Homan, AOC clash over webinar to help immigrants 'evade' ICE raids: 'I thought I educated her'

A2SG · Feb 25, 2025

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
That is laughable. Biden CLEARLY was selling it off before Trump took office. You can and have spun it any which way you want to. They were unused sections...unused because Biden stopped building the border wall as soon as he got into office, so it sat there for 4 years.

Nope.

Truth Be Told: Parts of border wall aren't being sold to spite Trump

Parts meant to build the border wall aren't being sold to spite President-elect Donald Trump. Here's what to know.

www.wptv.com

From that story:

Then in 2023, Congress passed legislation directing the Department of Defense to "use, transfer, or donate" the supplies.

A defense official tells Scripps News the department gave away 60% of the material to other federal departments and to the state governments of California and Texas. The states were invited to take as much as they wanted, the official said.

Rather than continuing to pay to store the rest, the official said the Defense Department sold the items to the online auction site Gov Planet, where anyone could bid for the parts.

Trump says the government should have kept it all to save costs since he plans to resume building the wall.

"If we don't have it, we're going to have to rebuild it and it will cost double what it cost years ago," Trump said.

But Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, who is also a Trump supporter, says the remaining pieces of the wall weren't of much use, posting on X that "...the material for sale was mostly junk."

The legislation in question:

https://www.congress.gov/118/plaws/publ31/PLAW-118publ31.pdf

And, because it's over 900 pages long, the specific passage:

SEC. 2890. PLAN FOR USE OF EXCESS CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS ON SOUTHWEST BORDER.

(a) PLAN.—Not later than 75 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Defense shall submit to Congress a plan to use, transfer, or donate to States on the southern border of the United States all covered materials, with prioritization given to the refurbishment and or maintenance of ports of entry along the southwest border and construction projects aimed at stopping illicit human and vehicle traffic along the border of the United States with Mexico.

(b) ELEMENTS.—The plan required by subsection (a) shall include the following:

(1) A detailed proposal for the disposition of such covered materials, including a timeline for disposition and the authorities under which such disposition shall occur.

(2) An assessment of the condition of such materials being stored, including (if applicable) a description of materials that have depreciated in value, become damaged, or been lost. [/I]

-- A2SG, figured it was time the facts were presented here....

Yeshua HaDerekh · Feb 26, 2025

A2SG said:
Nope.

Truth Be Told: Parts of border wall aren't being sold to spite Trump

Parts meant to build the border wall aren't being sold to spite President-elect Donald Trump. Here's what to know.

www.wptv.com

From that story:

Then in 2023, Congress passed legislation directing the Department of Defense to "use, transfer, or donate" the supplies.

A defense official tells Scripps News the department gave away 60% of the material to other federal departments and to the state governments of California and Texas. The states were invited to take as much as they wanted, the official said.

Rather than continuing to pay to store the rest, the official said the Defense Department sold the items to the online auction site Gov Planet, where anyone could bid for the parts.

Trump says the government should have kept it all to save costs since he plans to resume building the wall.

"If we don't have it, we're going to have to rebuild it and it will cost double what it cost years ago," Trump said.

But Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, who is also a Trump supporter, says the remaining pieces of the wall weren't of much use, posting on X that "...the material for sale was mostly junk."

The legislation in question:

https://www.congress.gov/118/plaws/publ31/PLAW-118publ31.pdf

And, because it's over 900 pages long, the specific passage:

SEC. 2890. PLAN FOR USE OF EXCESS CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS ON SOUTHWEST BORDER.

(a) PLAN.—Not later than 75 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Defense shall submit to Congress a plan to use, transfer, or donate to States on the southern border of the United States all covered materials, with prioritization given to the refurbishment and or maintenance of ports of entry along the southwest border and construction projects aimed at stopping illicit human and vehicle traffic along the border of the United States with Mexico.

(b) ELEMENTS.—The plan required by subsection (a) shall include the following:

(1) A detailed proposal for the disposition of such covered materials, including a timeline for disposition and the authorities under which such disposition shall occur.

