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OK, so I've posted about feeling abnormal as a Christian man here before, but the other day, something happened that made my insecurities worse. See, for the time being, I live with my grandmother and great-aunt. Two days ago, my grandmother was driving me home from work, and it recently snowed. Our driveway had an inch or less of snow and ice on it, so I had to shovel. I also shovel our next-door neighbor's driveway.


Now, when we got in our driveway, my grandmother said "Good thing we got a MAN at the house!" And my reaction is what prompted me to make this threat. I didn't say anything, but I knew that she was praising me for physical strength (which I don't have much of, even though I'm still stronger than her). And do you know how I reacted to that? I cringed. I cringed. At the thought of being acknowledged for a trait men have always been appreciated for.


I've said in a previous post that as a man, I don't have the Hero Instinct--a desire that men have to feel strong, competent, and needed. A lot of men would have loved the complement I had received. But I did not. And honestly, my tastes in women reflect this issue. I'm attracted to physically strong women--especially if they're stronger than me, I'm a weak male--and while it's not a requirement, I find tallness (being 5'7+) more attractive than shortness. Basically, the less a woman needs me physically, the more attracted I am to her. If she physically barely needs me or doesn't need me at all, yeah, I will be crushing.


From an emotional standpoint, bravery (lacking fear entirely) and courage (acting despite feeling fear) also get my attention. If a woman can do something difficult whether she's afraid or not, that's gonna get my attention. My grandmother, great-aunt, mother--they appreciate me grabbing things they can't reach (I'm 5'6, so the tallest, but still short for a man), shoveling snow for them, moving things for them, but hearing things like "I need your height!", or "you're my strong guy!", does absolutely nothing for me. I hated that my grandmother recognized my physical strength--which, again, isn't very much. Afterwards, when I was thanked for cleaning and salting the driveways by her and my great-aunt, I felt no satisfaction at all.


As a man, I don't have that drive to be a knight in shining armor, so I'm into women who can be that knight for me. Going for a spouse who's strong and capable enough to not need me that much physically seems like the easiest solution. As a Christian, I'm called to be courageous, and a light to the world. I know that. But I also know that masculine drive to be a protector, hero, handyman--and pride in those abilities--is not inside me. It's not in my nature. And the fact that I reacted to my grandmother's remark ("Good thing we got a man at the house!") with disgust concerns me. That, to me, is a red flag. I need some solid advice about my situation and my mentality.
 

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OK, so I've posted about feeling abnormal as a Christian man here before, but the other day, something happened that made my insecurities worse. See, for the time being, I live with my grandmother and great-aunt. Two days ago, my grandmother was driving me home from work, and it recently snowed. Our driveway had an inch or less of snow and ice on it, so I had to shovel. I also shovel our next-door neighbor's driveway.


Now, when we got in our driveway, my grandmother said "Good thing we got a MAN at the house!" And my reaction is what prompted me to make this threat. I didn't say anything, but I knew that she was praising me for physical strength (which I don't have much of, even though I'm still stronger than her). And do you know how I reacted to that? I cringed. I cringed. At the thought of being acknowledged for a trait men have always been appreciated for.


I've said in a previous post that as a man, I don't have the Hero Instinct--a desire that men have to feel strong, competent, and needed. A lot of men would have loved the complement I had received. But I did not. And honestly, my tastes in women reflect this issue. I'm attracted to physically strong women--especially if they're stronger than me, I'm a weak male--and while it's not a requirement, I find tallness (being 5'7+) more attractive than shortness. Basically, the less a woman needs me physically, the more attracted I am to her. If she physically barely needs me or doesn't need me at all, yeah, I will be crushing.


From an emotional standpoint, bravery (lacking fear entirely) and courage (acting despite feeling fear) also get my attention. If a woman can do something difficult whether she's afraid or not, that's gonna get my attention. My grandmother, great-aunt, mother--they appreciate me grabbing things they can't reach (I'm 5'6, so the tallest, but still short for a man), shoveling snow for them, moving things for them, but hearing things like "I need your height!", or "you're my strong guy!", does absolutely nothing for me. I hated that my grandmother recognized my physical strength--which, again, isn't very much. Afterwards, when I was thanked for cleaning and salting the driveways by her and my great-aunt, I felt no satisfaction at all.


As a man, I don't have that drive to be a knight in shining armor, so I'm into women who can be that knight for me. Going for a spouse who's strong and capable enough to not need me that much physically seems like the easiest solution. As a Christian, I'm called to be courageous, and a light to the world. I know that. But I also know that masculine drive to be a protector, hero, handyman--and pride in those abilities--is not inside me. It's not in my nature. And the fact that I reacted to my grandmother's remark ("Good thing we got a man at the house!") with disgust concerns me. That, to me, is a red flag. I need some solid advice about my situation and my mentality.
Maybe you should try to work it out with a therapist. It almost seems your resent your masculinity and the responsibilities you seem to think it holds. Someone complimenting you for your help when you are obviously stronger than her (whether you like it or not), should not make you cringe. You should seek out professional help. I don’t think internet advise is going to cut it.
 
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I don’t think internet advise is going to cut it.

