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DEI- A Contrast to What God Wants?

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DEI, also known as Diversity, Equity and Inclusion. Some people cringe at the mention of it. To some, it means giving up some of the things they have in order to accommodate others. To others it is a fear of being left out. And those without a love of God are afraid of the changes they believe DEI would make in their lives. Many of them listen to those who have no love of God, who unilaterally take courses of action to cleanse it out of existence, fearing it would interfere with plans that look to be made by and for one person alone, in the interests of self-preservation of his own authority. And there are others who willingly and unwillingly twist DEI out of shape, giving it a false impression particularly among those who are most susceptible to accepting things without questioning them.

What is Diversity, Equity and Inclusion? Break it down. Diversity refers to all people regardless of any earthly distinctions made by man. Equity refers to judging all such people on the basis of one set of values and one degree of enforcement within one jurisdiction whom such people are subject to.

Inclusion involves not leaving people out. Of the three things that make up DEI, this one is probably the hardest and most troublesome to live by. If a dwelling or a college only has room for a thousand people, and more than a thousand people apply, How do you include them? If there are ‘no vacancies,’ how can they be included? Inclusion is the most difficult to fulfill where the obstacles and boundaries are ‘obvious.’ So what is the answer?

What would God say? The Bible has answers. The answers may not address DEI directly, but that’s because DEI is a part of something that is bigger than itself. The answers to mankind’s problems that are found in the Bible, also apply to DEI.

How does the Bible apply to something like inclusion? Jesus in John 13:34 says “A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.” That also happens to be one of the two commandments that Jesus says sums up the Law and the prophets in Verses such Matthew 22:37–40.

One may ask, ‘How would your love include a person when there is no vacancy?’ One way is to help the person find room where there is a vacancy. If this is an undertaking that goes beyond a person’s ability, the answer is to look to those who can find or structure an environment that can fit those who would otherwise be left out. Thie can be done, for example, by the private sector who can create employment, and by the public sector who through zoning and other laws can facilitate places to live. It can be done by electing leaders who are interested in growth in the community and in the local economy. It can be done by electing leaders whose visions of growth extend to the whole state or to the nation.

The commandment that you love others as you love yourself applies to everyone. It may not always be practical to do so, depending on the circumstances, but it is the goal, the vision and mission to keep in mind. When the opportunity arises to make a difference, it is a good time to step forward. Love knows no boundaries, except when people who don’t love are intent on creating boundaries.
 

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Talent isn’t equitable or inclusive. The best person for the job is the one who possesses the skills you seek and a comparable fit for the culture. That isn’t determined by race, gender, sexuality or the rest. It‘s determined by your qualifications. You have them or you don’t. It’s not about giving people a chance that’s why training and developmental programs exist. Where they judge you by your potential not the other. When you’re hired for a job you’re expected to perform and meet a standard and if you can’t do it you shouldn’t have the job.

Businesses aren‘t charities. They exist to meet a need and make a profit. If you want to implement that principle you have to create an entity to do so or partner with someone who has. You can‘t force that on others and he was right to reverse it. Meritocracy is a must if you want democracy and competition is part of it.

~bella
 
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Talent isn’t equitable or inclusive. The best person for the job is the one who possesses the skills you seek and a comparable fit for the culture. That isn’t determined by race, gender, sexuality or the rest. It‘s determined by your qualifications. You have them or you don’t. It’s not about giving people a chance that’s why training and developmental programs exist. Where they judge you by your potential not the other. When you’re hired for a job you’re expected to perform and meet a standard and if you can’t do it you shouldn’t have the job.

Talent isn't inclusive, but human dignity is.

And that's the thing... justice demands fairness, not "effectiveness". We insist on universal suffrage, for instance, not because it produces the smoothest running government, but because that's the most equitable way for peoples' dignity to be expressed politically in a republic, at least so far as we can know.
 
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Talent isn't inclusive, but human dignity is.

And that's the thing... justice demands fairness, not "effectiveness". We insist on universal suffrage, for instance, not because it produces the smoothest running government, but because that's the most equitable way for peoples' dignity to be expressed politically in a republic, at least so far as we can know.

