Question about " Book of life ".

David Lamb · Mar 7, 2025

RainySunflower said:
+1 , not all who enter the Heaven will their names have written in Book of Life, so +1, I would also love to see scripture on it.

Well, there is certainly this verse that tells us that those whose names are not in the Lamb's book of life will not be in heaven:

“And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.” (Re 20:15 NKJV)

RainySunflower · Mar 7, 2025

Dissagree with it, in Heaven throne there will be judgement of all people, and not all will pass the judgement test by God. So agree to dissagree.

Edit:

Revelation 20 : 11 - 15

" 11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. "

So based on this, agree to dissagree. Not all who enter Heaven will stay there, cause judgement will be in Heaven's throne.

David Lamb · Mar 7, 2025

RainySunflower said:
Dissagree with it, in Heaven throne there will be judgement of all people, and not all will pass the judgement test by God. So agree to dissagree.

Edit:

Revelation 20 : 11 - 15

" 11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. "

So based on this, agree to dissagree. Not all who enter Heaven will stay there, cause judgement will be in Heaven's throne.

The verses you mention don't actually say where the people who are judged by God are. The idea that believers and unbelievers alike enter heaven to be judged doesn't fit with other bible verses, for instance:

“But there shall by no means enter it (that is, heaven) anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.” (Re 21:27 NKJV)

Postvieww · Mar 7, 2025

d taylor said:
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I can play the same game with you. You prove that never die in John 11:26 does not actually mean never die, but actually means the believer will never die, unless their name is blotted out of the book of life.

Or never thirst in John 4:14 actually does not mean never thirst

but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.”

Like i have said, if you do not believe the clear statements/promises of Jesus. That is not my problem and I will not going to try and convince you other wise.

I am not playing a game here, I am trying to have a reasonable conversation with you about this topic, but you obviously can’t handle being challenged. John 11:26 obviously refers to never dying spiritually because men die physically every day both saved and unsaved. John 4:14 obviously refers to spiritual water and thirst. Those who drink from the spiritual water given by Jesus will never thirst spiritually. Have you stopped to think about how an infant who has passed away could go to heaven without making a conscious choice to follow Jesus if one’s name must be entered in the Book at salvation to enter heaven? I submit to you the POSSIBILITY that every man’s name is in the book of life from the beginning and only will be blotted out if they fail to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior. This why I believe we find NO scripture telling us that our name is entered upon salvation and there is a scripture telling us a name may be blotted out. I am sorry you seem so offended by being challenged but like I said we are on a debate forum you should be used to it by now.

d taylor · Mar 7, 2025

Postvieww said:
I am not playing a game here, I am trying to have a reasonable conversation with you about this topic, but you obviously can’t handle being challenged. John 11:26 obviously refers to never dying spiritually because men die physically every day both saved and unsaved. John 4:14 obviously refers to spiritual water and thirst. Those who drink from the spiritual water given by Jesus will never thirst spiritually. Have you stopped to think about how an infant who has past away could go to heaven without making a conscious choice to follow Jesus if one’s name must be entered in the Book at salvation to enter heaven? I submit to you the POSSIBILITY that every man’s name is in the book of life from the beginning and only will be blotted out if they fail to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior. This why I believe we find NO scripture telling us that our name is entered upon salvation and there is a scripture telling us a name may be blotted out. I am sorry you seem so offended by being challenged but like I said we are on a debate forum you should be used to it by now.

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Sure you are, as everyone else is who comes to this website and brings their theological beliefs. So when you challenge a person on what they wrote you are using a game technique. Just like a person challenging another person in a chess game. To see who's strategy is superior, so you are challenging me, to prove your theology beliefs are superior to mine.

I do not challenge people (99% of the time) on their theological beliefs, i just respond when i am challenged. As i have noting to prove with my theological beliefs.

But just like this thread, i do respond with my theological beliefs to people who post questions in their thread topics.

d taylor · Mar 7, 2025

Postvieww said:
I am not playing a game here, I am trying to have a reasonable conversation with you about this topic, but you obviously can’t handle being challenged. John 11:26 obviously refers to never dying spiritually because men die physically every day both saved and unsaved. John 4:14 obviously refers to spiritual water and thirst. Those who drink from the spiritual water given by Jesus will never thirst spiritually. Have you stopped to think about how an infant who has passed away could go to heaven without making a conscious choice to follow Jesus if one’s name must be entered in the Book at salvation to enter heaven? I submit to you the POSSIBILITY that every man’s name is in the book of life from the beginning and only will be blotted out if they fail to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior. This why I believe we find NO scripture telling us that our name is entered upon salvation and there is a scripture telling us a name may be blotted out. I am sorry you seem so offended by being challenged but like I said we are on a debate forum you should be used to it by now.

