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Nope. They love supporting the rule of law. Republicans love trashing the Constitution, don't they?

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I don't think anyone loves the rule of the law, especially in regards to their friends. MS 13 is friends to the democrats, ergo you support them.
 
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I don't understand how you can come to that conclusion. All Republicans love the constitution. All Republican presidents take the following oath:
Pointing out how ridiculous Kiwi's statement about Democrats was. I'm sure that you'd agree with that.
 
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He will remain in prison until the government of El Salvador decides otherwise. Doesn't look like too rough of a prison to me.
He will remain there as long as Trump disobeys the Constitution.
 
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He will remain there as long as Trump disobeys the Constitution.
Garcia's wife said ""Me and my kids are afraid now. He's kicked me, pushed me, slapped me in the face, threatened me." How about Democrats demand that Hamas release innocent hostages?
 
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I don't think anyone loves the rule of the law, especially in regards to their friends. MS 13 is friends to the democrats, ergo you support them.
Hitler lovers are friends with Republicans, ergo you support Fascism. We can do this all day. It is ridiculous to claim Democrats support MS-13 just because they wan by
t Republicans to obey the Constitution and give all people their Constitutional rights to due process.

Republicans are not Judge, jury, and executioner. They need to obey the law. The Congress make the law, the Executive branch carries them out, and the Judicial branch ensures their Constitutionality.

Arrest the criminals and take to court to ensure that justice is served.
 
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Hitler lovers are friends with Republicans, ergo you support Fascism. We can do this all day. It is ridiculous to claim Democrats support MS-13 just because they wan by
t Republicans to obey the Constitution and give all people their Constitutional rights to due process.

Well all Democrats know is Hitler and comparisons to him. They have no actual concept of history so what does it matter if you let your true feelings loose? If Trump is Hitler then you have a moral obligation to treat him like the allies and later Soviets did. No mercy either for his supporters.
Republicans are not Judge, jury, and executioner. They need to obey the law. The Congress make the law, the Executive branch carries them out, and the Judicial branch ensures their Constitutionality.

Arrest the criminals and take to court to ensure that justice is served.
I think you put too much stock on a piece of paper as this is never how politics works. Nor are Democrats perfect in implementing the law. I just wonder why you care so much about a bunch of Satanic gang members. Do you think the average person cares for their rights or that they're out of the country? Why do you want to ensure MS 13 is allowed to operate within the USA? Is Trump worse than MS 13?
 
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I think you put too much stock on a piece of paper as this is never how politics works.
Patriots support all of the US Constitution, not just the parts they choose. Rebels and criminals reject to follow the law. Refusing to give all people due process makes one a law breakers,.no different than MS-13 gang members.


I just wonder why you care so much about a bunch of Satanic gang members.
Jesus told us to love our enemies. You reject Jesus if you fail to love them. Giving people accused of being a Satanic gang member their due process, ensures that they are who they are accused of and is showing them the love that Jesus commanded.

Do you think the average person cares for their rights or that they're out of the country?
The Constitution protects all people from what the average person thinks. If you hate the Constitution, leave. Go find a place that fits your thinking, like El Salvador.
Why do you want to ensure MS 13 is allowed to operate within the USA?
I don't want any criminal gangs to operate in US, but as a patriot, I want to ensure rights to the accused, so that the innocent are not prosecuted.
Is Trump worse than MS 13?
In many ways he is worse. I wish that he would follow Jesus, instead of worshipping himself.
 
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Patriots support all of the US Constitution, not just the parts they choose. Rebels and criminals reject to follow the law. Refusing to give all people due process makes one a law breakers,.no different than MS-13 gang members.

By your standards Obama, who deported millions, MOST of who never say an immigration judge, failed to provide "due process" to the majority of those he deported. I am so sick of this two-tiered justice system where certainly more Democrats have violated due process than Republicans.
 
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I don't think anyone loves the rule of the law, especially in regards to their friends. MS 13 is friends to the democrats, ergo you support them.
Exactly. Most of immigrants deported by Obama never saw one judge, now this MS-13 gang member who I believe has seen 14 judges suddenly is the guy who is being denied due process.
 
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By your standards Obama, who deported millions, MOST of who never say an immigration judge, failed to provide "due process" to the majority of those he deported.
You know what that means? He was wrong. You know what that means about Trump? He's also wrong.

