The Return of My Ex Nihilo Challenge

Kylie said:

Perhaps, but what about from an outside perspective? If we have an atom that has electrons with a negative charge and protons with a positive charge, they can be in balance, and the atom has an overall neutral charge. The atom behaves electrically neutrally.

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notyourenemy said:

Right. The atom is electrically neutral, but the atom is still *there*. The electrons and protons cancel each other's charge, but they don't negate each other's *existence*.

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Kylie said:

I think you missed my point.

To an outside observer, the atom has no overall charge.

L:ikewise, to an outside observer of our universe, there is zero energy.

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AV1611VET said:

It is Day One of the Creation Week and God creates Earth ex nihilo (from nothing) by speaking it into existence.

Heretofore the level of mass/energy in the physical universe is zero; since the physical universe didn't exist yet.

Afterwards, the level of mass/energy in the physical universe is now equal to the earth.

Here's my question:

What physical evidence would convince you this happened?

I submit there isn't any.

What say you?

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notyourenemy said:

An outside observer can still see that the atom is there.

*My* point is that the atom....or the universe....having no electrical charge doesn't suggest anything ex nihilo.

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Kylie said:

Where do you think I said it did?

I'm not in AV's camp here.

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notyourenemy said:

Could you clarify for me what camp you're in, in case I'm misunderstanding?

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