Im confused?

I think the demons knew Jesus was the son of God, but didn't have the spirit of God. Just knowledge wasn't enough to save them.

My simple way of understanding this is that the demons, being supernatural, could easily recognise the Son of God.
Their problem was one of loyalty and obedience.
They had rebelled against God, and could not bring themselves to any resemblance of obedience to God...
They did not leave willingly; they had to be "overpowered by someone stronger".

SerenityA said:

But my confusion is 1 john 4:15 it says if any one confesses that they are with God and God is with them

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I believe that John was speaking to humans in that verse.
I do not think he was describing the supernatural realm.
But if the saints are, in the end, to judge fallen angels, their individual destinies might not all be the same.

SerenityA said:

It says God lives in them if you say that

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I believe God does live to some limited extent in all the beings that God has created, however much those beings deny it.
In other words, where is God not??????
I reflect on the need for the saints to judge the angels. I assume fallen angels. My deduction is that they may not all have the same fate.
To quote a friend of mine "first, get to heaven, then, ask for the clarifications".

SerenityA said:

In the bible it says that only people who are in God and have the spirit of God can say or acknowledge that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. But in the bible the demons that Jesus casted out of someone acknowledged that Jesus was the son of God and they still died I don't get how they were able to say that and still die ?

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Messiah was describing how things should work for human beings. Demons do not care about or follow the rules for humans which is why they are demons.

SerenityA said:

But my confusion is 1 john 4:15 it says if any one confesses that they are with God and God is with them

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It means someone who truly acknowledges Jesus is their Lord. The demons know who he is, but they don't acknowledge him as their Lord.

Take for example James 2:19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!

SerenityA said:

In the bible it says that only people who are in God and have the spirit of God can say or acknowledge that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. But in the bible the demons that Jesus casted out of someone acknowledged that Jesus was the son of God and they still died I don't get how they were able to say that and still die ?

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As contradictory as it seems, demonic knowledge is not the same as saving Faith.
It's important to distinguish between intellectual acknowledgment and genuine, saving faith. Demons possess knowledge of Jesus's identity, but this knowledge doesn't equate to a heart transformed by God's grace. You can continue to question this notion but , it will be to no avail because it is the truth.
Blessings

The extent of 'belief' is different. Humans belief is measured by the Covenant in place. The dead's belief is different, rather they 'know' spiritual things better.

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"Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in Him, and he in God." (1 John 4:15)

I see this means to confess this with honor and appreciation for Jesus, and confessing Jesus includes how we live and love the way He desires, our confessing not being only with words. Demons were not honoring Jesus, but treating Him like He was a threat to them. So, what they were saying was not with a good meaning.

Only we in the Holy Spirit can say with a good meaning that Jesus is Lord.

SerenityA said:

In the bible it says that only people who are in God and have the spirit of God can say or acknowledge that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. But in the bible the demons that Jesus casted out of someone acknowledged that Jesus was the son of God and they still died I don't get how they were able to say that and still die ?

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The demons are aware of who Jesus is. St. James reminds us that "Even the demons believe, and tremble."

What St. Paul is talking about is that apart from the Holy Spirit is is impossible to have faith in Christ, that is, to confess that He is Lord.

There's a difference between believing in a purely intellectual way, "I believe the sky is blue", and faith in the way which Paul is using it in his letters--the kind of thing Paul is talking about is trust. The person who has faith in Christ, is the person who trusts Jesus, and His Gospel. Who says "Jesus is Lord" from a place of conviction.

Perhaps a good analogy is this:

I believe that King Charles is the reigning monarch of the United Kingdom. I believe that as a statement of fact.

I don't, however, have any trust in King Charles, or in the British Crown. It means nothing to me, I'm not a British subject, I'm an American. At the end of the day the fact that Charles is King of the UK has no importance in my life.

When St. Paul talks about saying "Jesus is Lord" is possible only by the Holy Spirit, he means it in the sense of recognizing that Jesus is Lord, and that matters. Jesus is King, Jesus is Lord, and that means something. It means Jesus has defeated the powers and principalities by His death and resurrection. It means that this declaration does something, it means my sins are forgiven, I have reconciliation with God--who I am, what I am, and what this means for me, for you, for the whole world matters, it's the most signicant thing there is.

The demons believe, and tremble--because of course they do, because the devil knows his doom is sure and time is short.

But we, who have faith, confess the Lord Jesus, Crucified and Risen, seated at the right hand of the Father--and the powers and principalities of this world are shaken, fallen, and "the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever". Jesus is Lord, and that means something; and our lives are transformed by it.

-CryptoLutheran

SerenityA said:

In the bible it says that only people who are in God and have the spirit of God can say or acknowledge that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. But in the bible the demons that Jesus casted out of someone acknowledged that Jesus was the son of God and they still died I don't get how they were able to say that and still die ?

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Please notice in Acts 9:6 SAUL , says WHO ate you LORD // KURIOS and means SIR , LORDSHIP , OWNER or MASTER

And in 1 Cor 12:3 says this , Therefore , I make known to you that NO ONE , speaking by God's SPIRIT , Jesus is

accursed , and NO ONE , is able to SAY , LORD JESUS , except by the HOLY SPIRIT .

When SAUL / PAUL said MASTER , he was acknowing that Jesus Christ was his MASTER and SAUL / PAUL was saved

in Acts 9:6 .

Today all are saved by the grace of God by Rom 10: 9 and 10 !!

dan p