Rosie can't understand how Trump was elected

RDKirk said:

Did you notice that Harris lost?

I said--and you've agreed--that white heterosexual non-college graduates still comprise the largest voting block, and that the Democrats have lost that block.

You've acknowledged that will be true until the 2036 election.

What are we debating here?

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FAITH-IN-HIM said:

It is true that Vice President Harris lost. However, the trends over the past 40 years cannot be dismissed based on one election result. Since 1992, Republicans have won the popular vote only twice. Apart from rural white Americans, the majority of other demographics have consistently voted for Democrats, in some cases by up to 80%. This indicates that a single election result does not establish a trend.

You are focusing on one election result instead of considering the last nine presidential elections. It is unclear if demographic shifts toward Republicans are due to immigration, inflation, or progressive policies. The trend will be clearer after a few more elections. What's certain is that rural white demographics are decreasing while others are increasing. Over the last 40 years, all demographics except rural white voters have leaned Democrats.

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RDKirk said:

No, I'm not looking at just one election. I'm keeping in mind that largest voting block. The trend has been that the Democratic Party, more and more has been ignoring that block since 2008. Trump's first election was a severe warning sign. His loss in 2020 wasn't because the Democratic Party became more popular with that voting block, it was only because Trump's term had turned out so disastrously largely because of Covid. Trump's win in 2024 is a factor of a trend that would have continued from 2016, if not for Covid. Democrats have lost their traditional base, and that base is still the largest voting block. Democrats don't even have the majority of white women.

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FAITH-IN-HIM said:

Democrats need to adjust their policy. They can't just talk about justice reform and assume African American votes are guaranteed, or discuss immigration reform and presume Hispanic support. African Americans and Hispanics have diverse needs that must be addressed. Similarly, Democrats can’t just focus on climate change and expect youth votes. Other concerns of Generation X must be considered.

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FAITH-IN-HIM said:

• 65% of college-educated individuals vote Democrat.
• 80% of immigrants vote Democrat.
• 80% of Jewish Americans vote Democrat.
• 80% of African Americans vote Democrat.
• 80% of non-Christian religious groups vote Democrat.
• 55% of young voters vote Democrat.
• 60% Hispanic voters vote for Democrats
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• And your “hope” that Republicans will gain more votes in the future as second and third-generation immigrants become wealthy?

Well here is how wealthy people in America who has something to conserve are voting

Biden-voting counties equal 70% of America's economy. What does this mean for the nation's political-economic divide? | Brookings

This economic rift that persists in dividing the nation is a problem because it underscores the near-certainty of both continued clashes between the political parties and continued alienation and misunderstandings.

www.brookings.edu

https://www.axios.com/2023/04/12/house-democrats-winning-wealthier-districts-middle-class-gop

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/221098-richest-house-districts-skew-blue/

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Laodicean60 said:

I appreciate you talking about the needs of the Democratic Party. I think it's all about the message to the working class. I don't think bashing Trump for the next four years will change anyone's mind, or not voting with Republicans on issues, or something simple as standing up and clapping for a child.
I think Schumer did the right thing. He showed all the flippers that he was willing to side with Republicans for the people. Maybe also explaining why they voted a certain way. But I can't think of any way to communicate to the working class, and unions aren't the answer. It seems the only one who can mess this up is Trump himself. From his economic policy, he might. I'll just have to hide and watch.

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Aryeh Jay said:

I understand posting the information about Jewish voters because it adds to the list and makes it looks like a lot but in reality 80% of all Jewish people, not just voters is only 6 million spread over 50 states, it is not anything like the other groups. No one became President or lost the Presidentcy just because of Jewish voters.

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FAITH-IN-HIM said:

What does "working class" mean? Is it defined by those who work on farms and in factories in rural America, or by individuals employed in small businesses in urban areas, or perhaps those IT professionals working in Fortune 500 companies? Workers in factories in rural America often oppose globalization, whereas employees of multinational corporations or those in the agricultural sector may find their jobs dependent on free trade. Additionally, the perspectives of the working class on social issues can vary significantly based on their background, ethnicity, and level of education.

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RDKirk said:

Nor the black vote, which we learned when Reagan was elected the second time.

I have to school black people about this: We don't have the power to control the vote.
We can swing the vote only if we can bring enough white people to our cause.

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FireDragon76 said:

The African American vote for Democrats is similar to the White Evangelical vote for Republicans. Both are a solid voting block, but it's not enough to win elections on its own.

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RDKirk said:

And it's even sillier when the 20% of black men who voted for Trump are accused of "losing the election for Harris."

Twenty percent of black men is 1% of the total vote.

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NxNW said:

Well, she only lost by 1.5%, so it's not that far off.

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RDKirk said:

Nor the black vote, which we learned when Reagan was elected the second time.

I have to school black people about this: We don't have the power to control the vote.
We can swing the vote only if we can bring enough white people to our cause.

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RDKirk said:

My preferred definition of "working class" is anyone who will be living in their car if they don't get paid for a year.

I don't believe even "employees of multinational corporations or those in the agricultural sector" believe in globalization when it involves their job being exported overseas. Take, for instance, an employee at an Amazon call center in Dallas. Would that person support all Amazon call center positions being moved to India?

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RDKirk said:

That would not have changed the electoral college results.

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Aryeh Jay said:

My management position at Nestle was outsourced to the Philippines. Apparently Vevey (HQ) figured if they could manage me remotely from Switzerland then someone else could remotely manage the employees in R&D.

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RDKirk said:

That's where my wife comes in. Of course, she's also remote. While I'm typing this, she's at the desk next to mine masterfully handling a Zoom meeting with executives.

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