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ICE raids Italian restaurant in San Diego; deploys flash bang grenades to disperse the gathered crowd

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Good to see ICE is still going strong. How to keep from being raided by ICE? Not employing or harboring illegal aliens is a pretty simple solution to that.
Agreed. Want to come to America? Be here legally. Period.
 
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Agreed. Want to come to America? Be here legally. Period.
That's the message that ICE is trying to send. If you suspect that an employee of a local restaurant is illegal, an upscale restaurant in an upscale neighborhood, and for some reason you want to arrest him at one of the restaurant's busiest times, how to you go about it? Ask a cop. I doubt very much that he would advise having two dozen men in combat gear storm the place as the safest and most efficient method. Don't forget your flash-bangs, though, that's too good a piece of theater to waste.
 
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Agreed. Want to come to America? Be here legally. Period.
Did you read the article? I people, that they were looking for wasn't there.And they could have harmed legal people.
 
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Ever heard of a war of words? War doesn't always mean tanks and bombs. At war with can simply mean in opposition, which is the way I was using it.
Ah, seems odd them that instead of saying the Democrats had started a "war of words" you said they "have gone to war" since those are two very different idioms. That said your hyperbole is noted.
 
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Did you read the article? I people, that they were looking for wasn't there.And they could have harmed legal people.
I was responding to the comment.
 
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Did you read the article? I people, that they were looking for wasn't there.And they could have harmed legal people.
They may have already. They picked up two people who couldn't document their citizenship on the spot and nobody knows where they are or if they'll ever be seen again. That's "shock and awe' for sure.
 
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The point is I was using the word "war" figuratively, not literally.
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Fine. Are you finally finished with this protracted annoying off-topic semantics nitpicking? Perhaps next time just simply say "that's hyperbole".
Feel free to add me to ignore. It is not like your incessant whining is adding anything to the conversation. :wave:
 
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Is tipping encouraged in your neck of the woods? ;)
In Germany? Yes, but not to the extent of the USA. For most occassions, 5 % is already an acceptable tip.
 
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Well, that's too bad. ICE could have sent two guys to quietly arrest whoever it was they were looking for, but instead they put on a show for the benefit of people like you and the best you can do is find it "amusing?" :(

Exactly. That would have been the professinonal and safe way to handle it.


The restaurant’s manager, Renato Ametrano, described what happened, saying the ICE officers showed “up with no explanation.” He said there were about 20-25 officers who “surrounded the building and then came inside” pushing him against the wall and handcuffing him.

ICE is not authorized to enter private areas of the restaurant without a warrant. Did they have one?
 
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Huntington Beach being listed as sanctuary city was ‘serious mistake,’ mayor says
A press release issued by the City of Huntington Beach states that the community’s inclusion on the DHS list of more than 500 sanctuary jurisdictions was a “serious mistake” and “does not reflect the city council’s formally adopted policy.”
Just a little update on this sidebar. Sheriffs don't like it.

Noem’s Sanctuary City List Backfires —DHS Forced to Remove It After Law Enforcement Revolt

“The list violated the core principles of trust, cooperation, and partnership with fellow law enforcement,” the National Sheriffs’ Association said. “This decision by DHS could create a vacuum of trust that may take years to overcome.”

“DHS has done a terrible disservice to President Trump and the Sheriffs of this country,” said Sheriff Kieran Donahue of Canyon County, Idaho, president of the association. “The President’s goals to reduce crime, secure the Borders, and make America safer have taken a step backward. The sheriffs of this country feel betrayed.”

Noem, however, doubled down, blaming the cities. “Some of the cities have pushed back,” she said. “They think because they don’t have one law or another on the books that they don’t qualify, but they do qualify. They are giving sanctuary to criminals.”

[But now that statement is inoperable, as the list has been sent to the memory hole.]
 
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Exactly. That would have been the professinonal and safe way to handle it.


The restaurant’s manager, Renato Ametrano, described what happened, saying the ICE officers showed “up with no explanation.” He said there were about 20-25 officers who “surrounded the building and then came inside” pushing him against the wall and handcuffing him.

