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Was Paul saved when he wrote “if we deny Him, He will deny us”? Is Paul teaching Timothy that he can’t lose his salvation?
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Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS) or Keep the faith until the end?
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FAITH-IN-HIM
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My point is that salvation is not earned through belief alone. Salvation is a gift granted to us by the mercy of God; it is not something we can achieve through our own efforts. Therefore, if we cannot earn salvation through our abilities, we also cannot lose it based on our abilities
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But that understanding of salvation isn’t supported by scripture. Did you read the passages I quoted?
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And again my question still stands, do we deserve salvation for believing in Christ? If we don’t deserve it then it isn’t earned.
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Not every verse in the New Testament discusses salvation. Paul's writing to 2 Timothy in Chapter 2 focuses on living a life dedicated to Jesus.
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Either we believe or not, we don’t deserve salvation. It is pure gift of God out of His love.
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If we deny Him, He will deny us. What exactly does that mean?
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It's good that salvation is not earned. If I didn't earn it, I can't lose it either. Eternal life is entirely up to God, not me. Nothing I did before or after salvation grants me eternal life.
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My salvation is assured, my name is written in the book of life, and no one can remove me from Jesus' hand.
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You’re still ignoring scripture. Why can’t you answer the question?
If we deny Him, He will deny us.
Is this scripture or not? Is this verse not as important as the rest of scripture? What does it mean?
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You don’t know that your name is written in the book of life because those names are written according to God’s foreknowledge. He knows your future, you don’t.
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The Greek word used is Harpazo which means to seize, snatch, or take by force. It refers to a third party trying to take something by force. It doesn’t not simply mean to remove it is specifically in reference to a removal by force. I explain this in the video.
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So, you didn't put your faith in Jesus Christ in order to be granted salvation? Do you not agree with how Paul and Silas answered the jailer's question about what he had to do in order to be saved? Should they instead have told him there's nothing he had to do to be saved?
Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
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Good point, I often see people say that all we have to do to be saved is believe, salvation is not of works, but then somehow they say that if we have to continue to believe then somehow believing becomes a work. Absolutely ridiculous. Believing to be saved isn’t a work but somehow continuing to believe in order to be saved all the sudden becomes a work. Makes absolutely no sense at all.
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Well ask yourself these things,.....how did satan fall if he was considered a perfect angel? How did Judas fall if He was one of the disciples of Jesus? How did Esau lose his birthright for a meal as a chosen Jewish person?
It's not like anyone of these listed people or beings just one day woke up and realized they had lost their place with GOD, they had to do some things to earn that.
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I am not ignoring scripture, but we cannot create doctrine by taking verses out of context. The Bible was not written for verses to be used this way. When the author wrote Hebrews, he did not create a doctrine from one verse in the middle. Likewise, Paul did not write to Timothy without context. For systematic study, we must consider verses within the context of their chapters.
To conduct a thorough discussion of a verse in Hebrew, it is essential to consider the entire chapter, or possibly the preceding and following chapters, to fully understand the context of the author's message. Analyzing a single verse without its surrounding context does not align with the way the Bible was intended to be studied.
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FAITH-IN-HIM
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Let's begin with the basics. Before discussing the concept of losing salvation, it is important to understand how salvation is obtained.
- Salvation is a gift, not a reward. (Ephesians 2:8-9)
- Humans can't earn salvation through good works or faithfulness. (Titus 3:5)
- We cannot come to Christ on our own; it is God and the Holy Spirit who change our hearts to repent and believe in Christ. (Romans 8:7, Galatians 5:17, John 6:44)
- Once we believe in Christ, we are born again. (1 Peter 1:23)
- Being saved makes us children of God. (John 1:12-13)
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FAITH-IN-HIM
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Just a quick question , did you choose God, or did God choose you?
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