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Former Biden diplomat says there’s ‘no question’ that ‘free Palestine’ slogan has become a call for violence
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I'm also curious - during the time since 2005, how many Israelis were killed by Palestinians and how many Palestinians were killed by Israelis?
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Since 2005, many Palestinians have been casualties at the hands of Israelis, and many Israelis have been casualties of Palestinian attacks.
Stop calling this conflict a genocide. Both sides have blood on their hands and are guilty.
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That does not even begin to answer the question I asked.
Israeli is committing genocide. What do you think "ethnic cleansing" is?
'It Is Important to Call a Genocide a Genocide,’ Consider Suspending Israel’s Credential as UN Member State, Experts Tell Palestinian Rights Committee | Meetings Coverage and Press Releases
It is important to call a genocide a genocide, UN experts told the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People today as they called on all States to examine their relationships and avoid being complicit in this crime being committed by Israel on the Palestinian...
It is important to call a genocide a genocide, UN experts told the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People today as they called on all States to examine their relationships and avoid being complicit in this crime being committed by Israel on the Palestinian people in Gaza.
“If you go to a doctor because you have cancer and you are diagnosed with fever, you have a big problem — it's the same with the people who are being genocided,” said Francesca Albanese, Special Rapporteur on the Situation of Human Rights in the Palestinian Territory Occupied Since 1967, during a briefing on the international legal responsibilities for preventing genocide, holding perpetrators of war crimes accountable, and for ending the unlawful occupation of Palestine.
Describing herself as “a reluctant chronicler of genocide,” Ms. Albanese said the international community must recognize what is happening in Gaza as a genocide and “understand the bigger design behind what's happening in Palestine today”. It is not simply war crimes and crimes against humanity that the Palestinians are experiencing — “they have experienced those through their entire life,” she said, but the current situation is different.
“If you go to a doctor because you have cancer and you are diagnosed with fever, you have a big problem — it's the same with the people who are being genocided,” said Francesca Albanese, Special Rapporteur on the Situation of Human Rights in the Palestinian Territory Occupied Since 1967, during a briefing on the international legal responsibilities for preventing genocide, holding perpetrators of war crimes accountable, and for ending the unlawful occupation of Palestine.
Describing herself as “a reluctant chronicler of genocide,” Ms. Albanese said the international community must recognize what is happening in Gaza as a genocide and “understand the bigger design behind what's happening in Palestine today”. It is not simply war crimes and crimes against humanity that the Palestinians are experiencing — “they have experienced those through their entire life,” she said, but the current situation is different.
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That does not even begin to answer the question I asked.
Israeli is committing genocide. What do you think "ethnic cleansing" is?
'It Is Important to Call a Genocide a Genocide,’ Consider Suspending Israel’s Credential as UN Member State, Experts Tell Palestinian Rights Committee | Meetings Coverage and Press Releases
It is important to call a genocide a genocide, UN experts told the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People today as they called on all States to examine their relationships and avoid being complicit in this crime being committed by Israel on the Palestinian...press.un.org
It is important to call a genocide a genocide, UN experts told the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People today as they called on all States to examine their relationships and avoid being complicit in this crime being committed by Israel on the Palestinian people in Gaza.“If you go to a doctor because you have cancer and you are diagnosed with fever, you have a big problem — it's the same with the people who are being genocided,” said Francesca Albanese, Special Rapporteur on the Situation of Human Rights in the Palestinian Territory Occupied Since 1967, during a briefing on the international legal responsibilities for preventing genocide, holding perpetrators of war crimes accountable, and for ending the unlawful occupation of Palestine.Describing herself as “a reluctant chronicler of genocide,” Ms. Albanese said the international community must recognize what is happening in Gaza as a genocide and “understand the bigger design behind what's happening in Palestine today”. It is not simply war crimes and crimes against humanity that the Palestinians are experiencing — “they have experienced those through their entire life,” she said, but the current situation is different.
Do you agree or disagree that Palestinian fired 22,000 rockets toward Israel?
If Palestinians wish to avoid Israeli retaliation, they should cease the firing of rockets towards Israel.
I have participated in at least five exchanges with you, but I have yet to see any condemnation of Hamas for their terrorist acts. This highlights a significant issue among those who support the Palestinian cause: they often overlook any faults within the Palestinian side and consistently find reasons to blame Israel.