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Jesus has taken away the sin of the world, so babies and small children. Even young people below an age of accountability and mentally impaired people can end up being added to the book of life.

God is a gracious God
Or another possibility these people may be resurrected and given their chance to believe in Jesus during the 1000 year rule of Jesus on earth.

The Rapture and the Age of Accountability – Grace Evangelical Society

Do Infants Go with Their Believing Parents in the Rapture? – Grace Evangelical Society

Postvieww · Mar 7, 2025

d taylor said:
Or another possibility these people may be resurrected and given their chance to believe in Jesus during the 1000 year rule of Jesus on earth.

There is no scripture for this!

d taylor · Mar 7, 2025

Postvieww said:
I am not playing a game here, I am trying to have a reasonable conversation with you about this topic, but you obviously can’t handle being challenged. John 11:26 obviously refers to never dying spiritually because men die physically every day both saved and unsaved. John 4:14 obviously refers to spiritual water and thirst. Those who drink from the spiritual water given by Jesus will never thirst spiritually. Have you stopped to think about how an infant who has passed away could go to heaven without making a conscious choice to follow Jesus if one’s name must be entered in the Book at salvation to enter heaven? I submit to you the POSSIBILITY that every man’s name is in the book of life from the beginning and only will be blotted out if they fail to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior. This why I believe we find NO scripture telling us that our name is entered upon salvation and there is a scripture telling us a name may be blotted out. I am sorry you seem so offended by being challenged but like I said we are on a debate forum you should be used to it by now.

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This is what the book of life is about people who have received God's life. Which is Eternal Life, Jesus never said believing in Him a person will not die physically. So not sure why you are trying to introduce physical death into these verses in John, are you grasping at straws.

It still stands that it makes no sense that unbelievers are walking around with their names in the book of life and are only taken out when they die, never have believed in Jesus.

That would mean they are presently in possession of and have the Life of God in them. But no The Bible states people are sinners and are spiritualy dead, until they believe in Jesus for The Life of God.

Then at the very moment of belief in Jesus they cross over from death to life and they are added into the book of life.

d taylor · Mar 7, 2025

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Eternal Existence vs Eternal Life

Eternal Existence vs Eternal Life – Grace Evangelical Society

Postvieww · Mar 7, 2025

d taylor said:
Jesus has taken away the sin of the world, so babies and small children. Even young people below an age of accountability and mentally impaired people can end up being added to the book of life.

Or they can be in the book of life from the beginning one only removed if they fail to accept the sacrifice Jesus made for us.

Postvieww · Mar 7, 2025

d taylor said:
Then at the very moment of belief in Jesus they cross over from death to life and they are added into the book of life.

You are free to believe whatever you wish but you will not find your claim about being added to the book of life anywhere in scripture.

d taylor · Mar 7, 2025

Postvieww said:
Or they can be in the book of life from the beginning one only removed if they fail to accept the sacrifice Jesus made for us.

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Accepting a sacrifice does not give a person God's free gift of Eternal Life. Is only receive by believing in Jesus.

d taylor · Mar 7, 2025

Postvieww said:
You are free to believe whatever you wish but you will not find your claim about being added to the book of life anywhere in scripture.

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John 5:24 does not need to say people are added at the moment of belief in Jesus. That is some that should be obvious to any believer if they have been taught properly about God's free gift of Eternal Life.

It is obvious crossing over from death to life. Is the same as being added to the book of life.

Postvieww · Mar 9, 2025

d taylor said:
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John 5:24 does not need to say people are added at the moment of belief in Jesus. That is some that should be obvious to any believer if they have been taught properly about God's free gift of Eternal Life.

It is obvious crossing over from death to life. Is the same as being added to the book of life.

Got it loud and clear what you believe John 5:24 means. So tell what the scripture below means.
Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blotout his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Rapture Bound · Mar 9, 2025

Have you overcome the world? :

Rev 3:5, [a]"He who overcomes shall thus be arrayed in white garments; and I will in no wise blot his name out of the book of life, and I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels."