There's nothing wrong with seeking Internet advice. I agree that the best advice comes from people who know you personally, particularly over a long period of time. But I seek Internet advice as a SUPPLEMENT to the advice I seek from people who I know can advise me effectively, based on their knowledge of me as a person. Nothing wrong with getting an impression from a stranger or strangers, as long as the advice is kept in context.
 
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There's nothing wrong with seeking Internet advice. I agree that the best advice comes from people who know you personally, particularly over a long period of time. But I seek Internet advice as a SUPPLEMENT to the advice I seek from people who I know can advise me effectively, based on their knowledge of me as a person. Nothing wrong with getting an impression from a stranger or strangers, as long as the advice is kept in context.
I gave my impression. He needs medical help.
 
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Rising Sun, I don't think you should feel ashamed of what you've shared here. I think there's a lot of ambiguity in how people feel about their gender roles, and that is one of the core reasons why there has been such confusion in the last fifteen years. People feel conflicted, and the enemy feeds them with the lie that they were really meant to be something else, when in reality such disturbing feelings just need to be worked out with someone you trust, who will hopefully lovingly guide you to accept yourself and to fight for change within reason.

I admit, if a female in my house said about me, "glad we have a MAN in the house" after something I did, I would feel proud and appreciated. But the fact that you don't is not a sin. Maybe you do have some confusion about your identity and whether it's a good thing or not. I would not propose that you look for a Christian woman who can be the knight in shining armor for you. Most Christian women are not built this way. They seek leadership and strength from Christian men, and you would be hard pressed to find a female who is willing to take the leadership role and let you be the supporter. Trust me, I haven't found many Christian women like this.

It sounds like you have some work to do, like we all do. But it's important to address this issue without the fear, condemnation, and guilt you seem to be harboring over it, as these factors will make working through it all the more difficult.

God has been showing me lately that most of what we worry and fret about is not a big deal. We all have hang-ups, thoughts and desires we are terrified of, feelings that we are going to be sent to hell, etc. There is very little that we experience as humans that can't be classified as normal. Mass murder would be an exception but even a murderer can get help. Come to a position of prayer before God and tell him how you feel. Share with him your heart. Get professional help as your resources and time allow. And congratulations for actually reaching out to the Internet for support. There are so many things I have struggled with and that millions of people struggle with that they will never share with a soul, and we are as sick as our secrets. As you bring these issues which you are ashamed of to light, you will realize they are not as big a deal as they seem, and you may find a solution.
 
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I admit, if a female in my house said about me, "glad we have a MAN in the house" after something I did, I would feel proud and appreciated. But the fact that you don't is not a sin. Maybe you do have some confusion about your identity and whether it's a good thing or not. I would not propose that you look for a Christian woman who can be the knight in shining armor for you.

I assume that apart from prayer, i should also make efforts to be more masculine.
 
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Because the man has authority over the wife. The wife represents the church because the church is the bride of Christ. It's the best answer I can give.
And you believe that will cause me to develop the hero instinct?

I'm egalitarian, by the way.
 
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And you believe that will cause me to develop the hero instinct?

I'm egalitarian, by the way.
I'm sorta egalitarian myself. You need to ask someone more knowledgeable about the role of husbands and wives. My opinion is that the wife obeys her husband but he sees her as an equal. But I'm no teacher. As far as developing instinct goes, maybe you should pray. That's what I would do.
 
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I'm sorta egalitarian myself. You need to ask someone more knowledgeable about the role of husbands and wives. My opinion is that the wife obeys her husband but he sees her as an equal. But I'm no teacher. As far as developing instinct goes, maybe you should pray. That's what I would do.

And I assume going for a spouse who's more physically capable than me and more of a hero isn't a good idea, either.
 
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And I assume going for a spouse who's more physically capable than me and more of a hero isn't a good idea, either.
It's not about physical strength and capabilities. It's a simple matter of the husbands role.
 
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Nobody thought of their gender before all this trans non sense, you were dealt a gender at birth, and you lived with that.
Please don't be brainwashed by this harmful and very evil ideology.
Except I'm not trans. But the LGBT crowd might say I'm an "egg" (someone who is trans but doesn't realize it), going by my type and lack of masculine pride (no Hero Instinct).
 
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I assume that apart from prayer, i should also make efforts to be more masculine.
Not necessarily. Jesus said blessed are the meek. Many men aren't heros. They lead quite simple lives. And another way of looking at things is you're being submissive in shoveling snow and getting things for others. It's a two way street. On one hand it can be viewed as being gallant, and on the other it could be viewed as being servile.
 
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Except I'm not trans. But the LGBT crowd might say I'm an "egg" (someone who is trans but doesn't realize it), going by my type and lack of masculine pride (no Hero Instinct).
A hero is a man who obeys and teaches his children Jesus commandments. He works to provide for them. He doesn't need to be tough because fighting isn't our way. You need to be tough spiritually, but so do women I guess. But people should protect their family as best they can. Right?
 
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Except I'm not trans. But the LGBT crowd might say I'm an "egg" (someone who is trans but doesn't realize it), going by my type and lack of masculine pride (no Hero Instinct).
I get where you're coming from. But you're going by a stereotype. Some men are wimps. I can act and look tough, but if push came to shove, I'd probably wimp out.
 
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