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Scientists speak out about evidence of Intelligent Design in nature..
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Which triggers the conditions for distinguishing a belief, where by 'belief' there, I mean:
'A belief is any notion held as being true out of preference, that does not follow from objective tests, and is not beholden to the rules of logic. (Objective tests followed by the application of logic rules, is a necessary condition).'
The observation of the unyielding (extreme) over-skeptical posting behaviour of @MM, is also the trigger for the first part of that definition where something is held 'as being true out of preference' .. aka: truth seeking at its finest.
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No problem .. there may be an escape sometime, somewhere, as we investigate the mystery, just as Neo did(?).... you sort of sound like you're stuck in the Matrix.
MDR, (more specifically MDR-science), doesn't necessitate ruling out escape paths on the basis of assumed truths, my friend.
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In watching this thread I feel compelled to say that in the geology world data produced with U-Pb testing is trusted as it's the oldest and most refined of the radiometric dating tools. As such it is widely used to help understand the modeling and relationships of geological features. Somehow, when it comes to the geology of the earth, the "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater" image comes to mind when reading your arguments.
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Yes, and I wish they'd knock that off.
They get pwned when they enter the science arena.
My advice is not to argue with a scientist; he'll drag you down to his level, then beat you to death with experience.
.. and neither of you are naive 'reality dependent reality' people. (More like Sith Darksiders, actually ..
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I'm not interested in their ancient weapons either... and neither of you are naive 'reality dependent reality' people. (More like Sith Darksiders, actually ..
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Great advice, but where's the thrill? I think this thread comes close to the truth when some of its contributors imply that the HydroPlate Theory reveals that an intellegent designer created earth as a ticking time bomb. All of the theory can be explained with laws of physics and chemistry except for why the crack in the mantle opened up to release the pent up super critical water. That is the "mystery" or the "miracle" (which ever you prefer). Personally, I think it was a miracle. It was when God spoke the words "enough... NOW!" The scary thing is, He promised to do it again, but not with water next time -- but with fire.
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But any explanation of hydroplate 'theory' absolutely falls through when any actual knowledge of physics is applied to it. It's bad science, which is exactly the sort of thing that I was saying to AV about!
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Hydroplate theory also fails when any basic knowledge of the geology of the earth is applied to it.
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Debunking Hydroplate theory was based on the calculated energy released which was more than enough to melt the Earth.
This assumes the explosive energy released using superheated water is even possible.
Hydroplate theory relies on the fanciful assumption the crust is 16 km (~ 25 km including pillars) thick and uniformly rigid.
The crust is rigid at the surface but at increasing depths where temperature and pressure increases, the crust becomes more ductile and can undergo plastic deformation. The gradual transition from rigidity to ductility starts from a depth of around 10km.
In an explosion in these subterranean chambers, the surrounding crust and the mantle floor undergoes plastic deformation which can absorb a large percentage of the energy, further energy loss is achieved through scattering and heat conversion as the blast wave travels through the crust.
We can use earthquakes at different depths to illustrate energy loss using a Richter 8 earthquake as a reference.
It is dubious Hydroplate theory can even result in launching rocks into space let alone the unfortunate side effects of melting the Earth in the process.
This assumes the explosive energy released using superheated water is even possible.
Hydroplate theory relies on the fanciful assumption the crust is 16 km (~ 25 km including pillars) thick and uniformly rigid.
The crust is rigid at the surface but at increasing depths where temperature and pressure increases, the crust becomes more ductile and can undergo plastic deformation. The gradual transition from rigidity to ductility starts from a depth of around 10km.
In an explosion in these subterranean chambers, the surrounding crust and the mantle floor undergoes plastic deformation which can absorb a large percentage of the energy, further energy loss is achieved through scattering and heat conversion as the blast wave travels through the crust.
We can use earthquakes at different depths to illustrate energy loss using a Richter 8 earthquake as a reference.
It is dubious Hydroplate theory can even result in launching rocks into space let alone the unfortunate side effects of melting the Earth in the process.
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I suspect it does deeper than this, witness his reactions to the dating of the Shroud of Turin.
I have lost contact with a scientist by the name of Steve Robertson who is an expert on radiocarbon dating and was recruited by Oxford University to assist in dating the Shroud which at the time was unidentified as it was a blind test.
I remember him telling me there were issues with the sample, the details I do not recall, which could have affected the result.
I would have invited him on this forum to address the conspiracy nonsense that has been circulated about the Shroud.
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Interesting!
Might be considered as being self-inflicted cruel and unusual punishment for him to involve himself around these parts in discussing the shroud topic, though(?)
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Not wanting to support your vanity links is not me being a cyw iâr.
(ETA: Not reblogs. Wrong website.)
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Interesting!
Might be considered as being self-inflicted cruel and unusual punishment for him to involve himself around these parts in discussing the shroud topic, though(?)
The Shroud of Turin is a violation of the First Commandment.
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