Trump administration bars Harvard from enrolling international students

wing2000 · May 25, 2025

Valletta said:
The second is the flooding our our country by the Biden administration with millions who were not properly vetted.

International students have been attending American univeristies and colleges since their inception. They come seeking an opportunity to study in some of the premier institutions of learning in the world.

Why does Donald Trump want to attack our insitutions of higher learning?

Belk · May 25, 2025

ralliann said:
Yes it does. see how easy it is?

Your claim, your burden of proof.

Valletta · May 25, 2025

wing2000 said:
International students have been attending American univeristies and colleges since their inception. They come seeking an opportunity to study in some of the premier institutions of learning in the world.

Why does Donald Trump want to attack our insitutions of higher learning?

What President Trump is doing is enforcing the law. Rather than work through the Constitutional legal process to raise immigrant quotas, the Biden administration (and we don't know exactly who really was running the country) decided to violate the border laws and overwhelm part of our country. People have died horrific deaths and even whole cities were destroyed as a result. All the while the Democrats in the administration assured the people the border was safe, secure, and closed. With more than ten million let in under one administration we all can see the depth of the deceit. So too billions of dollars have been pumped into U.S. universities by China and jihadist nations who try to influence our social media and recruit spies. The mainstream media very much covered-up this story, but just like with the border they are being virtually forced to do a bit of reporting:

How China recruits its spies in the U.S.

The largest spy agency in the world is now in China, with the U.S. its second-biggest target. The first? China's own people – including those living abroad in the U.S.

www.cbsnews.com

A federal government should in no way support a university like Harvard that refuses to turn over information on convictions of those who enter our country. It is called aiding an abetting. Likewise Harvard is violating the civil rights of Jews. A once mighty university has fallen.

ThatRobGuy · May 25, 2025

camille70 said:
So you would have been perfectly ok with a dem president pulling accreditation from a school like Liberty University for not supporting abortion or LGBT rights?

With the way the rules currently work, whether a person thinks it's "ok" or "good" is irrelevant.

The rules are what they are.

Such matters are within the purview of the executive branch. If people don't like it, they elect a new person to head up that branch.

This isn't meant as a jab at anyone in particular, just more in general...

I think dialogue around these things would be more honest and productive people would just openly admit that they like it when a government wields power in ways they agree with, but they don't like it when it goes in the other direction and will try to label it as an "overreach"

That's why we, as a nation, tend to end up having arguments about executive orders (who's doing them, and how many) every 4 years.

ThatRobGuy · May 25, 2025

wing2000 said:
To a degree? One example of "going roque" at the university level?

11 Colleges In Danger Of Losing Accreditation In 2025

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There have been a number of colleges who've had accreditation yanked for reasons ranging from outright defrauding students, to financial mismanagement, to sub-par academic/curriculum standards.

And the "threatening" of fund withholding "if you don't do things our way" was a precedent of the Obama administration

Letters to the Editor: Obama's Title IX arm-twisting set a bad precedent for education

Worried about Trump using federal funding as a weapon against universities? The Obama administration did it first with its actions on Title IX.

www.latimes.com

How Obama and Biden paved the way for Trump's attacks on universities

"Universities were bending over for federal funds long before Trump," writes Laura Kipnis.

reason.com

wing2000 · May 25, 2025

ThatRobGuy said:
11 Colleges In Danger Of Losing Accreditation In 2025

Colleges losing accreditation could jeopardize your hard-earned credits and financial aid. Find schools at risk and understand what it means for you.

www.accreditedschoolsonline.org

There have been a number of colleges who've had accreditation yanked for reasons ranging from outright defrauding students, to financial mismanagement, to sub-par academic/curriculum standards.

Sure. But we're not addressing financial mismanagement. I asked:

wing2000 said:
Harvard asserts:

“It is the latest act by the government in clear retaliation for Harvard exercising its First Amendment rights to reject the government’s demands to control Harvard’s governance, curriculum, and the ‘ideology’ of its faculty and students,”

Question: Do you really want the government to dictate a school's currriculum?

ThatRobGuy · May 25, 2025

wing2000 said:
Sure. But we're not addressing financial mismanagement. I asked:

The "threatening" of fund withholding "if you don't do things our way" was a precedent from the Obama administration

Letters to the Editor: Obama's Title IX arm-twisting set a bad precedent for education

Worried about Trump using federal funding as a weapon against universities? The Obama administration did it first with its actions on Title IX.

www.latimes.com

How Obama and Biden paved the way for Trump's attacks on universities

"Universities were bending over for federal funds long before Trump," writes Laura Kipnis.

reason.com

...and I already replied "to a degree" to your other question.

I don't really care what a school wants to teach in their subjective courses like the arts, etc...

However, if there was a school projecting itself as a medical institution, and receiving federal funds, and they were teaching that their students that homeopathy was a valid form of medicine, I'd want them to pull ever letter they could to shoot that stuff down (even if takes the removal of accreditation or funds to make that happen)

Reason being? I wouldn't want to go to a doctor's office 10 years from now and have them prescribing me a vile of water with a statistically negligible trace of arsenic in it.