(2) An assessment of the condition of such materials being stored, including (if applicable) a description of materials that have depreciated in value, become damaged, or been lost. [/I]

-- A2SG, figured it was time the facts were presented here....

and so he waited and waited...until right before Trump took office....lol...ok

A2SG · Feb 26, 2025

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
and so he waited and waited...until right before Trump took office....lol...ok

I honestly don't know the exact date that the Defense Dept. started to comply with the law. They had until March 6, 2024 according to the legislation, but it's certainly possible they started on or near that date, and completion of the task took longer. Though how long it took between their actions and when it was reported in the press, I can't say.

Do you have exact dates for exactly who did exactly what? Your point does hinge on the exact timing, after all.

Further...you may want to show exactly what role President Biden himself played in all this, and document that, of course. Otherwise, one might think you're trying to blame something on President Biden without any proof, and that isn't the case.

Is it?

-- A2SG, inquiring minds want to know.....

Yeshua HaDerekh · Feb 26, 2025

A2SG said:
I honestly don't know the exact date that the Defense Dept. started to comply with the law. They had until March 6, 2024 according to the legislation, but it's certainly possible they started on or near that date, and completion of the task took longer. Though how long it took between their actions and when it was reported in the press, I can't say.

Do you have exact dates for exactly who did exactly what? Your point does hinge on the exact timing, after all.

There were auctions online by government and military surplus company GovPlanet, which moved the materials to Arizona in December and listed them for auction on its website selling sections for pennies on the dollar. The Biden administration sold the sections to GovPlanet in June of 2024. TX AG Paxton put a stop to that in December 2024.

A2SG · Feb 26, 2025

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
There were auctions online by the Biden administration selling sections for pennies on the dollar.

Yep, that was mentioned in the article I posted:

A defense official tells Scripps News the department gave away 60% of the material to other federal departments and to the state governments of California and Texas. The states were invited to take as much as they wanted, the official said.

Rather than continuing to pay to store the rest, the official said the Defense Department sold the items to the online auction site Gov Planet, where anyone could bid for the parts.

They didn't specify who bought what or what was paid for it, though.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
TX AG Paxton put a stop to that.

Not sure why. Again, from the same article:

But Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, who is also a Trump supporter, says the remaining pieces of the wall weren't of much use, posting on X that "...the material for sale was mostly junk."

At least, it seems Texas was able to get the preferable stuff first, before the rest of it went up for auction by the time AG Paxton put a stop to it. I wonder what they did with it?

I guess Texas is gonna Texas.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
All happening right after the election in December 2024. You CAN look it up yourself...but you already knew that.

I posted as much detail as I could. I couldn't find an exact timeline or precise dates when any of this happened, though. If you know of these dates, and can point me to where they are documented and detailed, that'd be swell.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
So March...December was like 9 months...hmmm...yes, inquiring minds DO want to know why they waited...????

Again, unless you can find a precise timeline for specific events, I can't say. My guess is the press didn't find out about it right away, and the news reports came well after the actual events, but if you have a way to determine exactly which events happened on which date, feel free to provide that.

But, in the end, as noted, all of this happened as a result of specific legislation passed by congress. The main sponsor of the bill was Rep. Mike Rogers (R-AL), so if you want to blame someone for it, feel free to blame him. The Defense Dept. was only following the law congress passed.

-- A2SG, though, blaming any of this specifically on President Biden himself seems a bit of a stretch.....

Yeshua HaDerekh · Feb 26, 2025

A2SG said:
I posted as much detail as I could. I couldn't find an exact timeline or precise dates when any of this happened, though. If you know of these dates, and can point me to where they are documented and detailed, that'd be swell.

There were auctions online by government and military surplus company GovPlanet, which moved the materials to Arizona in December and listed them for auction on its website selling sections for pennies on the dollar. The Biden administration sold the sections to GovPlanet in June of 2024. So I think the perception was that Biden was trying to pull a fast one and that may not have been totally accurate...

A2SG · Feb 26, 2025

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
There were auctions online by government and military surplus company GovPlanet, which moved the materials to Arizona in December and listed them for auction on its website selling sections for pennies on the dollar. The Biden administration sold the sections to GovPlanet in June of 2024.

