but we don't read in the bible of him interceding after death. I agree that Moses appeared with Elijah, but neither of them interceded. They spoke with Jesus:

“And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.” (Mt 17:3 NKJV)

Romans 2:15 says:

“who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)” (Ro 2:15 NKJV)

Nothing there about being saved after death or interceding after death.

1 Timothy 4:10:

“For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe.” (1Ti 4:10 NKJV)

Again, nothing about being saved after death or interceding after death.

1 Peter 3:18-20:

“For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while [the] ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.” (1Pe 3:18-20 NKJV)

I know some people believe that by "spirits in prison" it means spirits of dead people in hell, but that wouldn't make sense in view of what Jesus said in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, about there being no way for people in hell to get out.

1 Peter 4:6:

“For this reason the gospel was preached also to those who are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.” (1Pe 4:6 NKJV)

That cannot mean those who are physically dead - they have already been judged.

Ephesians 4:8:

“Therefore He says: "When He ascended on high, He led captivity captive, And gave gifts to men."” (Eph 4:8 NKJV)

Again, nothing about being saved after death or interceding after death.

Finally, Psalm 119:24, 31 & 129:

“Your testimonies also [are] my delight [And] my counselors.” (Ps 119:24 NKJV)

“I cling to Your testimonies; O LORD, do not put me to shame!” (Ps 119:31 NKJV)

“Your testimonies are wonderful; Therefore my soul keeps them.” (Ps 119:129 NKJV)

Again, nothing about being saved after death or interceding after death.

Abraham and Moses, would intercede in life and continued to live spiritually after death, where they serve others even more.

Romans 2:15 about non believers and 1 Timothy 4:10 also covers non believers means they have a chance at life, without hearing the Gospel and live and find truth after death.

The two 1 Peter quotes and Ephesians are about those who once were in Hell, Jesus made a way out for them. Once the blood of Jesus and the power of the resurrection were, there was a new pass from judgement and condemnation to life. They came from death to life, from captivity to being gifted. And went up with Jesus, there is a way out, at least now in the NT since Christ worked. People can escape death now more than before.

Christ ascended on high before Pentecost and after sent the Spirit on Pentecost Sunday. Then those on Earth were gifted.

Testimonies of Pentecost and now resuscitated patients are valuable. Testimonies are good things by David.

I am not happy with parts of St Augustine's works. Allegorical Bible interpretations, predestiny, errors in the Paschal mystery, and his acceptance in his day and after, even that Martin Luther was an Augustinian is a poor show.

David Lamb · Jun 6, 2025

GoldenKingGaze said:
Abraham and Moses, would intercede in life and continued to live spiritually after death, where they serve others even more.

Where do we find in the bible the slightest indication that Abraham and Moses would intercede for others after they had died?

GoldenKingGaze said:
Romans 2:15 about non believers and 1 Timothy 4:10 also covers non believers means they have a chance at life, without hearing the Gospel and live and find truth after death.

But the verses don't teach that there is a post-death chance to believe on the Saviour and be saved.

GoldenKingGaze said:
The two 1 Peter quotes and Ephesians are about those who once were in Hell, Jesus made a way out for them.

No. The bible teaches that hell is eternal, and there is no "way out."

GoldenKingGaze said:
Once the blood of Jesus and the power of the resurrection were, there was a new pass from judgement and condemnation to life. They came from death to life, from captivity to being gifted. And went up with Jesus, there is a way out, at least now in the NT since Christ worked. People can escape death now more than before.

Christ ascended on high before Pentecost and after sent the Spirit on Pentecost Sunday. Then those on Earth were gifted.

Testimonies of Pentecost and now resuscitated patients are valuable. Testimonies are good things by David.

I am not happy with parts of St Augustine's works. Allegorical Bible interpretations, predestiny, errors in the Paschal mystery, and his acceptance in his day and after, even that Martin Luther was an Augustinian is a poor show.

Not sure what your comments about Augustine, Pentecost, and what you call the "Paschal mystery" have to do with what we are discussing - sorry.

BBAS 64 · Jun 6, 2025

GoldenKingGaze said:
Romans 8:29 was written first and as a basis. Key word there is "foreknew". God showed the Ephesians mercy and grace and they could do noth much unless they heard the Gospel.

Good day,

Not so sure I agree it is the Keyword but the grammatical use (function) of the word as a verb along with the others in the whole of the written thought.

Lets look at the meaning then break down the implication of how the word functions among the whole.

Thayer Definition:
1) to have knowledge before hand
2) to foreknow
2a) of those whom God elected to salvation
3) to predestinate
Part of Speech: verb

How many verbs do you see here? Who / what is preforming the actions of the verbs?

Rom 8:29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

In Him,

Bill

FutureAndAHope · Jun 8, 2025

GoldenKingGaze said:
I mean to ask if God wanted more salvations from the apostles than they actually reaped into the kingdom?

What you will find, especially if you talk to people from nations where the gospel is restricted today, is that God uses whatever method he can to save. Often through dreams and visions. In Iran for example, people speak of having Jesus physically turn up in their rooms. Apparently, this has happened to many. Our church has an Iranian population that has reported this. I have also read books that report the same. If the apostles fell short, God would make up the shortfall. God is both faithful, and just, not just to us, but to all. He will not leave people without a witness. This does not mean we should put our feet up, our neighbors need Christ. But it shows God is able.

All God wanted from the Apostles were saved, or did He want more?

God obtained the salvation of everyone He wanted through the apostles?

Yes

No

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