Beth77 · May 25, 2025

It sounds like Harvard is a cesspool.

DaisyDay · May 26, 2025

Trump is complaining that Harvard's international enrollment is 31% when good Americans can't get in. Is that rumor that this is vengeance for Barron not being admitted actually true? This senseless vendetta would be explained by that.

In other, related, news, China is seeking revoked Harvard students for its own universities.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/hong-kong-urges-universities-facilitate-students-after-harvard-ban-2025-05-26/

7thKeeper · May 26, 2025

DaisyDay said:
Trump is complaining that Harvard's international enrollment is 31% when good Americans can't get in. Is that rumor that this is vengeance for Barron not being admitted actually true? This senseless vendetta would be explained by that.

In other, related, news, China is seeking revoked Harvard students for its own universities.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/hong-kong-urges-universities-facilitate-students-after-harvard-ban-2025-05-26/

EU is also increasing funding to ask more people to join the universities over here and increase research.

FenderTL5 · May 26, 2025

wing2000 said:
International students have been attending American univeristies and colleges since their inception. They come seeking an opportunity to study in some of the premier institutions of learning in the world.

Why does Donald Trump want to attack our insitutions of higher learning?

It would seem that to Trump, the only useful non-Americans are those who invest in his crypto schemes and global resorts or gift him jumbo “palace in the sky” aircraft.

BCP1928 · May 26, 2025

7thKeeper said:
EU is also increasing funding to ask more people to join the universities over here and increase research.

All according to plan. Manufacturing is gone overseas, leaving behind the applied science research that drives innovation. I guess Trump has decided that the efficient thing to do is move the research overseas, too. MAGA!

wing2000 · May 28, 2025

HONG KONG, May 26 (Reuters) - Hong Kong's Education Bureau said that it had called on universities in the Chinese territory to attract top talent following a ban on Harvard University enrolling foreign students.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/hong-kong-urges-universities-facilitate-students-after-harvard-ban-2025-05-26/

{Bravo Trump, drive International talent elsewhere to study!}

Beth77 · May 28, 2025

wing2000 said:
HONG KONG, May 26 (Reuters) - Hong Kong's Education Bureau said that it had called on universities in the Chinese territory to attract top talent following a ban on Harvard University enrolling foreign students.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/hong-kong-urges-universities-facilitate-students-after-harvard-ban-2025-05-26/

{Bravo Trump, drive International talent elsewhere to study!}

Good. They can have your radical leftist comrades.

wing2000 · May 28, 2025

Beth77 said:
Good. They can have your radical leftist comrades.

My radical leftist comrades?

wing2000 · May 28, 2025

International graduate students created a disproportionate number of new business startups in the United States in the past decade. They also increased entrepreneurialism among their U.S.-born peers, according to new research from the University of California, Davis.

“The high quality of U.S. universities attracts the most talented students globally,” said Giovanni Peri, the director of the UC Davis Global Migration Center and professor of economics in the College of Letters and Science. “At the same time, limited options for students to stay in the country after graduation risks losing the talent and potential that our universities have helped to create.”
The research was published as a National Bureau of Economic Research Working Paper last month.

International Students Boost Startup Creation, Lifting Local Jobs and Revenue, New Research Shows

International graduate students created a disproportionate number of new business startups in the United States in the past decade. They also increased entrepreneurialism among their U.S.-born peers, according to new research from the University of California, Davis.

www.ucdavis.edu

Bradskii · May 28, 2025

wing2000 said:
International graduate students created a disproportionate number of new business startups in the United States in the past decade. They also increased entrepreneurialism among their U.S.-born peers, according to new research from the University of California, Davis.

Ah, the good ol' days...

Also, from here: UK University Admissions Toughen After Harvard Visa Ban

'Samuel Chan, Managing Director of Britannia StudyLink, reports a significant rise in interest for applications to the UK’s top universities. “We’ve seen a 70% increase in inquiries about G5 universities in the past few days,” Samuel says. “Parents are anxious about the uncertainty in the U.S. and want to secure places for their children in the UK.”

The brain drain from the US has already started.

Hans Blaster · May 29, 2025

Beth77 said:
Harvard is a cesspool.

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Laura Loomer is a white nationalist. I'd say you can do better, but you keep proving you can't.

essentialsaltes · May 29, 2025

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Trump administration backtracks on Harvard foreign student policy

Harvard now has 30 days to respond to the Trump administration.

ralliann · May 30, 2025

BCP1928 said:
Not because they Jews, but because they are Israelis.

Sound's like you are the one dividing Jews: It's antisemitism to discriminate against Zionist Jews, but not other Jews. They are, according to our government, not "real" Jews and deserve no consideration as such.

I don't care what you want to make it. If it is not their lives on the line, don't pretend to speak for them.

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