Okay. All of that is consistent with the story I posted originally, though you did not provide documentation to confirm the dates or other details you've claimed. But, I'll take you at your word on those, and simply say that all of this is in compliance with the law congress passed.

What, exactly, is the problem?

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
So I think the perception was that Biden was trying to pull a fast one and that may not have been totally accurate...

Yup, sounds like.

-- A2SG, looks like the only thing going on here is that Trump didn't like a law that was passed already....not the first time that happened....

Gene2memE · Feb 26, 2025

FenderTL5 said:
Sometimes I wonder if machine-gun pillboxes would satisfy the MAGA contingent. (yes that is hyperbole... somewhat).

Given that a presidential advisor once advocated drone strikes on refugee boats, it's not outlandish and in the slightest.

Postvieww · Feb 26, 2025

Fantine said:
Isn't anyone getting tired of government by threats and intimidation. My town is doing the same thing, and churches are hosting them. An immigrant advocacy group sets up the "know your rights" workshops.
Notaries are there to witness temporary guardian papers so their children won't get dumped in foster care if they encounter ICE.
We raised $1500 so immigration lawyers could do consults.
None of that is against the law.
If Homan is looking for lawbreakers he should check his own party.

All who entered this country illegally are lawbreakers with only the right to be deported. If they want rights come legally.

Pommer · Feb 26, 2025

Postvieww said:
All who entered this country illegally are lawbreakers with only the right to be deported. If they want rights come legally.

Maybe Congress could take up the mantle and pass laws that streamlined the process?

Belk · Feb 26, 2025

Postvieww said:
All who entered this country illegally are lawbreakers with only the right to be deported. If they want rights come legally.

Incorrect. Being in the country without authorization is considered a civil infraction, not a breaking of the law. Rights are not reserved for citizens in all (or most) cases.

No. The act of being present in the United States in violation of the immigration laws is not,
standing alone, a crime. While federal immigration law does criminalize some actions that
may be
related to undocumented presence in the United States, undocumented presence
alone is not a violation of federal criminal law. Thus, many believe that the term “illegal
alien,” which may suggest a criminal violation, is inaccurate or misleading.

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/field_document/FINAL_criminalizing_undocumented_immigrants_issue_brief_PUBLIC_VERSION.pdf

Postvieww · Feb 26, 2025

Belk said:
Incorrect. Being in the country without authorization is considered a civil infraction, not a breaking of the law. Rights are not reserved for citizens in all (or most) cases.

No. The act of being present in the United States in violation of the immigration laws is not,
standing alone, a crime. While federal immigration law does criminalize some actions that
may be
related to undocumented presence in the United States, undocumented presence
alone is not a violation of federal criminal law. Thus, many believe that the term “illegal
alien,” which may suggest a criminal violation, is inaccurate or misleading.

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/field_document/FINAL_criminalizing_undocumented_immigrants_issue_brief_PUBLIC_VERSION.pdf

This is from a link in your post:(a)Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United Statesat any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. Anything that will put you in prison is a crime in the real world.

Belk · Feb 26, 2025

Postvieww said:
This is from a link in your post:(a)Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United Statesat any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. Anything that will put you in prison is a crime in the real world.

This does not contradict the information I posted.

Postvieww · Feb 26, 2025

Belk said:
This does not contradict the information I posted.

Belk said:
Incorrect. Being in the country without authorization is considered a civil infraction, not a breaking of the law. Rights are not reserved for citizens in all (or most) cases.

Well you are playing words games. I called them criminals which by definition means a law breaker. You said my post was incorrect. So you can explain how a person breaking the law which can land you in prison does not make one a criminal. IMHO your post was liberal double speak.

Belk · Feb 26, 2025

Postvieww said:
We you are playing words games. I called them criminals which by definition means a law breaker. You said my post was incorrect. So you can explain how a person breaking the law which can land you in prison does not make one a criminal. IMHO your post was liberal double speak.

Being in the country without authorization does not result in you going to jail. It is called out in the section I quoted.

The act of being present in the United States in violation of the immigration laws is not, standing alone, a crime

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