We are welcome to apply our morality in the degree we wish. But it isn’t always reflected in the law. Nor can you hold a business to your principles if their practices aren’t illegal. You can vote with your wallet of course and voice your opinion. But they’re not required to listen or change their policies. Doing so is a choice.

And right now DEI isn’t a factor and affirmative action was already challenged beforehand. Which suggests that the country is moving in a different direction on the subject even if some feel otherwise. And the solution is simple. If you want to apply your principles in the workplace you have three choices: build a business, start a charity or raise the issue another way.

It’s easy to say what should occur when you’re on the outside looking in. When you’ve created something that provides a livelihood for others things look different. They’re relying on your prowess to support their families. And if you aren’t carrying that weight or steering an entity that does the same your input is limited.

That’s the problem with this modern age. People have a lot of ideas but they want someone else to do the heavy lifting and tell them how to run it and that’s backwards. Put your ideas in motion and create the thing you believe in as an example to others. But that requires work and typing is easier.

~bella
 
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We are welcome to apply our morality in the degree we wish. But it isn’t always reflected in the law. Nor can you hold a business to your principles if their practices aren’t illegal. You can vote with your wallet of course and voice your opinion. But they’re not required to listen or change their policies. Doing so is a choice.

And right now DEI isn’t a factor and affirmative action was already challenged beforehand. Which suggests that the country is moving in a different direction on the subject even if some feel otherwise. And the solution is simple. If you want to apply your principles in the workplace you have three choices: build a business, start a charity or raise the issue another way.

It’s easy to say what should occur when you’re on the outside looking in. When you’ve created something that provides a livelihood for others things look different. They’re relying on your prowess to support their families. And if you aren’t carrying that weight or steering an entity that does the same your input is limited.

That’s the problem with this modern age. People have a lot of ideas but they want someone else to do the heavy lifting and tell them how to run it and that’s backwards. Put your ideas in motion and create the thing you believe in as an example to others. But that requires work and typing is easier.

~bella

You're over-intellectualizing a very simple reality: putting profits and practicality over people is fundamentally incompatible with Christian ethics rooted in justice.
 
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You're over-intellectualizing a very simple reality: putting profits and practicality over people is fundamentally incompatible with Christian ethics rooted in justice.

It isn’t unchristian to hire the most qualified person for the job or apply the same principle to school, teams and so on. If you want to give opportunities to people who don’t meet that criteria you can. But you can‘t force businesses and institutions to do the same.

Everything runs its course and the tide has turned. That’s danger of promoting ideologies that don’t encourage a good work ethic. Do you think the people struggling to make ends meet would agree with your position? Are they willing to go without to give another a chance? Did you miss the reason MAGA exists and what it’s pointing towards?

This is the end result of pushing narratives and championing everyone else at the expense of the innocent. Now they’re angry, tired and no longer care. You did it to yourselves and have no one to blame.

~bella
 
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OP, you didn't mention race, gender, or religion anywhere. As such, you said something everyone would agree w/ & could label DEI. The problem is, it's all about race, gender, & especially religion.
 
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You're over-intellectualizing a very simple reality: putting profits and practicality over people is fundamentally incompatible with Christian ethics rooted in justice.
Christianity is no longer about ethics. It has been hijacked to support self-centeredness and injustice.
 
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It isn’t unchristian to hire the most qualified person for the job or apply the same principle to school, teams and so on. If you want to give opportunities to people who don’t meet that criteria you can. But you can‘t force businesses and institutions to do the same.

The problem is that human sinfulness often taints our notions of who is, and isn't qualified. People assumed in the past, for instance, that African Americans were never qualified for many jobs.

Everything runs its course and the tide has turned. That’s danger of promoting ideologies that don’t encourage a good work ethic. Do you think the people struggling to make ends meet would agree with your position? Are they willing to go without to give another a chance? Did you miss the reason MAGA exists and what it’s pointing towards?

The idea that only people that have a "good work ethic" deserve our compassion, care, or concern is fundamentally spiritually bankrupt.

The truth is that there is enough wealth in the world to sustain everyone in a reasonable lifestyle. The problem is that it's in the hands of the greedy and powerful who actually do not deserve it. Wealth, in itself, is morally neutral, and greed is a deadly vice that Jesus rejected.
 
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