ICE is not authorized to enter private areas of the restaurant without a warrant. Did they have one?
With the mob scene they had to deal with 20 of them weren't enough. They had to call in for reinforcements. And I think they probably knew what they were in for which is why they started out with such a force to begin with. I doubt this was a situation where they decided to all get together and randomly pick a totally innocent establishment to raid just for kicks. They are civil servants putting their lives at risk to serve their country.
 
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Just a little update on this sidebar. Sheriffs don't like it.

Noem’s Sanctuary City List Backfires —DHS Forced to Remove It After Law Enforcement Revolt

“The list violated the core principles of trust, cooperation, and partnership with fellow law enforcement,” the National Sheriffs’ Association said. “This decision by DHS could create a vacuum of trust that may take years to overcome.”

“DHS has done a terrible disservice to President Trump and the Sheriffs of this country,” said Sheriff Kieran Donahue of Canyon County, Idaho, president of the association. “The President’s goals to reduce crime, secure the Borders, and make America safer have taken a step backward. The sheriffs of this country feel betrayed.”

Noem, however, doubled down, blaming the cities. “Some of the cities have pushed back,” she said. “They think because they don’t have one law or another on the books that they don’t qualify, but they do qualify. They are giving sanctuary to criminals.”

[But now that statement is inoperable, as the list has been sent to the memory hole.]
Sounds like they don't like being called out for harboring criminals. No surprise there.
 
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ICE raids South Park’s Buona Forchetta, draws angry crowd outside popular restaurant

Usually Buona Forchetta has customers waiting out front, lined up to enter the popular Beech Street restaurant.

Instead, after an hour-and-15 minute operation by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the jittery crowd wasn’t waiting for Italian food.

On the street, on the sidewalks, large and small groups talked about what had just happened. It was a crowd of curious, mad, disappointed people joined by television crews with cameras.

Both the main restaurant and their smaller place next door were raided and witnesses said when the contingent of officers attempted to remove two employees, they encountered a hostile response.

How hostile? ICE officers tossed two flash bangs to back the crowd off. Black remnants of the bangs remained visible on the pavement outside the restaurant.

[The manager] said there were about 20-25 officers who “surrounded the building and then came inside” pushing him against the wall and handcuffing him. [and other employees as they checked ID. The two arrested had no ID, per the manager.]
America is becoming the mini series ‘V’ off of the 80s.
 
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Agreed. Want to come to America? Be here legally. Period.

There were numerous reports of illegals being employed by well known companies like Disney and Trump was included. I recall a similar report involving a meat plant during the lockdown. I don’t remember if it was Tyson on Smithfield. But they showed them in the plant working overnight and mentioned their wages. This isn’t a new phenomenon and businesses have gotten away with it for years as have private employers. A lot of housekeepers and nannies are the same which came out during the Nannygate scandal.

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There were numerous reports of illegals being employed by well known companies like Disney and Trump was included. I recall a similar report involving a meat plant during the lockdown. I don’t remember if it was Tyson on Smithfield. But they showed them in the plant working overnight and mentioned their wages. This isn’t a new phenomenon and businesses have gotten away with it for years as have private employers. A lot of housekeepers and nannies are the same which came out during the Nannygate scandal.

~bella
But ICE won't be raiding Tyson Foods. Friday night in a popular restaurant in an upscale neighborhood is much better. That battle gear really stands out.
 
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With the mob scene they had to deal with 20 of them weren't enough. They had to call in for reinforcements. And I think they probably knew what they were in for which is why they started out with such a force to begin with. I doubt this was a situation where they decided to all get together and randomly pick a totally innocent establishment to raid just for kicks. They are civil servants putting their lives at risk to serve their country.
That wouldn't surprise me any.

....sure, let's hand out bravery medals to the "civil servants putting their lives at risk" while attacking the integrity local law enforcement....because they happen to be in California.

Look, the "mob scene" you describe would have never developed had ICE carried out the operation in a professional manner, which includes coordinating with local law enforcement.
 
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