Holy Father is a Name for God The Father John 17:11 Not The Pope, Blasphemy Definition

Cockcrow · May 8, 2025

John 17:11 “And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.” I keep hearing all these people calling the pope "Holy Father, the Holy Father" but in John 17:11 Jesus Christ calls God The Father Holy Father, so it is objectively blasphemy for anyone to call themselves Holy Father, looking at it from a biblical objective standpoint, it is indefensible to call a pope "Holy Father" In fact it is insulting to bible believing Christians every time they use that name for the Pope, Even just looking at it objectively, that is blasphemy. Yet I keep hearing so many in the media and catholics using that name over and over for the pope, its deeply offensive as a Bible believing Christian.

The Bible Definition of Blasphemy: Speaking evil of God, dishonoring His name, claiming divine attributes as a human, or treating what is holy as common or unholy. (Exodus 20:7, Leviticus 24:16, Psalms 111:9, John 10:33, Mark 2:7, Revelation 15:4)

You can see How this is textbook blasphemy to call yourself Holy Father as a sinful human being

chevyontheriver · May 8, 2025

Cockcrow said:
John 17:11 “And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.” I keep hearing all these people calling the pope "Holy Father, the Holy Father" but in John 17:11 Jesus Christ calls God The Father Holy Father, so it is objectively blasphemy for anyone to call themselves Holy Father, looking at it from a biblical objective standpoint, it is indefensible to call a pope "Holy Father" In fact it is insulting to bible believing Christians every time they use that name for the Pope, Even just looking at it objectively, that is blasphemy. Yet I keep hearing so many in the media and catholics using that name over and over for the pope, its deeply offensive as a Bible believing Christian.

The Bible Definition of Blasphemy: Speaking evil of God, dishonoring His name, claiming divine attributes as a human, or treating what is holy as common or unholy. (Exodus 20:7, Leviticus 24:16, Psalms 111:9 John 10:33, Revelation 15:4)

You can see How this is textbook blasphemy to call yourself Holy Father as a sinful human being

Another country heard from.

d taylor · May 9, 2025

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The catholic church has more problems than just this. Mainly their works belief in receiving God's free gift of Eternal Life salvation.

Valletta · May 9, 2025

Cockcrow said:
You can see How this is textbook blasphemy to call yourself Holy Father as a sinful human being

Yours is a misinterpretation of the Biblical text. If you study the whole Bible you will find that Abraham and Paul are referred to as "father" because they, like the pope, are spiritual shepherds.

d taylor · May 9, 2025

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Jesus targets the pride and self-importance of leaders who sought worldly admiration by adopting lofty titles. The parallel verses highlight the overarching principle: “Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Christ” (Matthew 23:10). The prohibition is set against the backdrop of human tradition elevating religious leaders to divine status.
https://biblehub.com/q/why_does_jesus_say_not_to_call_anyone_'father'.htm

Valletta · May 9, 2025

d taylor said:
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Jesus targets the pride and self-importance of leaders who sought worldly admiration by adopting lofty titles. The parallel verses highlight the overarching principle: “Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Christ” (Matthew 23:10). The prohibition is set against the backdrop of human tradition elevating religious leaders to divine status.
https://biblehub.com/q/why_does_jesus_say_not_to_call_anyone_'father'.htm

God has every right to refer to Paul or Abraham as a "father." So also to refer to "teachers."

Eph 4:11 And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, RSVCE

So says the Word of God.

d taylor · May 9, 2025

Valletta said:
God has every right to refer to Paul or Abraham as a "father." So also to refer to "teachers."

Eph 4:11 And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, RSVCE

So says the Word of God.

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Referring to Abraham as father, etc.. but there is no called to refer to any human as Holy Father.

Valletta · May 9, 2025

d taylor said:
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Referring to Abraham as father, etc.. but there is no called to refer to any human as Holy Father.

That which is associated with God can be called holy. Moses, for example, stood on holy ground.

d taylor · May 9, 2025

Valletta said:
That which is associated with God can be called holy. Moses, for example, stood on holy ground.