Many who hold to the "LOS" position [Loss Of Salvation for some born again believers] assert that the latter end of this verse implies or intimates that there will be some genuine believers that will have their names blotted out of the book of life.

However, is this what the scriptures actually tell us? ... the evidence certainly appears to say otherwise. All those who have placed their faith in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ [past tense] will in no wise have their names blotted out of the book of life.

Support for my truth claim is plainly seen in the following verses :

1 John 5:4-5, "For whoever has been born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world: our faith...

5 Who is the one who overcomes the world, but the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?"

Here, in verse 4, it is plainly stated that whoever *has been* born of God overcomes the world." All those whoever] has born of God [past tense] overcomes the world. There is absolutely no ambiguity here whatsoever ... it is clear-cut. Therefore, the phrase in Rev. 3 "and I will in no wise blot his name out of the book of life, and I will confess his name before my Father" must be interpreted in the full context of the verse, that is, in the light of the truth that preceded it.

And what does it mean to be "born of God"? ... it is to be born again, to be regenerated by God the Holy Spirit and made a new creation in Jesus Christ. All those who have been born of God have been declared righteous in God's sight, they have been justified [i.e. - have experienced full forgiveness and acceptance into the family of God].

Therefore, all those who have been born again [past tense] possess a precious promise from Jesus that their names *will not* [will never] have their names blotted out of the book of life [they will forever possess a justified standing before God]!!! - Hallelujah! - what unspeakable riches those in this category possess!!

There are 3 basic positions concerning the possibility of a genuine believer forfeiting/losing their salvation/eternal life :

The 5-point Arminian = "the can/will" perspective [Christians can lose it, and some will lose it].

The 5- point Calvinist = "the can't/won't" perspective [Christians can't lose it, and won't lose it].

The Molinist = "the can/won't" perspective [Christians can lose it, and won't lose it].

Coming from the Molinist perspective, let me clear up a common misunderstanding of my position ... It certainly would be contradictory to say “You can lose your salvation, but you can’t.” However, it certainly is not contradictory to say “You can lose your salvation, but you won’t.” The former statement makes two mutually exclusive modal statements, while the latter makes a modal statement followed by a de facto statement.

De facto means "in fact" or "in reality". It's often used to describe something that exists in practice, even if it's not officially recognized or legal. Modal statements use modal verbs to express possibility, likelihood, ability, permission, requests, offers, suggestions, and advice.

So, in the end, we discover what is actually the most important question in any person’s life. It is *not* "Will I actually forfeit [lose] my salvation/eternal life?”, but *rather* “Have I actually been born-gain?", that is, am I actually a new creation in Christ?” [John 3:3-8; Titus 3:5-7; 2 Corinthians 5:17].

"He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit" - Titus 3:5

d taylor · Mar 9, 2025

Postvieww said:
Got it loud and clear what you believe John 5:24 means. So tell what the scripture below means.
Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blotout his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

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First off Revelation 3:5 is addressed to believers and not to people in general.

So Jesus is saying to the believers that overcometh they will be clothed in white raiment and Jesus will not blotout his name from the book of life.

It assurance from Jesus that believers names will not be blotouted out of the book of life.

Here is a little more study on this verse in this article.
Being Erased from the Book of Life? – Revelation 3:5 – Grace Evangelical Society

Postvieww · Mar 9, 2025

d taylor said:
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Accepting a sacrifice does not give a person God's free gift of Eternal Life. Is only receive by believing in Jesus.

You are into word games! Accepting it is believing Jesus did for us.
John 12:48
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. Tell us what is the opposite of reject? Would that just maybe be accept?

d taylor · Mar 9, 2025

Postvieww said:
You are into word games! Accepting it is believing Jesus did for us.
John 12:48
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. Tell us what is the opposite of reject? Would that just maybe be accept?

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The object of the rejection is Jesus and not accepting a sacrifice. Which was my point that The Bible is clear on this. That it is belief in (the person) Jesus that gives a person Eternal Life and not the accomplishments Jesus did. The accomplishment Jesus did His death and resurrection. Should point a person to say or come to think and believe, Jesus is who He says He is The Son of God/The Messiah, the resurrection and the life

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