Salvation is in your hands, Jesus did his part

Bro.T said:

You creating this thought, the story explain itself.


Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.

So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death, which is the lake of fire. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time.

So by coming under the blood of Jesus being baptize, you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. When the bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws. These animal sacrificial laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins).

Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us (Hebrews 10:4,9-10) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

This doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation

It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)

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d taylor said:

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All sin has been forgiven and taken away by Jesus on the cross. Sin is not an issue in receiving God's free gift of Eternal Life. The only condition a person must meet is they must believe in Jesus for Eternal Life.

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David Lamb said:

True, as far as it goes. But if somebody says that they believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, but carry on living exactly as they did before, that indicates that there is reason to doubt their claim. Paul wrote to the Ephesian Christians:

“For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.” (Eph 2:8-10 NKJV)

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d taylor said:

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The verse states that we should walk in them. The verse does not say that believers will for sure walk in them.

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d taylor said:

The parable of the soils shows the three types of believers 2nd, 3rd and 4th soils.

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d taylor said:

Not every person who believes in Jesus will live the life that man has created that a believer will live. Why do you think God has stated believers will be rewarded for living a great Christ like life during their earthly life. It is to motivate to live like Christ and not like the world.

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David Lamb said:

So are you saying that a sinner can be born again without even the slightest change in their lives?

No, I don't agree. The parable shows one sort of believer. Are you saying that a person who hears God's word, seems to believe it, but immediately that word is taken from his mind, or the person who hears God's word, but is put off by persecution, or gives more importance to the cares of this world, are genuine Christian believers?

No believer in Christ is perfect in this life. However, if there is no change at all, what evidence is there that a person is a Christian? Christ told His followers:

“"If you love Me, keep My commandments.” (Joh 14:15 NKJV)

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d taylor said:

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Show me the verse that states a person must change their life to be born again.

We are discussing receiving God's free gift of Eternal Life, which is only done by believing in Jesus. Are you now adding to belief a person must love Jesus and keep Jesus' commandments.

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David Lamb said:

I am sorry, but you have misunderstood me. I didn't say anywhere that a person must change their life to be born again. That indeed is Gods free gift, given to sinners while they are still described as "dead in trespasses and sins." But once a person has been born again, and has new life in Christ Jesus, that new life will show. As Paul wrote to born again people in Rome:

“But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered.” (Ro 6:17 NKJV)

“But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life.” (Ro 6:22 NKJV)

They had been slaves of sin, obeying only the temptations of the devil. Now they are slaves of God, and should obey Him, not in order to be born again, but because they have been born again.

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d taylor said:

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What about the believers Paul write to in 1st Corinthians

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David Lamb said:

What about them? Paul encourages them toi live holy lives, as is fitting for Christians. For example, in the peoening chapter, he writes:

“Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s [household], that there are contentions among you. Now I say this, that each of you says, "I am of Paul," or "I am of Apollos," or "I am of Cephas," or "I am of Christ." Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?” (1Co 1:10-13 NKJV)

There are plenty of other examples of calls to holiness of life throughout the letter.

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d taylor said:

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All sin has been forgiven and taken away by Jesus on the cross. Sin is not an issue in receiving God's free gift of Eternal Life. The only condition a person must meet is they must believe in Jesus for Eternal Life.

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Hoping2 said:

Anyone who actually believes Jesus is the Son of God, and died for their past sins, would rather die than commit another sin.
We are to remain faithful until the end.
Sinners show a lack of faith every time they hurt themselves or others.

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d taylor said:

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With making that statement you are sinning, because The Bible shows other wise.

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d taylor said:

Plus i take this as saying you do not sin,

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d taylor said:

unless you are typing this from heaven.

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d taylor said:

Now if you would have stated you believe Anyone who actually believes Jesus is the Son of God, and died for their past sins, would rather die than commit another sin.
Then you may have not been sinning

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Hoping2 said:

No, it doesn't.
Jesus came to free us from sin.
He completed His mission successfully.

That is correct.

It is written..."But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life." (Rom 6:22)

My words are the truth, but if it makes you feel better about the world and its unsuccessful religions, then "I believe..."

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d taylor said:

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How did you become sinless

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Hoping2 said:

I followed the commands given by Peter on the day of Pentecost.
I turned from sin, (repented of sin), and was water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of my past sins. (Acts 2:38)
That freed me from sin, and it was followed by the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Besides the remission of my past sins, water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins also provided for the destruction of my old man of the "flesh". (Rom 6:6) The circumcision of the "body of the sins of the "flesh". (Col 2:11)
I can now walk in the Spirit instead of in and after the "flesh". (Rom 8:1)
So, God gets the glory.

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Bro.T said:

I see, you remove scriptures and verses and push your own thoughts, but again, Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

(v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.

So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. This doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation

It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)

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d taylor said:

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That is some mighty clever combining of verses from different context to come up with your belief.

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d taylor said:

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What about them, lets not just look through our theological tainted glasses. But actually see believers getting drunk at the Lords supper Now in giving these instructions I do not praise you, since you come together not for the better but for the worse. or the believers Paul writes to in 1st Corinthians 5. Or do you just simply say oh these are not real believers.


It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles—that a man has his father’s wife!
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I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.

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