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What? That Palestinian? Which Palestinan?
I don't know how many rockets were fired towards Israel over any particular time. That sounds plausible, but it's ridiculous to "agree or disagree" about something that may or may not be accurate to my knowledge. I do and have acknowledged that Hamas launched an attack on Israel on Oct 7, 2023 if that answers your question.
That has not avoided Israeli aggression towards Gaza and the West Bank.
Okay, I explicitly condemn Hamas for its terrorism towards their occupiers and, especially, unrelated Jewish people. Apparently, I need to do a proforma declaration in each exchange with you, for your comfort.
No, we do not overlook the faults of Hamas the way you not only overlook the crimes of Israel but outright condone and justify them. However, we do not conflate Hamas with all Palestinians, particularly the children in Gaza and the West Bank.
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This highlights the issue with everyone who advocates for the Palestinian cause.
You might believe that Hamas is an external force causing violence, unrelated to Palestinian suffering. It is important to recognize that Hamas is a significant political entity within Palestinian society, particularly in Gaza. Many individuals, including supporters of Palestine, often overlook the fact that Hamas represents a considerable portion of the population. In the 2006 democratic elections, over 46% of Palestinians in Gaza elected Hamas to represent them. Therefore, it is vital to consider that when discussing the humanitarian concerns involving children and women, many of these individuals are members or relatives of those who support Hamas.
As I have said in my previous post, If Palestinians wish to avoid Israeli retaliation, they should cease the firing of rockets towards Israel. Hamas, the governing body in Gaza, must cease all attacks on Israel. Only then can there be any possibility of peace talks.
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You are confusing retaliation with genocide. There is no genocide in Palestine, but rather retaliation for Palestinian attacks against Israel.
Palestinians have fired 22 thousand rockets at Israel since 2001, including 17 rockets this month alone. This is a conflict, not a genocide.
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No, I'm not. You are confused if you think that retaliation cannot include genocide.
There is an ongoing genocide in Palestine in retaliation to Oct. 7th.
It is a conflict with one side committing genocide with the full support of many Zionist Christians.
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For the purpose of this discussion, I would like to hear your perspective on a potential solution. What do you believe Israel should do today to ensure the safety and prosperity of its citizens while also allowing Palestinians to have their own homeland where they can live peacefully?
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FAITH-IN-HIM
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Thank you for confirming your stance. The pro-Palestinian side has no solutions or answers. They can only offer criticism towards Israel.
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Is "I don't know" a "stance"?
I am not the pro-Palestinian side; I am a person. I am not arrogant enough to think that I have the answer to complex geopolitical problems.
Really? Don't commit genocide seems pretty basic for everyone, but too harsh for your taste.
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While you recognize this as a complex geopolitical issue, the solution you proposed—avoiding genocide—seems overly simplistic in comparison.
If the IDF withdraws from Gaza, it is unlikely that the violence will cease. Hamas would likely continue firing rockets toward Israel regardless of the IDF's presence in Gaza. The international community and Arab nations cannot guarantee Israel's safety if the IDF withdraws from Gaza, as there is skepticism that Hamas would hold to any treaty or agreement.
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That is not a proposal nor a solution.
You are simply determined to blame me for opposing genocide.
Is it possible for IDF to not kill the children of Gaza, to not starve the populace? Is it possible for Israel to allow food, water and sanitation into Gaza? Do you believe the only way to achieve peace is the total annihilation of Palestine or, to be merciful, the complete ethnic cleansing?
If all of Gaza is responsible for Hamas, does that make all of Israel responsible for the genocide? And all the US by extension for supplying weapons and support?
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The use of civilian establishments by the military is prohibited by Geneva laws. However, there have been instances where hospitals, schools, and other civilian sites in Gaza have been used for military purposes. Hamas endangers children in Gaza, not IDF.
It is deeply concerning that children in Gaza are enduring hardships. The situation requires a deeper examination of the underlying factors. One significant factor is that the Palestinian people elected Hamas as their representative. Hamas has been neglecting its citizens, violating international laws, and engaging in activities that have contributed to ongoing suffering of Palestinian people.
Rocket fire from civilian sites such as schools or hospitals poses a significant challenge for the IDF. When rockets are fired from these locations, they are considered military bases rather than civilian establishments.
Hamas is responsible for the suffering of it’s own people, not Israel.
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