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MAGA Maoism - Parallels With the Past

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Many have made comparisons between Trump and two well-known autocrats from the 1930's-40's, but a new one is making the rounds now: Trump and Mao. It's more novel (at least to me), but also strikes me as being potentially more accurate, with Mao's emphasis on personalist propaganda; his purging and destruction of elite institutions; his revenge after losing and then returning to power; and his exaltation of rural life physical labor over urban life and the knowledge economy.





As the United States grapples with the upheaval unleashed by the Trump administration, many Chinese people are finding they can relate to what many Americans are going through.

They are saying it feels something like the Cultural Revolution, the period known as “the decade of turmoil.” The young aides Elon Musk has sent to dismantle the U.S. government reminded some Chinese of the Red Guards whom Mao Zedong enlisted to destroy the bureaucracy at the peak of the Cultural Revolution. Upon hearing President Trump’s musing about serving a third term, they joked that China’s leader, Xi Jinping, must be saying, “I know how to do it” — he secured one in 2022 by engineering a constitutional change.

The United States helped China modernize and expand its economy in the hope that China would become more like America — more democratic and more open. Now for some Chinese, the United States is looking more and more like China.

“Coming from an authoritarian state, we know that dictatorship is not just a system — it is, at its core, the pursuit of power,” Wang Jian, a journalist, wrote in an X post criticizing Mr. Trump. “We also know that the Cultural Revolution was about dismantling institutions to expand control.”​
 

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Must be baby steps to eventually enlighten us conservatives that Trump is really Hitler. Right now he is Mao and he doesn’t even get credit for being more enlightened than Mao. I mean compare DOGE to:


 
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I think Trump is very much unique, but cut in the same mold as other strongmen demagogues. I don't think he's exactly like Mao, but I watched a leftist critique of the Cultural Revolution on Youtube and couldn't help but see alot of similarities to the times we live in. Particularly the hyperpoliticization that occured during Trump's first term and Biden's
 
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Must be baby steps to eventually enlighten us conservatives that Trump is really Hitler. Right now he is Mao and he doesn’t even get credit for being more enlightened than Mao. I mean compare DOGE to:


The second paragraph of that article:

The Great Leap Forward stemmed from multiple factors, including "the purge of intellectuals, the surge of less-educated radicals, the need to find new ways to generate domestic capital, rising enthusiasm about the potential results mass mobilization might produce, and reaction against the sociopolitical results of the Soviet [Union]'s development strategy."[6] Mao ambitiously sought an increase in rural grain production and an increase in industrial activity. Mao was dismissive of technical experts and basic economic principles, which meant that industrialization of the countryside would solely be dependent on the peasants. Grain quotas were introduced with the idea of having peasants provide grains for themselves and support urban areas. Output from the industrial activities such as steel was also supposed to be used for urban growth.[6] Local officials were fearful of the so-called "Anti-Right Deviation Struggle" and they competed to fulfill or over-fulfill quotas which were based on Mao's exaggerated claims, collecting non-existent "surpluses" and leaving farmers to starve to death. Higher officials did not dare to report the economic disaster which was being caused by these policies, and national officials, blaming bad weather for the decline in food output, took little or no action.

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  • The purge of intellectuals
  • The surge of less-educated radicals
  • The need to find new ways to generate domestic capital
  • Rising enthusiasm about the potential results mass mobilization might produce
  • Reaction against sociopolitical results of [a previous] development strategy
  • Increase in certain types of industrial output
  • Dismissive of technical experts and basic economic principles
  • Local officials fearful of pushing back on exaggerated claims
  • High level officials obfuscating data and shirking blame
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Struggle sessions lead by bands of rebellious youth particularly remind me of alot of the politics of the past decade as you'ld find it on social media. And we've had our own version of the "4 Olds" to bash, more or less.
 
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How many Chinese people died in the Chinese Civil War and the Chinese Revolution?

Google's AI gave the following answer:

Estimates for deaths during the Chinese Civil War, which culminated in the Communist victory and the establishment of the People's Republic of China in 1949, range from 1.5 to 7 million, with a significant portion attributed to the second phase of the war.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
  • Chinese Civil War:
    • The Chinese Civil War (1927-1949) involved a prolonged conflict between the Nationalist Party (KMT) and the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), culminating in the CCP's victory.

    • Estimates for deaths during the war range from 1.5 to 7 million, with some sources suggesting even higher numbers.

    • The second phase of the war (1946-1949) saw a significant increase in casualties, with estimates of 2.5 to 6 million deaths.

    • Some sources suggest that up to 370,000 people were killed in the second phase of the war.

  • People's Republic of China (1949-present):
    • Following the Communist victory, the People's Republic of China was established on October 1, 1949.

    • The CCP, led by Mao Zedong, implemented policies that led to further instability and suffering, including the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution.

    • The Great Leap Forward (1958-1962) resulted in a famine that led to the deaths of an estimated 20 to 30 million people.

    • The Cultural Revolution (1966-1976) caused widespread chaos and violence, with estimates of up to 2 million deaths.

Yet, for some odd reason, some here in America want to compare MAGA and President Trump to the dictator Mao and the millions upon millions of deaths caused by Mao and the CCP. Doing so makes absolutely zero sense at all to me.
 
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Yet, for some odd reason, some here in America want to compare MAGA and President Trump to the dictator Mao and the millions upon millions of deaths caused by Mao and the CCP. Doing so makes absolutely zero sense at all to me.
Nobody compared Trump's actions to the millions of deaths caused by Mao.
 
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Nobody compared Trump's actions to the millions of deaths caused by Mao.
That is a fair thing to say.
However, it seemed like to me that there may have been an implication that we could be headed in that direction. Therefore, I thought it would be a good idea to remind folks about the destructive history of Maoism in China.
 
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The second paragraph of that article:



I mean....

  • The purge of intellectuals
  • The surge of less-educated radicals
  • The need to find new ways to generate domestic capital
  • Rising enthusiasm about the potential results mass mobilization might produce
  • Reaction against sociopolitical results of [a previous] development strategy
  • Increase in certain types of industrial output
  • Dismissive of technical experts and basic economic principles
  • Local officials fearful of pushing back on exaggerated claims
  • High level officials obfuscating data and shirking blame
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I don’t have time to reply to analyze the claims made ( which probably can be debated) & shrug my shoulders also. Maybe I am supposed to compare gunner Joe McCarthy to Stalin also. The thing is McCarthy never murdered people although he was a bully so I guess rationalize it any way you like.
 
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Nobody compared Trump's actions to the millions of deaths caused by Mao.
Actually I think it's the left that wants Maoism. E.g. govt believes in climate change, so the folks must to & they should immediately trash their heat, AC, cars, & electrical use to save the planet; the govt wants everyone to buy an EV but EVs are not suitable for all; the govt believes it knows best when saying it's ok to teach all about this gender stuff especially in grammer school & not consider it a legit psych disorder that needs treatment; the govt wants us to believe that they can dictate the science about gender & declare that you can wake up one day & just say you're something else; the govt would have you believe that people should be so dependent on govt & fawn all over them in spite of its inefficiency. What Trump is trying to do is go back to normal American culture.
 
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