That's how a principled stance works. You hold everyone to the same standard.

This isn't about who's more of a baddie. It's about the principle. Due process is essential to a fair and justice society, and anyone who violates that should be held accountable, be it Trump or Obama or some random guy named Jake.
 
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Exactly. Most of immigrants deported by Obama never saw one judge, now this MS-13 gang member who I believe has seen 14 judges suddenly is the guy who is being denied due process.
Again, the right is more important than the individual.
 
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By your standards Obama, who deported millions, MOST of who never say an immigration judge, failed to provide "due process" to the majority of those he deported.
The Immigration Law allows for the removal of illegal immigrants without a hearing, if they meet the criteria. Obama followed that law. Trump hasn't. Learn the law.
I am so sick of this two-tiered justice system where certainly more Democrats have violated due process than Republicans.
Just like Trump, you need to learn the law. Then you wouldn't lose so many talking points.
 
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You know what that means? He was wrong. You know what that means about Trump? He's also wrong.

That's how a principled stance works. You hold everyone to the same standard.

This isn't about who's more of a baddie. It's about the principle. Due process is essential to a fair and justice society, and anyone who violates that should be held accountable, be it Trump or Obama or some random guy named Jake.
The principle is that Trump is defending our Constitution, the separation of powers clause, the election of a president by the people. The radical left has installed radical judges who, if Trump won, would try and destroy his administration by twisting th elaw and mocking justice. As to due process, most Democrats have no idea about past rulings of the Supreme Court stating that someone who comes here illegally gets less "due process" than an American citizen. And I would bet most are unaware of Obama doing the same thing, deporting most without judicial hearings. Not that the facts would cause them to change their mind, they don't respect the election process or the people who elected Trump.
 
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The principle is that Trump is defending our Constitution,
Do we have the same information?

When asked by Welker in the interview aired Sunday if he thinks he has to uphold the Constitution as president, Mr. Trump also said, "I don't know."
Waffling on upholding the Constitution is not defending it.

[Trump is defending] the separation of powers clause, the election of a president by the people.
He's specifically ignoring the power of the Supreme Court in this very case. He's not defending the separation of powers. He's undermining it.

The radical left has installed radical judges who, if Trump won, would try and destroy his administration by twisting th elaw and mocking justice.
Yes, all those radical leftist judges of the Supreme Court who ruled against Trump, 9-0, in this very case.

As to due process, most Democrats have no idea about past rulings of the Supreme Court stating that someone who comes here illegally gets less "due process" than an American citizen.
I am pretty sure the sitting judges of the Supreme Court who rules against Trump, 9-0, know far more about this than Democrats, Trump, you, and I.

And I would bet most are unaware of Obama doing the same thing, deporting most without judicial hearings.
This doesn't matter. If he did this, he was wrong. It's not complicated.

Not that the facts would cause them to change their mind
Please review the above.

they don't respect the election process or the people who elected Trump.
We respect the election process, but many of us definitely find it hard to respect the people who elected Trump.
 
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We respect the election process, but many of us definitely find it hard to respect the people who elected Trump.
I think this is the heart of the problem. Such an attitude is preached by the hard left leaders and people need to understand that those with differing opinions are their friends and relatives and neighbors and that the law should be applied equally to everyone.
 
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I don't think anyone loves the rule of the law, especially in regards to their friends. MS 13 is friends to the democrats, ergo you support them.
Sure! Just toss the word "ergo" in their to make your point sound rational.
 
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Sure! Just toss the word "ergo" in their to make your point sound rational.
Do you think defending the rights of Satanic cultists is the best use of resources?
 
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I think this is the heart of the problem. Such an attitude is preached by the hard left leaders and people need to understand that those with differing opinions are their friends and relatives and neighbors and that the law should be applied equally to everyone.
It's not. It's really not. It's not the heart of the problem.

The heart of the problem is that people who support Trump do so in the face of all evidence and reason.

If Trump supporters want to be respected, they need to show us that they're capable of critiquing Trump. They need to demonstrate that they can look at the evidence and reason that, "Yeah, this is bad." They need to stop defending him when he's attacking civil liberties, destroying the economy, undermining the rule of law, and on and on and on. But, they don't.

And given the amount of harm they're enabling Trump to inflict upon this country, no, I will not respect them. If they want my respect, they have to earn it.
 
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