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I don't know what all this verbiage is about. I'm not so sure you can read and comprehend Jeremiah 13:11-14. You apparently have decided that the apparent absence of mention of hell by the apostles negates, nullifies all the words of Jesus. Hell is mentioned 23 times in the N.T. 16 times by Jesus, 5 times by the disciples. That's enough for me.Der Alte:
Did Jesus ever mention hell or eternal punishment? If He did, then what does it matter that none of the apostles did not?
My reply:
Well, let’s see … Do you recall the Great Commission?
”Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.“
Matthew 28:19-20 NKJV
Matthew 28:19-20 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and l | New King James Version (NKJV)
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lbible.com
It should matter to you and anyone else who holds to the fabricated demonic doctrine of hell. I find most believers who hold to this wicked, God dishonoring view, are those who teach OBEDIENCE … OBEDIENCE … OBEDIENCE … to the commands of Christ. And I affirm we should. They cry, we follow the teachings of Christ and His church! Really. Why? His own disciples either forgot to mention hell. Disregarded His command to teach what He taught them. Or, did not teach it because they understood it was not part of the proclamation of the Gospel.
P.S. Paul stated the following:
”“And indeed, now I know that you all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, will see my face no more. Therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all men. For I have not shunned to declare to you the whole counsel of God.“
Acts 20:25-27 NKJV
Acts 20:25-27 “And indeed, now I know that you all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, will see my face no more. Therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all men. For | New King James Version (NKJV) | D
“And indeed, now I know that you all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, will see my face no more. Therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all men. Forbible.com
Not a single instance of Paul using Hades or Gehenna in ALL of his epistles, warning of this contrived doctrine. So. In your view was Paul telling the truth? Did he lie? Or did he understand it was not a part of the Gospel Christ Himself taught him. Do you recall Paul’s confrontation with the philosophers at Mars Hill? Head to head with those philosophers in a real time interaction and he somehow failed to mention Hades/Gehenna? Perhaps he was intimidated by their knowledge and said just enough to get himself out of there before they gave him a theological whipping. I THINK NOT. Paul backed down from no one. Not the Gentiles philosophers. Not his brother Peter. Not the church leadership he put in place. Nobody!
If you, or anybody else, doesn’t think this is reason enough to stop and reconsider your stance on the myth of hell; then you go ahead and continue to remain in your denial and chose to be blind to the truth … That’s what blind allegiance to man made orthodoxy will provide you. Or, you can turn to Jesus and ask Him yourself. Listen. See if “THE TRUTH” will set you free!
Since you are criticizing me the burden of proof is on you. But I will answer this question. This word occurs 140 times in the O.T.
[שָׁחַת] vb. go to ruin (?) — Niph. be marred, spoiled, of wastecloth, vessel; be injured; or even (hyperb.) ruined, of land; be corrupted, corrupt, in morals and rel., of earth. Pi. 1. spoil, ruin, acc. of eye, vineyard (fig.), branches (fig.), also = destroy, acc. pers. (acc. om.), city, fortress, etc., ruin temple, nation, land, earth; c. ל obj. (ל 3 b), city, pers.; c. acc. רַחֲמָין, destroyed (stifled) his compassion. 2. pervert, corrupt, acc. wisdom, abs. = deal corruptly. Hiph. 1. spoil, ruin, acc. crop, trees (fig.), vessels, houses, palaces; דַּיָּם ˊהִשׁ thieves damage as much as they want; acc. pers. = ruin, destroy, (+ מִן separ.), + (acc. pers. om.), acc. בֵּית דָּוִד, abs.; also ruin one (by words); acc. עַם; land; city wall; cities and nations, pride of Judah, earth; abs. c. adv. acc.; Pt. as adj., of lion, angel; = destroyer; sq. coll.; the destroying band (spoilers, ravagers); fig. for snare, trap. 2. pervert, corrupt, morally, acc. דֶּרֶךְ, (מִן comp.); (+ vb. of particular act); declar. = act corruptly; Pt. as subst. Hoph. spoiled, ruined, of a spring, מָקוֹר; as subst. sacrificing a spoiled thing.
Richard Whitaker et al., The Abridged Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew-English Lexicon of the Old Testament: From A Hebrew and English Lexicon of the Old Testament by Francis Brown, S.R. Driver and Charles Briggs, Based on the Lexicon of Wilhelm Gesenius (Boston; New York: Houghton, Mifflin and Company, 1906).
Der Alte:
You are NOT God, next irrelevant question.
My reply:
No argument from me my friend.
Der Alte:
I am not and have not been embarrassed. When God said I will destroy, it was accompanied, emphasized by the words I will NOT pity, NOR spare, NOR have mercy, but destroy them. I do not know of any verse where God relented and decided to have pity, to spare, to have mercy, and not destroy the rebellious Judaeans and Israelites. Jer 13:11. FYI this vs. reads the same in the JPS, Jewish Publication Society translation.
My reply:
Fine. So all these rebellious Jews are completely destroyed correct? Do you mean just those during the time of Jeremiah? Or ALL Jews of ALL time who were, are, or going to be rebellious? I’m thinking you mean those in the time of Jeremiah. Correct? So these rebellious Jews are completely destroyed, “to no longer exist (your words).” Therefore, based on your interpretation and application of the context of Jeremiah, what exactly does await them? Are they heading for future judgement? Nope! Hey they no longer exist. Right? Can’t resurrect what doesn’t exist to be judged in the future.
Man, do you not see the absurdity of your interpretation of this text? Fact is, they were judged by God. Killed/Destroyed. And await future judgement like everyone else apart from faith. Anything else you chose to impose on his passage is well … eisegesis.
blessings
Mat 5:22, Mat 5:29, Mat 5:30, Mat 10:28, Mat 11:23, Mat 16:18, Mat 18:9, Mat 23:15, Mat 23:33, Mar 9:43, Mar 9:45, Mar 9:47, Luk 10:15, Luk 12:5, Luk 16:23
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Act 2:31, Jas 3:62, 2 Pet 2:4, Rev 1:18, Rev 6:8, Rev 20:13, Rev 20:14, Act 2:27.
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