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That has nothing to do with a human claiming or being given (by other humans) the title of Holy Father.

God stated that area as holy ground. God has not stated to call any human Holy Father.

Moses was the leader of the Hebrew people, was Moses ever called Holy Father by God.

seeking.IAM · May 9, 2025

Cockcrow said:
it is insulting to bible believing Christians every time they use that name for the Pope

Bible believing Christians? Like the Catholics?

Valletta · May 9, 2025

d taylor said:
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That has nothing to do with a human calming or being given (by other humans) the title of Holy Father.

God stated that area as holy ground. God has not stated to call any human Holy Father.

Moses was the leader of the Hebrew people, was Moses ever called Holy Father by God.

The Word of God even refers to a goat as holy. "Holy" refers to the association with God, that does NOT mean that the ground or goat have a holy nature. You seem to be saying that if a phrase is not specifically used in the Bible it is wrong to use it? You said "That has nothing to do with human calming." That phrase is not in the Bible, why do you use it?

d taylor · May 9, 2025

Valletta said:
The Word of God even refers to a goat as holy. "Holy" refers to the association with God, that does NOT mean that the ground or goat have a holy nature. You seem to be saying that if a phrase is not specifically used in the Bible it is wrong to use it? You said "That has nothing to do with human calming." That phrase is not in the Bible, why do you use it?

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I am just wondering why if God did not call any of His chosen servants like kings, prophets, priest Holy Father. Why should mankind take it upon themselves to use this name and apply it to a person.
This is not about finding phrases in The Bible and if they are used or not. It is about a specific name/title applied to another human by other humans.

timothyu · May 9, 2025

d taylor said:
Moses was the leader of the Hebrew people, was Moses ever called Holy Father by God.

We used to hear 'Holy Moses' a lot back in the day

timothyu · May 9, 2025

There are those that defend their physical church over scripture and those that defend scripture over physical church. As a result, it never ends

Valletta · May 9, 2025

d taylor said:
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I am just wondering why if God did not call any of His chosen servants like kings, prophets, priest Holy Father. Why should mankind take it upon themselves to use this name and apply it to a person.
This is not about finding phrases in The Bible and if they are used or not. It is about a specific name/title applied to another human by other humans.

There are numerous unofficial titles that people use for the pope. If you are uncomfortable with the title "Holy Father" than just don't use it, and try not to judge those who do. An understanding of the Word of God is what prompts the title, one who is set aside for God's purposes can be called holy.

Kings 4:9-11 And she said to her husband, “Behold now, I perceive that this is a holy man of God, who is continually passing our way. 10 Let us make a small roof chamber with walls, and put there for him a bed, a table, a chair, and a lamp, so that whenever he comes to us, he can go in there.” Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition

timothyu · May 9, 2025

Valletta said:
An understanding of the Word of God is what prompts the title, one who is set aside for God's purposes can be called holy.

True enough. This also.... Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Valletta · May 9, 2025

timothyu said:
True enough. This also.... Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Yes, I already pointed out the misinterpretation, Abraham and Paul are referred to as "father" in the Word of God.

seeking.IAM · May 9, 2025

timothyu said:
True enough. This also.... Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

What do you call that guy married to your mom? You know, the guy whose name in on your birth certificate?

chevyontheriver · May 9, 2025

seeking.IAM said:
What do you call that guy married to your mom? You know, the guy whose name in on your birth certificate?

Or you could have asked whether the sun rotates around the earth. But then do Mars and Venus also rotate around the earth? These people who misinterpret Scripture so badly in one place often misinterpret it in many more places.

timothyu · May 9, 2025

Valletta said:
Yes, I already pointed out the misinterpretation, Abraham and Paul are referred to as "father" in the Word of God.

If we get to the root of the problem, man in the beginning put their wil ahead of the will of God and became self-aware. One of the spin-off sins other than self- interest, self-determination, self-serving etc. was self-justification

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